BoondckCL Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 The guy was our !@#$ing third round pick and saw some action on Sunday. What's going on with you people?
Simon Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 The guy was our !@#$ing third round pick and saw some action on Sunday. What's going on with you people? 863908[/snapback] So how did he do?
BoondckCL Posted December 12, 2006 Author Posted December 12, 2006 So how did he do? 863911[/snapback] Â I heard his name called a couple of times on gang tackles, and he ran up to Fletcher after he made the interception. That's about it.
Simon Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 I heard his name called a couple of times on gang tackles, and he ran up to Fletcher after he made the interception. That's about it. 863913[/snapback] Â Then I can't believe nobody's talking about him. What the hell is going on with us?
BoondckCL Posted December 12, 2006 Author Posted December 12, 2006 Then I can't believe nobody's talking about him. What the hell is going on with us? 863918[/snapback] Â I don't know, we certainly made time to talk about Kiwaukee Thomas, but not our third round pick? Â I was wondering if anybody saw him in coverage. Maybe somebody saw a reason in his play that he hasn't had any action until now. Who knows.
Whitner20 Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 He tipped the ball on Clement's INT.... i thought he played a very well game. He reminds me alot of Antoine Winfield. Â I'm glad he is able to play again after his personal issues, and hopefully he learns alot in the next 3 games so he can be that much more of a compete player next season. Great pick up he was.
Dawgg Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 That was K. Thomas, not Youboty  He tipped the ball on Clement's INT.... i thought he played a very well game. He reminds me alot of Antoine Winfield. 863928[/snapback]
Pyrite Gal Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 I heard his name called a couple of times on gang tackles, and he ran up to Fletcher after he made the interception. That's about it. 863913[/snapback] Â Â Actually the Youbouty play on Sunday is most notable in that he actually was one of our starters. The surprising thing to me was that he actually was named as our starter at weakside LB according to the NFL Notebook. My recollection was that the TV announcers said it was Ellison starting in Cowell's place, but given that the official gamenotes credit Toubouty with one of hid assisted tackles early in the game and Ellison is not listed as coming in to substitute until the game was well underway, I think this is likely once again a case of the media being wrong about a fairly fundamental point. Â Why would Jauron.Fewell start Youbouty seemingly out of position? Several reasons I would guess at: Â 1. This wrinkle provided Pennington, Schottenheimer and the Jets with something to think about off the bat. Should they simply go with their gameplan and attempt to beat the Bills straight up first? Should they look to pick on this rookie playing out of position that he was drafted for? If you do pick on him then how, with the TE by sending the back into the pass pattern or simply by running to the weakside? Â Whatever the Jets did, did not work the first couple of series and Pennington seemed to have difficulty getting a rythym. The queer set up may have been a part of this. It certainly was an approach that seemed to pinch down on the Jets tendency to use short passes alot. It makes sense that the Bills in fact would use what is in essence a 4/2/5 as the weak running Jets team was primarily stopped by the front four and clamping down on the short passing game makes some sense. Â 2, The Bills actually are showing a bias toward playing 5 DBs now that they have to go with Cowell. Not only was Youbouty apparently employed as an LB, but Coy Wire re-emerged as a contributing Bill not at the safety position where he historically kept getting burned, but as a lighterweight than normal LB. This move regarding Wire actually makes sense as he has a better rep as a tackler than as a coverage guy. Playing him as an LB (particularly on the weakside where he does not draw directly the TE coverage role means that his coverage skills which are substandard for a DB actually might prove to be an asset against the poorer route running and lesser hands of many RBs versus WRs. Â 3. The move really expresses a lot of confidence in Youbouty's brain to rely on him not getting confused playing a new position and also his tackling ability as he was being counted upon to lay the lumber on the NYJ RB by committee. Â Overall, I think it really comes off as whining to complain about Youbouty's play. He started on a D which stood up to and confused the NYJ O pretty well. Oennington, usually a very good decision-maker came off as tentative and ineffective to start, drove his team to a lead with the help of a solid return and a turnover, but was simply shut down for the Bills as our pass coverage scheme led to a TD on an UNT and several sacks and pressures as Pennington did not get the ball off quickly to his first choices. Â I think Youbouty did a good job and the fact the he was a starter and logged some good minutes playing against a team who could not score sufficiently to stay in the game indicates that his unit did well and certainly was not dragged down by any faults has with the particulars of his play.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Great post, Pyrite. Thanks for the information, you really provided some insight I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
eball Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Actually the Youbouty play on Sunday is most notable in that he actually was one of our starters. The surprising thing to me was that he actually was named as our starter at weakside LB according to the NFL Notebook. My recollection was that the TV announcers said it was Ellison starting in Cowell's place, but given that the official gamenotes credit Toubouty with one of hid assisted tackles early in the game and Ellison is not listed as coming in to substitute until the game was well underway, I think this is likely once again a case of the media being wrong about a fairly fundamental point. Why would Jauron.Fewell start Youbouty seemingly out of position? Several reasons I would guess at:  1. This wrinkle provided Pennington, Schottenheimer and the Jets with something to think about off the bat. Should they simply go with their gameplan and attempt to beat the Bills straight up first? Should they look to pick on this rookie playing out of position that he was drafted for? If you do pick on him then how, with the TE by sending the back into the pass pattern or simply by running to the weakside?  Whatever the Jets did, did not work the first couple of series and Pennington seemed to have difficulty getting a rythym. The queer set up may have been a part of this. It certainly was an approach that seemed to pinch down on the Jets tendency to use short passes alot. It makes sense that the Bills in fact would use what is in essence a 4/2/5 as the weak running Jets team was primarily stopped by the front four and clamping down on the short passing game makes some sense.  2, The Bills actually are showing a bias toward playing 5 DBs now that they have to go with Cowell. Not only was Youbouty apparently employed as an LB, but Coy Wire re-emerged as a contributing Bill not at the safety position where he historically kept getting burned, but as a lighterweight than normal LB. This move regarding Wire actually makes sense as he has a better rep as a tackler than as a coverage guy. Playing him as an LB (particularly on the weakside where he does not draw directly the TE coverage role means that his coverage skills which are substandard for a DB actually might prove to be an asset against the poorer route running and lesser hands of many RBs versus WRs.  3. The move really expresses a lot of confidence in Youbouty's brain to rely on him not getting confused playing a new position and also his tackling ability as he was being counted upon to lay the lumber on the NYJ RB by committee.  Overall, I think it really comes off as whining to complain about Youbouty's play. He started on a D which stood up to and confused the NYJ O pretty well. Oennington, usually a very good decision-maker came off as tentative and ineffective to start, drove his team to a lead with the help of a solid return and a turnover, but was simply shut down for the Bills as our pass coverage scheme led to a TD on an UNT and several sacks and pressures as Pennington did not get the ball off quickly to his first choices.  I think Youbouty did a good job and the fact the he was a starter and logged some good minutes playing against a team who could not score sufficiently to stay in the game indicates that his unit did well and certainly was not dragged down by any faults has with the particulars of his play. 863938[/snapback] I don't believe it is all that complex. The Bills simply started out playing nickel, and since McGee was out of the lineup (place taken by Thomas), Youboty got the "start" as the extra DB.
ans4e64 Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Actually the Youbouty play on Sunday is most notable in that he actually was one of our starters. The surprising thing to me was that he actually was named as our starter at weakside LB according to the NFL Notebook. My recollection was that the TV announcers said it was Ellison starting in Cowell's place, but given that the official gamenotes credit Toubouty with one of hid assisted tackles early in the game and Ellison is not listed as coming in to substitute until the game was well underway, I think this is likely once again a case of the media being wrong about a fairly fundamental point. Why would Jauron.Fewell start Youbouty seemingly out of position? Several reasons I would guess at:  1. This wrinkle provided Pennington, Schottenheimer and the Jets with something to think about off the bat. Should they simply go with their gameplan and attempt to beat the Bills straight up first? Should they look to pick on this rookie playing out of position that he was drafted for? If you do pick on him then how, with the TE by sending the back into the pass pattern or simply by running to the weakside?  Whatever the Jets did, did not work the first couple of series and Pennington seemed to have difficulty getting a rythym. The queer set up may have been a part of this. It certainly was an approach that seemed to pinch down on the Jets tendency to use short passes alot. It makes sense that the Bills in fact would use what is in essence a 4/2/5 as the weak running Jets team was primarily stopped by the front four and clamping down on the short passing game makes some sense.  2, The Bills actually are showing a bias toward playing 5 DBs now that they have to go with Cowell. Not only was Youbouty apparently employed as an LB, but Coy Wire re-emerged as a contributing Bill not at the safety position where he historically kept getting burned, but as a lighterweight than normal LB. This move regarding Wire actually makes sense as he has a better rep as a tackler than as a coverage guy. Playing him as an LB (particularly on the weakside where he does not draw directly the TE coverage role means that his coverage skills which are substandard for a DB actually might prove to be an asset against the poorer route running and lesser hands of many RBs versus WRs.  3. The move really expresses a lot of confidence in Youbouty's brain to rely on him not getting confused playing a new position and also his tackling ability as he was being counted upon to lay the lumber on the NYJ RB by committee.  Overall, I think it really comes off as whining to complain about Youbouty's play. He started on a D which stood up to and confused the NYJ O pretty well. Oennington, usually a very good decision-maker came off as tentative and ineffective to start, drove his team to a lead with the help of a solid return and a turnover, but was simply shut down for the Bills as our pass coverage scheme led to a TD on an UNT and several sacks and pressures as Pennington did not get the ball off quickly to his first choices.  I think Youbouty did a good job and the fact the he was a starter and logged some good minutes playing against a team who could not score sufficiently to stay in the game indicates that his unit did well and certainly was not dragged down by any faults has with the particulars of his play. 863938[/snapback]   wow, i guess you never thought of the fact that we started the game in nickel, which takes out a LB and puts in another CB.... Youboty
Billsjunkie Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 He reminds me alot of Antoine Winfield. Â Â 863928[/snapback] Â Â Why because he wears the same number. Â I saw him a couple times in there. The camera didn't pan enough to what he was doing during the game though. But obviously thats a good thing if his name isn't being called that much. Just like Terrance Pennington. Sometimes silence from the announcers with your name is a good thing.
Dibs Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 The guy was our !@#$ing third round pick and saw some action on Sunday. What's going on with you people? 863908[/snapback] Happy now.....Everyone is talking about the him. I hope he doesn't get a complex.
pBills Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 He's played in one game so far. Played well too. From I have seen in the past, the kid has talent. Let's hope he keeps moving forward in case Clements leaves.
Nick in RaChaCha Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 The guy was our !@#$ing third round pick and saw some action on Sunday. What's going on with you people? 863908[/snapback] Â He can't play in this league! Â We should cut him
The Senator Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Then I can't believe nobody's talking about him. What the hell is going on with us? 863918[/snapback] I know. Didn't we already decide by consensus, in several threads a couple of weeks ago, that he was a total waste of a draft pick?
Beerball Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Then I can't believe nobody's talking about him. What the hell is going on with us? 863918[/snapback] It's the whole Ralph/cheap/leaving town thing. It's all the rage.
Fan in San Diego Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 I didn't know he got some playing time ! Did he do anything of note ?
Fan in San Diego Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Thanks Pyrite. Good analysis. I didn't even see his name out there.
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