Buffalo Baumer Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 I honestly want to know your thoughts. If he gets adequate time behind the line the next 4 weeks and totally stinks up the joint while losing 4 more games, do you still want to keep him in the rest of the season without getting a look at Nall? Would you at least want to see if Nall does any better so the off season is not a complete question mark again? Again, for those that think something will click in JPs head, what would your boiling point be (if any)? This question could just have easily been directed at the coaching staff.
todd Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 We need to give losman the keys to the Chevette and see what he can do with it.
Rico Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 No, he's got the rest of the season to finally hang himself... if he still doesn't show anything, then trade him if you can or cut him. That's the only way I see to eliminate any question marks... give JP every chance this year. Nall can compete with the new Chosen One next year if JP doesn't cut it.
ganesh Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 I honestly want to know your thoughts. If he gets adequate time behind the line the next 4 weeks and totally stinks up the joint while losing 4 more games, do you still want to keep him in the rest of the season without getting a look at Nall? Would you at least want to see if Nall does any better so the off season is not a complete question mark again? Again, for those that think something will click in JPs head, what would your boiling point be (if any)? This question could just have easily been directed at the coaching staff. 840267[/snapback] I am bills fan and want the bills to do well. However, you got to be patient with the QB position. Of course some teams just luck it out and have a QB emerge out of no where. However, most of the teams will have to invest fairly long to find out about their QB. The problem with the bills is that the surrounding cast is so bad, it is very hard to judge the QB or his skills. Considering that the bills will have to give him the entire season and be objective in what he can do in determining if he is going to be the face of this franchise in the future. From all the talk that is coming out of OBD, they are indicating that they are ready to wait and be patient to see that the QB can grow up. If the coaching staff would have felt that Nall was worth trying it out, they might have jumped the gun before the ship sank. But the fact that they chose not to indicates that they are willing to wait for Losman to develop and have faith in him and also think Nall will not be the long term answer for this franchise.
jdubs Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 We need to give losman the keys to the Chevette and see what he can do with it. 840277[/snapback] I used to have a 1976 Chevette, such a POS. But as for an answer on the question, I don't think we can really gauge JP as QB until the O line is shored up. If we can fix it in the draft/free agency, I say give him 4-5 games next season and if hestill can't cut it, time to get rid of him.
Tasker Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 I'm a Losman fan, but a Bills fan above that. But I don't think you look at Nall this season. Deciding JP isn't the one before the full season is too soon, and giving Nall snaps when you haven't decided on JP isn't the right thing. Nall needs to try to do something to move up to 2nd on the depth chart in the coach's eyes (the same eyes that see him take snaps in practice every day) before this discussion even makes sense. If after the season the decision is made that JP is not the guy, Nall can compete with whatever free agent signee or draft pick Marv and Dick think are better than JP, and may the best QB emerge. But my take is that all the RJ comparisons are way off base, and JP will be a pretty good to great QB, and by season's end we will decide that we want to entrust him with the 2007 season and make some kick ass acquisitions at other positions. He has shown all of the pieces individually and just needs to put them together. I think that experience and a good O-Line will make that easier. I look forward to a good game this weekend, progress through the rest of the season, and hopefully a QB good enough to at least stop focusing on who our next QB should be .
CFLstyle Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Nall is not a starter in this league, if he were good enough to start the coaches wouldn't have him third on the depth chart. Losman should get the rest of this season, if he doesn't show any signs of improvement then he'll be cut in the offseason and the Bills will look elsewhere for a signal caller (please not the draft unless it's Troy Smith).
ajzepp Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 I'm going to renew my JP Losman Bandwagon card for a couple more weeks if Jauron is saying that he's going to turn him loose. I know JP can make things happen with his legs, particularly when he rolls out and throws on the run. If he's goign to be allowed to play his natural game, then I want to give him a couple more games before I really start thinking he's not gonna make it.
IDBillzFan Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Alternately, should a time come when JP really shows his development and value, will you guys who hate him just stop coming up with different ways to create the same thread over and over and over again? Or will you just go find another team because you hate to be wrong?
/dev/null Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 I have very little faith left in JP. However I have less faith in Nall and even less in Holcomb The season is pretty much in the crapper already. Give him a shot and see if he proves us JP haters wrong in the next 7 games. If he does I'll eat my crow. If he doesn't then I'd hate to say I told you so, and I will tell you so
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 I honestly want to know your thoughts. If he gets adequate time behind the line the next 4 weeks and totally stinks up the joint while losing 4 more games, do you still want to keep him in the rest of the season without getting a look at Nall? Would you at least want to see if Nall does any better so the off season is not a complete question mark again? Again, for those that think something will click in JPs head, what would your boiling point be (if any)? This question could just have easily been directed at the coaching staff. 840267[/snapback] I wonder what daquixers_is_back will say about this. maybe something like: You should be banned from talking about JP. When your simply talking Bills football you have something intelligent to say once in a while. Yet once you start talking about Losman, every bit of common sense goes out the window. 834703[/snapback] Hey, you do it to me.
OGTEleven Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 I honestly want to know your thoughts. If he gets adequate time behind the line the next 4 weeks..... 840267[/snapback] BWOOP!!! BWOOP!!!!! BWOOP!!!!!! False premise alert, false premise alert.
tjwbills Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 I think its more about giving this line a chance to play including Preston. This offense lacks NFL caliber skill players; thats not a crutch for Losman, he's struggling too, but I consider him an NFL caliber talent unlike some of our starters on offense. Many of whom play on offensive line or at WR/TE
Dr. Trooth Posted November 18, 2006 Posted November 18, 2006 Goodness gracious. This topic sure has been beaten to death. So what if folks have faith in JP or don't? The fact is, JP is the Bills QB this season, period, end of story. This regime knows they've drawn a 'mulligan' this season, simply because they've inherited a bad team and are charged with fixing it. They are going to use this year to allow JP to make it or break it. And, he ain't the only one. They know they've got to repair some parts and replace some parts. Personally, I think JPs performance stinks. Sure, I'd like it to be better... everyone would. But, he just doesn't have the supporting cast to do it. What QB could do a hell of a lot better under the current conditions? Peyton Manning? He'd get killed... who would he pass to besides Evans (who doesn't remind too many of us of Marvin Harrison)? Carson Palmer? Ditto. Ron Mexico? He'd be the same as he is now... just running around and having a couple of great games and a couple of bad ones. This team needs a lot more than just a QB right now. And for those of you that think that JP's the problem and that if he's benched immediately that things will be better are damn dilusional. Who do the Bills bring in at QB that will perform better than JP with the current supporting cast? Brady Quinn? Stanton? McNair? Favre? Hasselbeck? Just who? Any of those guys would be on IR in just a few weeks. It's a credit to JP that he's still on the active roster and still able to start... and maintain a QB rating of above 80. And, each year he's played, his rating has gotten significantly better than the previous season. That's fact, and that shows some statisical evidence of progress. So, as I mentioned in a previous post... if this regime is as successful in the upcoming draft as it was a year ago and with a major FA aquisition or two, providing JP with a better supporting cast, then we can pass judgement. The kid has had to adjust to a new coaching staff and learn a whole new offense. He deserves to be cut some slack after starting only 16 or 17 NFL games with the lack of talent he has around him. He is making progress.
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted November 18, 2006 Posted November 18, 2006 He is making progress. 840381[/snapback] I agree. I just wish that they would take the handcuffs off. Half-time at the Chicago game would have been a great time to say, "Ok kid let's let it rip." Play to his strengths already.
Whites Bay Posted November 18, 2006 Posted November 18, 2006 Goodness gracious. This topic sure has been beaten to death. So what if folks have faith in JP or don't? The fact is, JP is the Bills QB this season, period, end of story. This regime knows they've drawn a 'mulligan' this season, simply because they've inherited a bad team and are charged with fixing it. They are going to use this year to allow JP to make it or break it. And, he ain't the only one. They know they've got to repair some parts and replace some parts. Personally, I think JPs performance stinks. Sure, I'd like it to be better... everyone would. But, he just doesn't have the supporting cast to do it. What QB could do a hell of a lot better under the current conditions? Peyton Manning? He'd get killed... who would he pass to besides Evans (who doesn't remind too many of us of Marvin Harrison)? Carson Palmer? Ditto. Ron Mexico? He'd be the same as he is now... just running around and having a couple of great games and a couple of bad ones. This team needs a lot more than just a QB right now. And for those of you that think that JP's the problem and that if he's benched immediately that things will be better are damn dilusional. Who do the Bills bring in at QB that will perform better than JP with the current supporting cast? Brady Quinn? Stanton? McNair? Favre? Hasselbeck? Just who? Any of those guys would be on IR in just a few weeks. It's a credit to JP that he's still on the active roster and still able to start... and maintain a QB rating of above 80. And, each year he's played, his rating has gotten significantly better than the previous season. That's fact, and that shows some statisical evidence of progress. So, as I mentioned in a previous post... if this regime is as successful in the upcoming draft as it was a year ago and with a major FA aquisition or two, providing JP with a better supporting cast, then we can pass judgement. The kid has had to adjust to a new coaching staff and learn a whole new offense. He deserves to be cut some slack after starting only 16 or 17 NFL games with the lack of talent he has around him. He is making progress. 840381[/snapback] r Well said, Dr. Trooth. I have to respect a person who starts a post with "Goodness Gracious". (No, for once I'm not being facetious). It's almost getting on my nerves when I hear the talking network suits describe J.P as a "Third-Year QB". Huh? Yep, he was damn quick dodging sacks that first year...in a cast. I have a running head-banging session with a co-worker from Lockport regarding J.P. While he's as big a Bills fan as anyone (even ME), he's solidly off the bandwagon. Fine. Be off the bandwagon. But put up or SHUT UP. Put the names on the board, boys. And then back it up with more than a couple of Labatts. Quinn in the draft? Or some mystery guest in Free Agency? (Remember, you're competing with places like Tampa Bay, and possibly Jacksonville, as venues. Still think you're going to bring in a superstar for workouts in western New York in February?). Like any fan, I grasped mightily at the rosy vision of Terrence Pennington blowing people off the line. Of Robert Royal streaking down the middle. Of Melvin Fowler grinding people to mincemeat up the gut. It ain't happening. I don't know why it isn't. They're probably good people who take their craft seriously. But it ain't happening. Do I scream at the TV for J.P. to GET RID OF THE DAMN BALL FASTER? Bet yer sweet @$$ I do. But I also know that the receivers have to get open....FAST. It's that awful team thing. So here's my question to those who would have Losman's head on a platter. First off...it's not going to happen, so get over it. Second, we have (in my not-so-humble-opinion) two glaring needs - another OLT (assuming you move Peters back over to ORT, and move Pennington back to bar bouncer), or a friggin' monster DT. I'm game - what do you think? Where do you go? Rebuild the OL, or put a near-convict in the middle? My call is to pick some DT dude who really likes farm animals in the first round, and find a ORT that knows how to run-block in the second round. Pass protection on the right side gets a lot easier when you're running people over. Thoughts?
Fla Bills Fan Posted November 18, 2006 Posted November 18, 2006 I used to have a 1976 Chevette, such a POS. But as for an answer on the question, I don't think we can really gauge JP as QB until the O line is shored up. If we can fix it in the draft/free agency, I say give him 4-5 games next season and if hestill can't cut it, time to get rid of him. 840315[/snapback] I am in total agreement with you,provided they get him some line help next year. If the line still sucks, then I say let him play untill we get a decent Oline.
jdubs Posted November 18, 2006 Posted November 18, 2006 Goodness gracious. This topic sure has been beaten to death. So what if folks have faith in JP or don't? The fact is, JP is the Bills QB this season, period, end of story. This regime knows they've drawn a 'mulligan' this season, simply because they've inherited a bad team and are charged with fixing it. They are going to use this year to allow JP to make it or break it. And, he ain't the only one. They know they've got to repair some parts and replace some parts. Personally, I think JPs performance stinks. Sure, I'd like it to be better... everyone would. But, he just doesn't have the supporting cast to do it. What QB could do a hell of a lot better under the current conditions? Peyton Manning? He'd get killed... who would he pass to besides Evans (who doesn't remind too many of us of Marvin Harrison)? Carson Palmer? Ditto. Ron Mexico? He'd be the same as he is now... just running around and having a couple of great games and a couple of bad ones. This team needs a lot more than just a QB right now. And for those of you that think that JP's the problem and that if he's benched immediately that things will be better are damn dilusional. Who do the Bills bring in at QB that will perform better than JP with the current supporting cast? Brady Quinn? Stanton? McNair? Favre? Hasselbeck? Just who? Any of those guys would be on IR in just a few weeks. It's a credit to JP that he's still on the active roster and still able to start... and maintain a QB rating of above 80. And, each year he's played, his rating has gotten significantly better than the previous season. That's fact, and that shows some statisical evidence of progress. So, as I mentioned in a previous post... if this regime is as successful in the upcoming draft as it was a year ago and with a major FA aquisition or two, providing JP with a better supporting cast, then we can pass judgement. The kid has had to adjust to a new coaching staff and learn a whole new offense. He deserves to be cut some slack after starting only 16 or 17 NFL games with the lack of talent he has around him. He is making progress. 840381[/snapback] a freaking men
mike1011 Posted November 18, 2006 Posted November 18, 2006 We don't know how another QB would do. A Romo compared to a Bledsoe is proof enough to me that without seeing you never know. When people here don't believe JP is a 3rd year pro because he was hurt we have to realize this is reality. Everywhere JP gets older. He's 25 and next year 26 before we realize if he's worth anything? A man peaks for 3 years, usually between 26-29. I don't think he's going to peak into a great QB. I just don't see it, but I do all the excuses in the world.
CoachChuckDickerson Posted November 18, 2006 Posted November 18, 2006 Alternately, should a time come when JP really shows his development and value, will you guys who hate him just stop coming up with different ways to create the same thread over and over and over again? Or will you just go find another team because you hate to be wrong? 840341[/snapback] No worries, that time will not come.
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