Rich in Ohio Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 What an assclown kerry is. If there is any question that my point about kerry being able to literally say anything, here is another clear example. KERRY: You can't stop all outsourcing, Charlie. I've never promised that. I'm not going to, because that would be pandering. You can't. But what you can do is create a fair playing field, and that's what I'm talking about. But let me just address what the president just said. Ladies and gentlemen, that's just not true what he said. The Wall Street Journal said 96 percent of small businesses are not affected at all by my plan. And you know why he gets that count? The president got $84 from a timber company that owns, and he's counted as a small business. Dick Cheney's counted as a small business. That's how they do things. That's just not right. BUSH: I own a timber company? (LAUGHTER) That's news to me. (LAUGHTER) Need some wood? (LAUGHTER) Most small businesses are Subchapter S corps. They just are. I met Grant Milliron, Mansfield, Ohio. He's creating jobs. Most small businesses -- 70 percent of the new jobs in America are created by small businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 What an assclown kerry is. If there is any question that my point about kerry being able to literally say anything, here is another clear example.KERRY: You can't stop all outsourcing, Charlie. I've never promised that. I'm not going to, because that would be pandering. You can't. But what you can do is create a fair playing field, and that's what I'm talking about. But let me just address what the president just said. Ladies and gentlemen, that's just not true what he said. The Wall Street Journal said 96 percent of small businesses are not affected at all by my plan. And you know why he gets that count? The president got $84 from a timber company that owns, and he's counted as a small business. Dick Cheney's counted as a small business. That's how they do things. That's just not right. BUSH: I own a timber company? (LAUGHTER) That's news to me. (LAUGHTER) Need some wood? (LAUGHTER) Most small businesses are Subchapter S corps. They just are. I met Grant Milliron, Mansfield, Ohio. He's creating jobs. Most small businesses -- 70 percent of the new jobs in America are created by small businesses. 62673[/snapback] From Fox News fact check: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134939,00.html Kerry startled Bush by saying that the president is counted as a small business for tax purposes because he once earned $84 from a timber company he owns. "I own a timber company?" Bush asked. "That's news to me." Then he paused and added, "Need some wood?" That baffling exchange arises from an analysis by the Annenberg Public Policy Center's FactCheck.org debunking Bush's claims that Kerry's plans to raise taxes on the richest Americans would increase the tax burden on 900,000 small businesses. The analysis found that the Bush campaign is counting every rich person who has even $1 of outside business income as a small business owner, even if they have no employees. The analysis said even Bush qualifies under that definition because he reported $84 in income from his part-ownership of a timber enterprise on his 2001 federal tax return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 From Fox News fact check:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134939,00.html 62684[/snapback] This, unfortunately, is one of those soundbites that will go completely over the head of Joe America. Three years ago Bush reported an income of $84 for a timber company, in which he apparently had a very small piece. The question is: DOES HE OWN THAT TIMBER COMPANY TODAY? That's what Kerry implied. That's what the audience inferred. And when America first hears that Bush DID own have a small part of a Timber company...three freakin' years ago...they will roll their eyes at Kerry for such a childish stab at trying to make a ridiculous point. This is what scares me most about Kerry. He will say anything and bank on the fact that Joe America is only paying quasi-attention. Unfortunately, he's right. And so all America saw last night was a side of Bush they found humorous and endearing after he delivered his "Need some wood?" comment. God help us if Kerry gets in. This guy will make Clinton seem standup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGTEleven Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 From Fox News fact check:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134939,00.html 62684[/snapback] If Kerry/Edwards are so against sub chapter s corps why are they not trying to repeal them? Why has Edwards avoided medicare taxes for years by using this vehicle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Need some wood? 62673[/snapback] i have plenty of wood whenever i see w's daughters i noticed edwards has a cute daughter too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyLee Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 My take on that exchange was "Jesus Christ, he has so much money and so many business interests, that he doesn't even know what he owns!" "WTF!" "He doesn't identify with the average joe at all!" . He didn't deny owning a timber company, he was just surprised by it, like he wasn't sure if he does or not. And me being an average joe, that didn't sit well with me. To me it made him look like a filthy rich, pompous, ignorant man. I mean, I know what I own and what I don't own, most of working America does, right? I know Kerry is filthy rich too, but he doesn't come off as a pompous, ignorant man. Don't flame me, those were just my immediate thoughts after seeing that timber exchange, I'll refrain from saying anything about the wood between Bush's ears . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain America Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 i have plenty of wood whenever i see w's daughters i noticed edwards has a cute daughter too 62727[/snapback] noticed edwards has a cute daughter too Too much nose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 My take on that exchange was "Jesus Christ, he has so much money and so many business interests, that he doesn't even know what he owns!" "WTF!" "He doesn't identify with the average joe at all!" . He didn't deny owning a timber company, he was just surprised by it, like he wasn't sure if he does or not. And me being an average joe, that didn't sit well with me. To me it made him look like a filthy rich, pompous, ignorant man. I mean, I know what I own and what I don't own, most of working America does, right? I know Kerry is filthy rich too, but he doesn't come off as a pompous, ignorant man. Don't flame me, those were just my immediate thoughts after seeing that timber exchange, I'll refrain from saying anything about the wood between Bush's ears . 62737[/snapback] That's exactly the response Kerry was hoping for, Tracy. The truth is, people who have the same kind of financial holdings as Bush and Kerry are not always aware of precisely where their holdings lie because they generally have financial advisors handling such things. They simply do not handle their day-to-day financials in such detail because it's neither a good idea nor a plausible one. I would be willing to bet my next paycheck that we could find companies that Kerry owns, of which he has no personal knowledge. I hope you're not relying on the fact that Kerry is the average Joe America as a result of this, because he and his wife are so rich it'll make you puke. They are so far removed from mainstream America that it's downright incredulous that he would pull a stunt like this. He BANKS on the fact that Joe America is a lazy-ass couch potato non-thinking moron. Unfortunately, he's more right than wrong about that. It was just a strategy on Kerry's behalf, and he got what he wanted; folks like yourself, who have no knowledge of what it's like to have tremendous wealth, to feel like people with tremendous wealth are bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain America Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 My take on that exchange was "Jesus Christ, he has so much money and so many business interests, that he doesn't even know what he owns!" "WTF!" "He doesn't identify with the average joe at all!" . He didn't deny owning a timber company, he was just surprised by it, like he wasn't sure if he does or not. And me being an average joe, that didn't sit well with me. To me it made him look like a filthy rich, pompous, ignorant man. I mean, I know what I own and what I don't own, most of working America does, right? I know Kerry is filthy rich too, but he doesn't come off as a pompous, ignorant man. Don't flame me, those were just my immediate thoughts after seeing that timber exchange, I'll refrain from saying anything about the wood between Bush's ears . 62737[/snapback] Kerry owns four personal properties , Bush owns one.Secret Service protection for four properties or one property. I can flame any one I want ,typical liberal trying to limit free speech. Kerry is a dork .I would bet that secretly that most liberals wish they had another candidate other than Kerry but they never would admit it. Bush identifies with the average Joe better than Kerry the elitist. The election is over anyway ,,Kerry loses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Kerry was simply pointing out that most of the "small business owners" that would be affected by rolling back the tax cuts, for earners >$200,000, are ones where the "business" is $1 here, $84 there that can count as a "small business" according to Bush. Paco, methinks 2001 was the last year where access to the taxes is available. And what does it matter that Bush may not be claiming it in his returns now? He did, and 900,000 others do. His point that rolling the tax cuts back would hurt many "small businesses" was shot down. TracyLee, I got that sense too, but more like an "I could give a stevestojan what my tax guy does to scrounge every penny he can" reaction. Too bad for those other schmucks who pay their taxes honestly rather than through loopholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Kerry owns four personal properties , Bush owns one.Secret Service protection for four properties or one property.I can flame any one I want ,typical liberal trying to limit free speech. Kerry is a dork .I would bet that secretly that most liberals wish they had another candidate other than Kerry but they never would admit it. Bush identifies with the average Joe better than Kerry the elitist. The election is over anyway ,,Kerry loses 62758[/snapback] Actually, I admit it rather freely that I'd rather have had Wes Clark. But should Kerry win, he'll be pegged for Sec. of Defense, which I think would be a great place for him, as a foil to Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz, the bean-counters. What does it matter that Kerry & wife have four properties? My parents have three.... And I'm sure AD could fill you in that the SS budget won't change regardless of who's in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 If Kerry/Edwards are so against sub chapter s corps why are they not trying to repeal them? Why has Edwards avoided medicare taxes for years by using this vehicle? 62711[/snapback] I believe the Kerry response was simply to show that Bush was using his fuzzy math, it was not an indictment of the sub chapter s corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac17 Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 I would be willing to bet my next paycheck that we could find companies that Kerry owns, of which he has no personal knowledge. before he married T.H., Kerry practically didn't have two nickels to rub together....(that's why he married her, and that's why he might become president.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 What an assclown kerry is. If there is any question that my point about kerry being able to literally say anything, here is another clear example.KERRY: You can't stop all outsourcing, Charlie. I've never promised that. I'm not going to, because that would be pandering. You can't. But what you can do is create a fair playing field, and that's what I'm talking about. But let me just address what the president just said. Ladies and gentlemen, that's just not true what he said. The Wall Street Journal said 96 percent of small businesses are not affected at all by my plan. And you know why he gets that count? The president got $84 from a timber company that owns, and he's counted as a small business. Dick Cheney's counted as a small business. That's how they do things. That's just not right. BUSH: I own a timber company? (LAUGHTER) That's news to me. (LAUGHTER) Need some wood? (LAUGHTER) Most small businesses are Subchapter S corps. They just are. I met Grant Milliron, Mansfield, Ohio. He's creating jobs. Most small businesses -- 70 percent of the new jobs in America are created by small businesses. 62673[/snapback] I agree. I would feel much better if Kerry were strutting around the stage giggling, making jokes and winking at people. I've always wanted a President that acts like he's at a frat party. What a fricken disgrace. Go check your tax returns you dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 My take on that exchange was "Jesus Christ, he has so much money and so many business interests, that he doesn't even know what he owns!" "WTF!" "He doesn't identify with the average joe at all!" . He didn't deny owning a timber company, he was just surprised by it, like he wasn't sure if he does or not. And me being an average joe, that didn't sit well with me. To me it made him look like a filthy rich, pompous, ignorant man. I mean, I know what I own and what I don't own, most of working America does, right? I know Kerry is filthy rich too, but he doesn't come off as a pompous, ignorant man. Don't flame me, those were just my immediate thoughts after seeing that timber exchange, I'll refrain from saying anything about the wood between Bush's ears . 62737[/snapback] Question for you Tracy. Do you own a mutual fund? Because if you do there's probably a good chance you hold portions of companies such as Microsoft which are paying you dividends of probably more than the $84 that timber company paid Bush. Does that make you a filthy rich, pompous ignorant woman? Absolutely not, makes you a very smart individual if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alg Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 The lumber royalties came from an oil and gas holding in GWs portfolio that also happens to own a timber company. GW is right on target with his comback. So yea, Factcheck.com was right, that Kerry was right, and completely misleading at the same time. It was a lame comment that set GW up to lay down the hammer of superior personability. Kerry made a wonderful straight man last night... That so many of you find it a disgrace, and not humorous, only shows the depths of your personal hatred for the man. It also shows that you are either 1) willing to ignore true humor for political motive, or 2) you do not actually have a sense of humor. Because this is the real truth: "Need some wood?" will go down as one of the funniest comebacks in presidential debate history. It will also prove to be one of the very reasons Americans will re-elect GW in November. Barring any catastrophic world or political events, this election is over. Dems will have 4 more years to practice their hate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 The lumber royalties came from an oil and gas holding in GWs portfolio that also happens to own a timber company. GW is right on target with his comback. So yea, Factcheck.com was right, that Kerry was right, and completely misleading at the same time. It was a lame comment that set GW up to lay down the hammer of superior personability. Kerry made a wonderful straight man last night... That so many of you find it a disgrace, and not humorous, only shows the depths of your personal hatred for the man. It also shows that you are either 1) willing to ignore true humor for political motive, or 2) you do not actually have a sense of humor. Because this is the real truth: "Need some wood?" will go down as one of the funniest comebacks in presidential debate history. It will also prove to be one of the very reasons Americans will re-elect GW in November. Barring any catastrophic world or political events, this election is over. Dems will have 4 more years to practice their hate... 62819[/snapback] Wow, you're right. I never thought of it that way. Might as well not vote now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 My take on that exchange was "Jesus Christ, he has so much money and so many business interests, that he doesn't even know what he owns!" "WTF!" "He doesn't identify with the average joe at all!" . He didn't deny owning a timber company, he was just surprised by it, like he wasn't sure if he does or not. And me being an average joe, that didn't sit well with me. To me it made him look like a filthy rich, pompous, ignorant man. I mean, I know what I own and what I don't own, most of working America does, right? I know Kerry is filthy rich too, but he doesn't come off as a pompous, ignorant man. Don't flame me, those were just my immediate thoughts after seeing that timber exchange, I'll refrain from saying anything about the wood between Bush's ears . 62737[/snapback] OR the stick up his .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 You know, it dawned on me this afternoon... Since Kerry is so familiar with Bush's holdings, maybe what we need to do is take a look at Kerry's holdings. I'm sure his wife and he won't mind opening up their books to show how much they're like Joe America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain America Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 The lumber royalties came from an oil and gas holding in GWs portfolio that also happens to own a timber company. GW is right on target with his comback. So yea, Factcheck.com was right, that Kerry was right, and completely misleading at the same time. It was a lame comment that set GW up to lay down the hammer of superior personability. Kerry made a wonderful straight man last night... That so many of you find it a disgrace, and not humorous, only shows the depths of your personal hatred for the man. It also shows that you are either 1) willing to ignore true humor for political motive, or 2) you do not actually have a sense of humor. Because this is the real truth: "Need some wood?" will go down as one of the funniest comebacks in presidential debate history. It will also prove to be one of the very reasons Americans will re-elect GW in November. Barring any catastrophic world or political events, this election is over. Dems will have 4 more years to practice their hate... 62819[/snapback] Barring any catastrophic world or political events, this election is over. Dems will have 4 more years to practice their hate This election was over before it started,Kerry didnt have a chance and he still doesnt.That should put a smile on Hillary's face :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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