BillnutinHouston Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 From NFL.com: NFL Passer Rating Rank Player Team Yds Att Cmp TDs Ints Long Rating 1 Tony Romo DAL 1656 180 125 13 5 53 110.8 2 Peyton Manning IND 2964 379 244 21 6 51 100.2 3 Carson Palmer CIN 3102 386 249 22 8 74 99.7 4 Drew Brees NO 3463 413 275 19 10 86 97.8 5 Damon Huard KC 1824 241 146 11 1 78 97.6 6 Donovan McNabb PHI 2647 316 180 18 6 87 95.5 7 Philip Rivers SD 2440 331 215 15 6 57 94.5 8 Marc Bulger STL 2858 398 254 14 4 67 92.7 9 David Carr HOU 2219 339 237 10 7 53 88.8 10 Tom Brady NE 2563 367 221 20 11 54 87.0 11 Mark Brunell WAS 1789 260 162 8 4 74 86.5 12 J.P. Losman BUF 2007 290 185 10 8 83 84.1 13 Chad Pennington NYJ 2174 317 201 11 11 71 80.6 14 Steve McNair BAL 2295 371 230 12 9 65 80.2 15 Jon Kitna DET 2876 404 251 12 13 60 80.0 16 Alex Smith SF 1972 299 182 11 9 75 80.0 17 Byron Leftwich JAC 1159 183 108 7 5 51 79.0 18 Jake Delhomme CAR 2329 367 218 12 9 72 78.7 19 Brett Favre GB 2634 403 230 14 10 82 78.1 20 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 1406 212 120 13 10 72 77.7 21 Rex Grossman CHI 2390 346 192 18 14 62 77.6 22 Brad Johnson MIN 2410 373 234 8 10 46 77.3 23 Eli Manning NYG 2345 362 211 17 15 50 76.0 24 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 2529 347 213 12 19 63 72.3 25 Michael Vick ATL 1770 291 149 13 9 55 72.1 26 Joey Harrington MIA 1717 284 166 10 11 48 71.6 27 Jake Plummer DEN 1994 315 175 11 12 83 70.5 28 Bruce Gradkowski TB 1328 259 139 9 6 53 70.1 29 Matt Leinart ARI 1753 271 149 7 9 58 69.6 30 Charlie Frye CLE 2145 345 216 9 16 75 69.5 I don't care about the haters. JP IS the real deal, glad we have him. Not bad at all for a first year starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFLstyle Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 second year starter* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketbills Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 first year as the full time starter. i'm not even gonna count last season. he was pulled far too early and then jerked in and out of two games. poor coaching really stunted his growth, but this year he has really turned things around. i'm proud of him and i think the sky is the limit for JP. he will still be up and down learning this new O and he is not perfect, but he will get better and i think his guts and moxy are gonna carry him a long ways. go bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 second year starter* 854268[/snapback] That's right, second year. But I think he means first year only because Jp never played a full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 second year starter* 854268[/snapback] That asterisk is well-deserved. One has to wonder what would've happened if Mularkey had allowed Losman the chance to work through and learn from his mistakes, as the current regime is doing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 I've never really placed much faith in QB rating as an accurate measure of a QB ability. A couple of good games will bump up the rating and a couple bad games will drive it down That said I see he's only 3 points behind Brady. Hopefully JP will keep having good games and Marcia will have a couple bad games. Would love to see JP above Brady on any list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeLuca1967 Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 I've never really placed much faith in QB rating as an accurate measure of a QB ability. A couple of good games will bump up the rating and a couple bad games will drive it down That said I see he's only 3 points behind Brady. Hopefully JP will keep having good games and Marcia will have a couple bad games. Would love to see JP above Brady on any list 854300[/snapback] The QB rating is as effective a tool at judging a quality QB as the BCS computer is at judging who the best college teams in the country are. They both are meaningless. The QB rating does not take into account sacks or fumbles. It doesn't take into account the INT's that turn in TD's. It also doesn't take into account drop passes, third down passing conversions and red zone passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berman Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 The QB rating is as effective a tool at judging a quality QB as the BCS computer is at judging who the best college teams in the country are. They both are meaningless. The QB rating does not take into account sacks or fumbles. It doesn't take into account the INT's that turn in TD's. It also doesn't take into account drop passes, third down passing conversions and red zone passing. 854367[/snapback] Meaningless?? Look at the top ten compared to the bottom ten. While the QB rating does not tell the entire story the fact that JP is rated where he is a good measurement of his improvement. Face the facts JP haters he has improved and the grass is not always greener on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 The QB rating is as effective a tool at judging a quality QB as the BCS computer is at judging who the best college teams in the country are. They both are meaningless. The QB rating does not take into account sacks or fumbles. It doesn't take into account the INT's that turn in TD's. It also doesn't take into account drop passes, third down passing conversions and red zone passing. 854367[/snapback] To put it in simpler terms, what you're saying is that if Losman had a crappy QB rating, it would prove his suckiness. But since he has a decent one, it proves the rating is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFLstyle Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 I think if Mularky left Losman in last year for the whole season, it would have hurt Losman more than it would have helped. Last year Mularky just sort of threw him out to the Wolves, his gameplan was terrible and well the staff just didn't do a very good job at getting Losman prepared. This year the team has gotten McGahee a lot mroe involved and I think Jauron has done a lot more to get Losman prepared, this year Losman is going in the right direction and he has a decent system around him. Last year was just a nightmare and it would have been impossible for any quarterback to play well under those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share Posted December 3, 2006 To put it in simpler terms, what you're saying is that if Losman had a crappy QB rating, it would prove his suckiness. But since he has a decent one, it proves the rating is meaningless. 854426[/snapback] Exactly. Haters like DeLuca try the "heads I win, tails you lose" arguments unless they are called on it. Even still, the hate will continue because irrational hate is immune to the objectivity of the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFLstyle Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 The QB rating is as effective a tool at judging a quality QB as the BCS computer is at judging who the best college teams in the country are. They both are meaningless. The QB rating does not take into account sacks or fumbles. It doesn't take into account the INT's that turn in TD's. It also doesn't take into account drop passes, third down passing conversions and red zone passing. 854367[/snapback] maybe you're right it is meaningless: it doesn't account for the awful line that Losman has had to play behind, it doesn't account for all of the blind side hits he's taken, it doesn't account for dropped passes either. Completely meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Tony Romo = Pro Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Tony Romo = Pro Bowl 854433[/snapback] agreed yeah. Romo has had a great season and might be getting enough recognition around the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 The QB rating is as effective a tool at judging a quality QB as the BCS computer is at judging who the best college teams in the country are. They both are meaningless. The QB rating does not take into account sacks or fumbles. It doesn't take into account the INT's that turn in TD's. It also doesn't take into account drop passes, third down passing conversions and red zone passing. 854367[/snapback] Something tells me you're licking your chops for today's game...assured of a loss...assured of a week of "I told you so" and assured of yet another step toward saving the franchise with one in the L column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB27 Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Today is JP's real test. Play well, win the game, no one will give a *&^$%*^ about the QB rating! GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berman Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 I myself don't need to see the Bills pull off a huge upset and win today in order to say confidently that JP is our guy and the franchise is heading in the right direction and stabele at the all important QB position. He does however need to continue to improve and limit his mistakes. I would like to see the coaches show a vote of confidence and let him play more aggressively. In my opinion this is "tell-tale" sign that behind closed doors they believe what they have been preaching to us fans... JP is our guy for the future. We have got to open it up a little today in order to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Buffalo is ranked # 29 in overall offense, and # 30 in passing yards /game. From NFL.com: NFL Passer Rating Rank Player Team Yds Att Cmp TDs Ints Long Rating 1 Tony Romo DAL 1656 180 125 13 5 53 110.8 2 Peyton Manning IND 2964 379 244 21 6 51 100.2 3 Carson Palmer CIN 3102 386 249 22 8 74 99.7 4 Drew Brees NO 3463 413 275 19 10 86 97.8 5 Damon Huard KC 1824 241 146 11 1 78 97.6 6 Donovan McNabb PHI 2647 316 180 18 6 87 95.5 7 Philip Rivers SD 2440 331 215 15 6 57 94.5 8 Marc Bulger STL 2858 398 254 14 4 67 92.7 9 David Carr HOU 2219 339 237 10 7 53 88.8 10 Tom Brady NE 2563 367 221 20 11 54 87.0 11 Mark Brunell WAS 1789 260 162 8 4 74 86.5 12 J.P. Losman BUF 2007 290 185 10 8 83 84.1 13 Chad Pennington NYJ 2174 317 201 11 11 71 80.6 14 Steve McNair BAL 2295 371 230 12 9 65 80.2 15 Jon Kitna DET 2876 404 251 12 13 60 80.0 16 Alex Smith SF 1972 299 182 11 9 75 80.0 17 Byron Leftwich JAC 1159 183 108 7 5 51 79.0 18 Jake Delhomme CAR 2329 367 218 12 9 72 78.7 19 Brett Favre GB 2634 403 230 14 10 82 78.1 20 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 1406 212 120 13 10 72 77.7 21 Rex Grossman CHI 2390 346 192 18 14 62 77.6 22 Brad Johnson MIN 2410 373 234 8 10 46 77.3 23 Eli Manning NYG 2345 362 211 17 15 50 76.0 24 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 2529 347 213 12 19 63 72.3 25 Michael Vick ATL 1770 291 149 13 9 55 72.1 26 Joey Harrington MIA 1717 284 166 10 11 48 71.6 27 Jake Plummer DEN 1994 315 175 11 12 83 70.5 28 Bruce Gradkowski TB 1328 259 139 9 6 53 70.1 29 Matt Leinart ARI 1753 271 149 7 9 58 69.6 30 Charlie Frye CLE 2145 345 216 9 16 75 69.5 I don't care about the haters. JP IS the real deal, glad we have him. Not bad at all for a first year starter. 854263[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 The QB rating is as effective a tool at judging a quality QB as the BCS computer is at judging who the best college teams in the country are. They both are meaningless. The QB rating does not take into account sacks or fumbles. It doesn't take into account the INT's that turn in TD's. It also doesn't take into account drop passes, third down passing conversions and red zone passing. 854367[/snapback] Or missed blocking assignments, poor play calling, dropped passes, unread keys, bad route running... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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