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This isn't an argument. It's a fact. The elected officials who put these laws into place were put into office by the people of Virginia so they would do the bidding of the majority of the state's residents. The majority rules. It's just that simple. Personally I think the laws are a crock of schitt, but this is clearly what a majority of Virginia wanted. If it is not, then they need to replace their elected officials with people who have opposing views.

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Wasn't arguing about the concept of majority rules.

 

A majority in elections that are decided on the margins does not mean it is morally or even legally right. It simply codifies descrimination.

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Actually, in a democracy it does mean it's legally right.

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Constitutionally? The wheel's still in spin on that.

 

Just how segregation and Jim Crow was 'legally right' in the South for so long... it was 'legally right' in one sense that enough people voted to allow descrimination, winked at lynch mobs, etc. But in quite a different sense, it wasn't legally right, b/c subsequent SC rulings said what those states were doing was legally wrong. It's just going to take time.

 

And then, maybe we can get a govt that can concentrate on governing rather than delving into peoples' sex lives.

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Just how segregation and Jim Crow was 'legally right' in the South for so long... it was 'legally right' in one sense that enough people voted to allow descrimination, winked at lynch mobs, etc. But in quite a different sense, it wasn't legally right, b/c subsequent SC rulings said what those states were doing was legally wrong. It's just going to take time.

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And the SC rulings didn't apply retroactively. Things are legal until they aren't. If the population of a state democratically votes in favor of a given law via the process outlined in their state's articles of statehood (Charter, Constitution, whatever), it's legal. If the SC strikes it down later, or the US Congress enacts federal law contradicting it...then it becomes illegal. In the intervening time, it's legal. But something can't become illegal retroactively, nor can it realistically be called "illegal" in a time frame in which it is legal based on some future expectation of it being overturned. Just like segregation and Jim Crow - both of which were legal until they weren't.

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A majority in elections that are decided on the margins does not mean it is morally or even legally right. It simply codifies descrimination.

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Says you. And your opinion -- and that's what it is, an opinion -- legally means nothing in Virginia unless you have a special way to overturn their laws. And you know why? Because that's what the people of Virginia wanted, voted for, and got.
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Says you. And your opinion -- and that's what it is, an opinion -- legally means nothing in Virginia unless you have a special way to overturn their laws. And you know why? Because that's what the people of Virginia wanted, voted for, and got.

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Not to mention someone named "Uconn James" probably isn't even a registered voter in the Commonwealth of Virginia

 

As a registered voter in Virginia (voted no on the ballot measure) I don't have a problem with it passing because I know that is the will of the majority of Virginians

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Not to mention someone named "Uconn James" probably isn't even a registered voter in the Commonwealth of Virginia

 

As a registered voter in Virginia (voted no on the ballot measure) I don't have a problem with it passing because I know that is the will of the majority of Virginians

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Majority of (voting) Virginians. Though it doesn't change anything with the principal of Democracy and being ok with the law, I think that it is still important to make that distinction.

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If the non voters are too lazy to make their voice heard on Election Day what they say afterwards is irrellevant.  Just as irrellevant as people from outside Virginia :bag:

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While that is true, and is why I put that qualification in my statement, it doesn't make them any less virginian.

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While that is true, and is why I put that qualification in my statement, it doesn't make them any less virginian.

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and unless they choose to make their voice heard on election day how do you propose including them in the system? take the election results and regress towards the mean :w00t:

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and unless they choose to make their voice heard on election day how do you propose including them in the system?  take the election results and regress towards the mean  :w00t:

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No damnit, I've been saying this whole time that it doesn't change anything as far as democracy/the law is concerned. :P

 

I was just qualifying this statement:

 

because I know that is the will of the majority of Virginians
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