GG Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 If the draft was tomorrow what position's would you be drafting first for the Bills?... 848828[/snapback] It wouldn't be the top pick, nor anywhere near there. Which is all I care about. Of course, not having the No. 1 overall pick is going to set this franchise back 5 yrs. But I still don't care.
seq004 Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 I find your reasoning, that the media/fans decide that we shouldn't draft O-line as the cause the Bills don't draft O-line a fallacy. 848858[/snapback] That's great. I guess I should have added coaches for those who didn't get the gest
Swift Sylvan Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 It wouldn't be the top pick, nor anywhere near there. Which is all I care about. Of course, not having the No. 1 overall pick is going to set this franchise back 5 yrs. But I still don't care. 848888[/snapback] Houston Texans
BravinSeattle Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 If the draft was tomorrow what position's would you be drafting first for the Bills? I don't think the OL is such a glaring need anymore. Something has changed in Buffalo the last 2 weeks. DL OL TE WR LB My draft board would look something like that. 848828[/snapback] In my opinion the key to the continued development of JP Losman is the improvement of the O-line and another dependable receiving threat. We need help at OG and OT so my preference would be to shore that up unless the no.1 DT is on the board when we draft -- then I'd be tempted. OG OT DT WR LB
Chilly Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Do you not think that Pennington has played well so far, and might be a solid starter in the league?
bartshan-83 Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Interesting that you mention Aiken as he and Smardzja's reception and yardage numbers were nearly the same for their senior years.And just like Aiken, I don't think Samardzja's production will translate to the NFL because like Aiken, he won't be able to work pro DB's like he can college ones. Tough, smart player and I enjoy watching him, but he's benefited greatly from his position in Weiss' offense and pro DB's are an entirely different species from the guys he's been playing against. Cya 848887[/snapback] Valid arguments. I'd say that the difference is that JS put up great numbers last year and has therefore shown far greater consistency. Furthermore, he is on a team that had 4 players catch 45+ passes. That might help take pressure off of him, or it might make it harder for him to amass numbers as the only target. Second, while 2005-6 ND has been far more prolific overall than 2001-2 NC, JS has caught 26 TDs in those two years vs. Aiken's 12. Again, apples to oranges in terms of team production, but I'd say that makes him a pretty serious redzone target. Finally, Sam Aiken 6'2" 210 v. JS 6'5" 220. And I know I dragged Aiken into this discussion, but I think there are reasons to show why JS will be a different player with better results. But none of this will make me right, you make good points. I just think that after watching JS for 40+ games, I think he has a shot to be a good producer at the next level.
Swift Sylvan Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Actually, if Marv has a repeat draft performance, he'll draft a position we're not really expecting or at least not with the first pick, since he'll probably go for who he believes is the best player left on the board. With any luck he'll tick off Mel Kiper and company once again
Fewell733 Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Must resign Nate, London and Gandy (to play guard, he's doing a fine job there, JP said in the press conference that he's the leader of the OL, and in a pinch can play LT): In the first 3 rounds I'd like to see a DT, an OG, and a big receiver. DT - ideally Alan Branch, maybe instead Frank Okam or Pitcock (though he isn't really big), I like Kareem Brown out of the U in the late rounds. OG - whoever. shouldn't use a 1st here though. WR - really won't know until after the combine as to where the big receivers stand- a lot of the big guys end up being too slow for the pros. Samardzija and Dwayne Bowe might be slow as sh**. Jarrett looks like an absolute stud though. Johnson will be long gone by our pick. The TEs aren't supposed to be great this year and I would only draft one in the first if they were an unusual talent at the position. OLB also a possibility - Posluszny? (character guy, I'm not sure how good he actually is though) I think it's wait and see regarding a tackle. It looks like Pennington can play. He's kind of like Peters in a lot of ways: all the physical tools, not a lot of experience.
Webster Guy Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 What you do if Charles Johnson, the WR from Georgia Tech was there when the Bills picked?Team him with Lee and you got trouble for other team's dbs.. 848885[/snapback] You are right, WR Johnson from Georgia Tech is incredible. But, the Bills have seemed a bit "star-struck" in the drafts before Levy (ie Donahoe) and the lines have been not totally ignored, but put off more than they should have been. Drafting a good lineman in the first round isn't a guarantee (Big Mike) but the probability of guessing right is a lot higher.
Tasker Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 I am very happy that the O-Line has been playing well, and I am very concerned about the D-Line. That said, we get McCargo back in addition to any other acquisitions, and we cannot let a couple good games realize that four of our five O-Linemen are fighting for their lives. We need to see how the coming games play out, and who emerges, but I would definitely like to see us get a quality guard, and probably a second lineman to replace the second weakest link. I'd love if Pennington emerges and we don't see a clearly better alternative available. Similarly having Roscoe and Price step up the last couple weeks along with Super Lee takes some pressure off of the second receiver need, but I wouldn't mind a big receiver somewhere if there is a fit, but not round 1 unless clearly the best player. A playmaker tight end would be nice too if something fits. I think that having the line play well gives us the ability to not force draft by a script, and take the best option to improve our team with each pick. Here is my hope-we-aren't-forced-to-follow-a-script script: OG DT TE WR LB OG/OT DE
SilverNRed Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 OGDT TE WR LB OG/OT DE 849180[/snapback] The Bills have so many needs that I'd really be OK with them just taking the best player available at any of those positions. And hopefully it's someone Mel Kiper isn't excited about so that we can watch him freak out again.
Bill from NYC Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 OG DT RT LB WR TE The OG, DT, and RT would be inter-changeable, in that I would select the one which is a better player, rather than just going for the position. The only position above that gets tricky imo is RT. I watch Pennington as much as I can, but it is very hard at this point to determine how good he is. He certainly has the frame to play RT, but so did Corey Loucheiy, one of the worst players I have ever seen. The kid is getting reps, and this is a great thing. Hopefully, the coaches will be certain by the end of the year as to whether or not he will develop into a strong, dominant RT. If they think he will be average, his replacement should be drafted. For me, the bottom line is that there are some big, nasty DTS in our division. We need Guards on both sides who are able to compete with these guys. Steinbach, an early round pick, and a person pointing Gandy to the "EXIT" sign would be something that would instantly transform us into a better team.
Rico Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 If the draft was tomorrow what position's would you be drafting first for the Bills? 848828[/snapback] Same as last year:DT OG
KOKBILLS Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 What you do if Charles Johnson, the WR from Georgia Tech was there when the Bills picked?Team him with Lee and you got trouble for other team's dbs.. 848885[/snapback] Well...It's Calvin Johnson at GT...Charles is a bit over the hill now... And unless the Bills are sitting in the Top 5 they will have no chance to Draft Calvin Johnson...He may even go #1 Overall depending on who is Drafting at the Top Spot...
KOKBILLS Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 If the draft was tomorrow what position's would you be drafting first for the Bills? I don't think the OL is such a glaring need anymore. Something has changed in Buffalo the last 2 weeks. DL OL TE WR LB My draft board would look something like that. 848828[/snapback] I'm assuming the Bils will be Drafting somewhere between 11 and 20...9 Teams currently have Records of 4-7 or worse (GB is at 4-6), 6 more Teams have 5-6 Records...My best guess is the Bills finish 7-9 and Pick right around 15th... Assuming the Bills either Re-Sign Nate Clements, or replace him with a Vet CB, I think Frez's Needs List is spot on, especially if the LB is a Pass Rush Specialist... I've been hoping somehow, someway by the Grace of God, the Bills get a crack at WR Calvin Johnson...but it looks like they have already Won their way out of that scenerio...So My preference then would be to take the Best OL Prospect available in the 1st Round...The Bills Need 1st Round Talent on the O-Line in the worst way and they Need it yesterday... My early guess is Texas OG Justin Blalock because he's an OG, and despite his Top 10 ranking, OG's slide a bit... I would say the Needs List goes in this order...OL, WR, DL, Pass Rushing OLB, and TE...But that's just Me...
Ozymandius Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Hopefully, the coaches will be certain by the end of the year as to whether or not he will develop into a strong, dominant RT. If they think he will be average, his replacement should be drafted. 849280[/snapback] That's a great point. I don't want to just "get by" on the lines. I want to dominate. I mean, what exactly is the upside for this 7th round draft pick? If it's to be a so-so starter, that's still a great story because it exceeds the expectations for most 7th rounders, but I would want his butt replaced pronto. Investing on the lines pays for itself. We won't have to re-sign McGahee at an expensive price but instead draft a cheaper replacement. We'll keep Losman clean and healthy so he can continue his development. If the Bills end up going into next season with Fowler-Preston-Pennington as the right side of the line, I will want to shoot someone. Knowing our Bills, I best get the gun ready. We're going to go cheap because we are cheap a$$holes. Fuk us. Gawd, I'm already getting pi$$ed at all this talk about o-line not being a problem anymore. Bunch of hogwash ****. Fuk fuk fuk fuk.
KOKBILLS Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 That's a great point. I don't want to just "get by" on the lines. I want to dominate. I mean, what exactly is the upside for this 7th round draft pick? If it's to be a so-so starter, that's still a great story because it exceeds the expectations for most 7th rounders, but I would want his butt replaced pronto. Investing on the lines pays for itself. We won't have to re-sign McGahee at an expensive price but instead draft a cheaper replacement. We'll keep Losman clean and healthy so he can continue his development. If the Bills end up going into next season with Fowler-Preston-Pennington as the right side of the line, I will want to shoot someone. Knowing our Bills, I best get the gun ready. We're going to go cheap because we are cheap a$$holes. Fuk us. Gawd, I'm already getting pi$$ed at all this talk about o-line not being a problem anymore. Bunch of hogwash ****. Fuk fuk fuk fuk. 849372[/snapback] Okey-doke... The O-Line is still a problem and I'm guessing the Bills know it...They tried to get by on the cheap this year because they wanted to re-build the Defense...I think the Plan all along was to address the O-Line Needs in 2007...But what do I know?
Bill from NYC Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 That's a great point. I don't want to just "get by" on the lines. I want to dominate. I mean, what exactly is the upside for this 7th round draft pick? If it's to be a so-so starter, that's still a great story because it exceeds the expectations for most 7th rounders, but I would want his butt replaced pronto. Investing on the lines pays for itself. We won't have to re-sign McGahee at an expensive price but instead draft a cheaper replacement. We'll keep Losman clean and healthy so he can continue his development. If the Bills end up going into next season with Fowler-Preston-Pennington as the right side of the line, I will want to shoot someone. Knowing our Bills, I best get the gun ready. We're going to go cheap because we are cheap a$$holes. Fuk us. Gawd, I'm already getting pi$$ed at all this talk about o-line not being a problem anymore. Bunch of hogwash ****. Fuk fuk fuk fuk. 849372[/snapback] The good news is that Peters has started what, 3 or 4 games at LT? From where I sit, he looks as good as a healthy Jonas Jennings and this is quite the compliment. We need big, vicious Guards to go up and compete against Wilfork, Robertson, Seymour, etc. These guys are easier to draft than LTs. Even the absolute best Guards in the league such as Faneca and Hutch didn't go that early. The Bills are within striking distance of a good OL. The need exists at DT as well; we all know this, and another LB is a must imo. I am hoping against all hope that they re-sign Clements for the above reasons.
Marv's Neighbor Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 If the Draft was tomorrow there would some fool(s) pis*ing & moaning about the fact that "If we'd only lost to Jacksonville, we coulda drafted-----------"
stuckincincy Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Rnd 1 OLB 2 - OG 3 - CB 4 - OT 5 - none 6 - MLB 7 - OG ...subject to change, depending on FA action.
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