VABills Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 "Patrick Hart, who was in the Army 9½ years and served nearly a year in Kuwait in 2003." Just curious...How many of you guys claiming this guy is a kitty have served overseas in the military for a year or have even been in the military? I don't approve of his actions, but I do understand why he did what he did. 864219[/snapback] Me, and I was stationed temporarily in two hot zones while in. And he is a coward and traitor.
USMCBillsFan Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 "Patrick Hart, who was in the Army 9½ years and served nearly a year in Kuwait in 2003." Just curious...How many of you guys claiming this guy is a kitty have served overseas in the military for a year or have even been in the military? I don't approve of his actions, but I do understand why he did what he did. 864219[/snapback] Where is the "raise your hand smilie"? My deployment track record is pretty clear on this board and yes he is a coward. First, not to down play anyone who has served in Kuwait, but it's not exactly a "hotbed of enemy activity". So for him to cry about that, let him go spend some time in Iraq and then he'll have something to B word and whine about.
Fan in San Diego Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 This seems bogus. Canada and the USA have extradition agreements. The US could request to have him sent back to the States. Something's fishy in Amsterdam.
IDBillzFan Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Just curious...How many of you guys claiming this guy is a kitty have served overseas in the military for a year or have even been in the military?864219[/snapback] You're asking the wrong question. The correct question to ask is "How many of you guys claiming this guy is a kitty have made a commitment to serve in the military only to abandon your fellow soldiers, wife and child to go running home -- with absolutely no notice to anyone but your mommy -- because you couldn't keep your commitment?" That's where my issue is. I keep my commitments to my family and my country so yes, he's a !@#$ing coward kitty piece of schit.
WWVaBeach Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 "Patrick Hart, who was in the Army 9½ years and served nearly a year in Kuwait in 2003." Just curious...How many of you guys claiming this guy is a kitty have served overseas in the military for a year or have even been in the military? I don't approve of his actions, but I do understand why he did what he did. 864219[/snapback] 20+ years here.
CoachChuckDickerson Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 You're asking the wrong question. The correct question to ask is "How many of you guys claiming this guy is a kitty have made a commitment to serve in the military only to abandon your fellow soldiers, wife and child to go running home -- with absolutely no notice to anyone but your mommy -- because you couldn't keep your commitment?" That's where my issue is. I keep my commitments to my family and my country so yes, he's a !@#$ing coward kitty piece of schit. 864342[/snapback] I highly doubt he did not inform his wife what was going on and "abandon" his child. She was military as well and if she would have admitted to knowledge of him going awol there would have been repercussions for her. Just my 2 cents.
tennesseeboy Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Where is the "raise your hand smilie"? My deployment track record is pretty clear on this board and yes he is a coward. First, not to down play anyone who has served in Kuwait, but it's not exactly a "hotbed of enemy activity". So for him to cry about that, let him go spend some time in Iraq and then he'll have something to B word and whine about. 864268[/snapback] Thank you for your service....actually...I'm not all that excited about your service, but I do deeply appreciate your BOTD!
Chilly Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 You're asking the wrong question. The correct question to ask is "How many of you guys claiming this guy is a kitty have made a commitment to serve in the military only to abandon your fellow soldiers, wife and child to go running home -- with absolutely no notice to anyone but your mommy -- because you couldn't keep your commitment?" That's where my issue is. I keep my commitments to my family and my country so yes, he's a !@#$ing coward kitty piece of schit. 864342[/snapback] I dunno, I don't get the feeling that she didn't know what was going on. They tried to frame it that way by making her "unexpecting", but somehow I doubt that was the case. She called the army in order to tell them he wouldn't be coming back, and she left as well to join him within a month of his leaving. While I'm not trying to defend the guy for going AWOL, I don't get the impression that his wife had no idea what he was doing. I suspect that she knew what his intentions were. It sure does get more attention for the media though if they frame it in a way that has him just abandoning everything to escape a war.
IDBillzFan Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 I dunno, I don't get the feeling that she didn't know what was going on.864425[/snapback] I can only go by what they're telling the press. Back at Fort Campbell, an unsuspecting Jill Hart picked up the phone at the house she had decorated in red, white and blue. Her husband of five years said he was not coming home.I can understand them acting naive for the sake of protecting the wife, but I don't care. It's irresponsible and self-serving. If the guy wants to break the law, fine. He'll have to pay the consequences. But for the love of god, take off the Bills stuff. We Bills fans have a bad enough rap as it is. Promoting the fact that we're cowardly, self-absorbed pussies doesn't help.
Chilly Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 I can understand them acting naive for the sake of protecting the wife, but I don't care. It's irresponsible and self-serving. If the guy wants to break the law, fine. He'll have to pay the consequences. But for the love of god, take off the Bills stuff. We Bills fans have a bad enough rap as it is. Promoting the fact that we're cowardly, self-absorbed pussies doesn't help. 864437[/snapback] Yup. Like I said in the last post, I'm not trying to defend what the guy did, just found something that I thought was a bit inconsistent.
ieatcrayonz Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 That guy can go to Hell as far as I'm concerned. Oh, wait.........That guy can stay in Hell as far as I'm concerned.
TheZone78 Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 If you want to get technical, there is such a way... 864240[/snapback] Yes, turning the desert to glass would be one....you smartass you
HurlyBurly51 Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 This guy is a coward, a cheat and a traitor. 60 years ago, he'd have gotten the firing squad. 864229[/snapback] Nothing more needs to be said. Hope he gets what he's got coming to him.
don_of_manhattan Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-12-11-awol_x.htm 864089[/snapback] I feel worst for his wife, because he should have shared his intentions with her - you can't just leave her to fend for your child like that. While I don't believe in this mission in any way, I don't think deserting is the way to go. I think this issue is a lot more complicated that people on this board seem to understand and I also think that more soldiers should question why they are being used as target practice for a mission that, by definition, was never going to happen. The Iraqis don't really care about democracy and if they did, they should have risen up - it wasn't worth the life of our brave soldiers. We should have learned that nation building is not a productive exercise and that we cannot create a reality to fit our own agendas after the Vietnam debacle - some conflicts are simply not worth being involved in. Has anyone ever heard of Saigon? Oh, I forgot, it is now called Ho Chi Minh City - and we sacrificed 57,000 lives for that.
bills_fan Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Thank you for your service....actually...I'm not all that excited about your service, but I do deeply appreciate your BOTD! 864408[/snapback] Tenny, you can say none of your damn business and I won't be offended. And I ask out of curiosity not to pick a fight. But considering your distinguished service record, why would you not be excited about USMC's service?
jester43 Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Thats what I never got, why Americans always go after the Canadians. We don't want your garbage either. Some Hippy group is taking these cowards in, the government is refusing to give them citizenship. We are also busy helping trying to clean up your mess in Afaganistan that you dropped to go into Iraq 864212[/snapback] i'm with you on this one. it's weird.
VABills Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Tenny, you can say none of your damn business and I won't be offended. And I ask out of curiosity not to pick a fight. But considering your distinguished service record, why would you not be excited about USMC's service? 864723[/snapback] He doesn't like Marines because they make him feel inferior.
Old German Woman Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Ja... Dis guy here is a real kitty. He needs to do his duty to spread freedom and democracy through killing, torture, rape and massacre. I'm embarassed that he's a Bills fan... he needs to stop thinking for himself and do what our God-Appointed leader has directed him to do. Lord knows he'd never consider going AWOL.
jarthur31 Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 Everytime you blow up one of those extremists you create dozens more. I don't mean to say all Middle Eastern people are like this, obviously there are some victims over there and it's a shame. I don't think it's a war that is winnable. I wish there was a way that you could push a button and eliminate all those muslim extremists.......but alas....... 864220[/snapback] Your first comment doesn't make sense. If you kill one how do 10 replace him then? They are all like that!!! Don't get confused buddy. They don't believe Israel has the right to exist. Any God fearing person can tell you that is a lie! The Holy Land belongs to the Jews alone. Nuking them may be an option. The world is just waiting for Iran to launch first.
jarthur31 Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 I feel worst for his wife, because he should have shared his intentions with her - you can't just leave her to fend for your child like that. While I don't believe in this mission in any way, I don't think deserting is the way to go. I think this issue is a lot more complicated that people on this board seem to understand and I also think that more soldiers should question why they are being used as target practice for a mission that, by definition, was never going to happen. The Iraqis don't really care about democracy and if they did, they should have risen up - it wasn't worth the life of our brave soldiers. We should have learned that nation building is not a productive exercise and that we cannot create a reality to fit our own agendas after the Vietnam debacle - some conflicts are simply not worth being involved in. Has anyone ever heard of Saigon? Oh, I forgot, it is now called Ho Chi Minh City - and we sacrificed 57,000 lives for that. 864578[/snapback] Dying for democracy is never an idle endeavor. People died for all the right reasons. We failed because nobody in the top circles had a clue what to do.
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