Johnny Coli Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 According to the NBC link that you posted, he wasn't. And this isn't about the "Patriot Act" or "this country" or whatever. It's about one guy being a complete douche and not leaving when the police tell him to leave. Do you really think the police were bored and just felt like breaking out the tasers? 840054[/snapback] According to the transcript you posted he was leaving. He had his backpack on his shoulder and he was walking out when the cops approached him. It was unnecessary. You escort him out of the building. You don't escalate the situation by using force when none is necessary.
SilverNRed Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 According to the transcript you posted he was leaving.You escort him out of the building. You don't escalate the situation by using force when none is necessary. 840058[/snapback] Avoid escalating the situation by actually leaving when they tell you to leave. Don't make them ask over and over and then go limp when they're escorting you out. You don't have to be a !@#$ing moron to get tasered by the cops, but it helps.
RayFinkle Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Did not immediately leave, but was leaving when the cops showed up, according to multiple witnesses. Zero justification for using the taser multiple times, let alone once. Also, we don't taser people in this country (maybe we do now) for not obeying orders if they pose no danger to themselves or anyone else. 840053[/snapback] So repeatedly not following the instructions of a police officer is not enough justification? The librarian told him to leave, he didn't. The cops were called, he is still there, and judging by his comments while the police were escorting him out, he more than likely gave the cops a hard time when they got there. The cops didn't seem out of control to me, actually quite the opposite. No officer was ranting or raving, just repeating orders to "the student" who didn't want to cooperate. What is the moral of the story? When the library geek tells you you need to leave, get the f-ck out and follow the rules.
SilverNRed Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 What is the moral of the story? When the library geek tells you you need to leave, get the f-ck out and follow the rules. 840066[/snapback] Fascist!
Johnny Coli Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Avoid escalating the situation by actually leaving when they tell you to leave. Don't make them ask over and over and then go limp when they're escorting you out. You don't have to be a !@#$ing moron to get tasered by the cops, but it helps. 840065[/snapback] "Going limp" isn't a threatening move. You can try and justify this any way you want, but you're wrong. There was no reason to repeatedly taser a person who is already on the ground. You also don't get to taser someone because they don't have a student ID. You don't get to taser someone who won't get up off the ground.
Johnny Coli Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 So repeatedly not following the instructions of a police officer is not enough justification? 840066[/snapback] It's not enough justification to repeatedly use a stun gun on a person who isn't a danger, no.
KD in CA Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 A six-minute video showed Tabatabainejad audibly screaming in pain as he was stunned several times with a Taser, each time for three to five seconds. He was told repeatedly to stand up and stop fighting, and was told that if he did not do so he would "get Tased again." 839955[/snapback] Six minutes? It should have taken 30 seconds for this guy to stand up and walk out of the building after being told to leave. I'd speculate that he thought he should be exempt from the rules and was treated accordingly by someone who didn't share that view.
SilverNRed Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 "Going limp" isn't a threatening move. You can try and justify this any way you want, but you're wrong. There was no reason to repeatedly taser a person who is already on the ground. You also don't get to taser someone because they don't have a student ID. You don't get to taser someone who won't get up off the ground. 840078[/snapback] The guy wouldn't leave after being repeatedly asked to leave and was acting more and more irrational. He had no student ID so it's possible he wasn't even a student. They have no idea why he's acting irrational. No idea why he's there and won't leave immediately even after being surrounded by cops. Yeah, I can see them using the taser to finally get him the hell out of there. He brought this on himself. Why do you think the cops broke out the taser? Were they just bored? Wanted to see if it worked? Maybe they're all monsters? Were they fascist cops who thought they could do whatever they wanted because of the Patriot Act? Seriously, other than thinking this guy was a threat, why would they have used the taser? Please tell me.
SilverNRed Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Six minutes? It should have taken 30 seconds for this guy to stand up and walk out of the building after being told to leave. I'd speculate that he thought he should be exempt from the rules and was treated accordingly by someone who didn't share that view. 840081[/snapback] And the six minutes starts after he's been screaming at the cops but before the physical struggle takes place. This crap had to be going on for a while before the video starts for people to not only stop what they're doing and pay attention but also break out their video cameras, etc. It's not enough justification to repeatedly use a stun gun on a person who isn't a danger, no. 840079[/snapback] I'm sorry, how did they know he wasn't a danger? He was acting completely irrational after being asked to leave a computer lab.
Johnny Coli Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Seriously, other than thinking this guy was a threat, why would they have used the taser? Please tell me. 840085[/snapback] I have no idea why they would use excessive force on a student who was leaving the building, who wasn't posing a threat to anyone else, nor was offering up resistance. I am sure a lot of people will be asking them that question.
RayFinkle Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Six minutes? It should have taken 30 seconds for this guy to stand up and walk out of the building after being told to leave. I'd speculate that he thought he should be exempt from the rules and was treated accordingly by someone who didn't share that view. 840081[/snapback] Bingo. I have no pitty for people who get jacked up as a direct result of their own "righteousness".
Ramius Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 I have no idea why they would use excessive force on a student who was leaving the building, who wasn't posing a threat to anyone else, nor was offering up resistance. I am sure a lot of people will be asking them that question. 840089[/snapback] I also was wondering what was the need to lift him off the ground just to taser him the 3rd and 4th time. Bunch of wanna-be cops on a power trip. If they could have lifted him, which they showed they could, it would have been just as easy to toss his ass out the door. I fail to see the need to taser him 3 or 4 times.
Johnny Coli Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 From Inside Higher Ed. The confrontation took place Tuesday evening after 11:00 p.m., when campus security officers were making their rounds through the library, checking students for identification as part of their normal security procedures. Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a student, did not produce his identification and was apparently asked to leave. “I went back to my work, and when I looked up, I saw that [Tabatabainejad] was already LEAVING the library,” said Laila, a UCLA student via e-mail. Laila asked that her last name not be used. She said that she does not know Tabatabainejad and was just another student studying in the library. “He had his backpack on his shoulders, and was next to my computer (about 2 feet away) when he was approached by two [uCLA police] officers.” Laila said that the officers grabbed Tabatabainejad’s arm and he began to shout for the officers to stop touching him. [snip] But Laila, who said she witnessed the whole event, denied that Tabatabainejad encouraged students to join. “Students were trying to help him because they could see what was happening was wrong,” she said. She added that dozens of student witnesses were angry at the officers’ actions. If over 30 students were objecting, she said, “how can anyone think what was happening was right?” You have to go out of your way to think this was acceptable. A female student in the background begins crying, and a male voice can be heard saying, “I don’t believe this is happening.” It shouldn't, and had no one videotaped this incident no one would believe it.
Johnny Coli Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 I also was wondering what was the need to lift him off the ground just to taser him the 3rd and 4th time. Bunch of wanna-be cops on a power trip. If they could have lifted him, which they showed they could, it would have been just as easy to toss his ass out the door. I fail to see the need to taser him 3 or 4 times. 840102[/snapback] You're a student. Say you're in the library working on something past the time they start asking for IDs, and some guy comes over and tells you can't stay if you don't have an ID. You tell him to go to hell. He get's the campus cops. You start to leave. You mouth off. They grab you and use a taser on you. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. You know, repeatedly tasering a college student after he's down and handcuffed, and all his peers are pleading with you to stop. Sounds like normal protocol. Nothing to see here. But if you get in our way, we'll do you too.
erynthered Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 You're a student. Say you're in the library working on something past the time they start asking for IDs, and some guy comes over and tells you can't stay if you don't have an ID. Then you leave, and every thing below is moot. You tell him to go to hell. He get's the campus cops. You start to leave. You mouth off. They grab you and use a taser on you. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. You know, repeatedly tasering a college student after he's down and handcuffed, and all his peers are pleading with you to stop. Sounds like normal protocol. Nothing to see here. But if you get in our way, we'll do you too. 840107[/snapback]
Dante Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 To me that numbnuts was putting on a performance. Attention whore! Figures hot campus babes will like him more because he got in the Man's face. Overall I found the video to be pretty amusing. Compassionate sob that I am.
Johnny Coli Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 840138[/snapback] He was leaving, as per more than one witness.
BB27 Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 I love Tasers!! You could not see what was happening each time he got tazed. Also, some people can be quite violent and fight extremely well on the ground in handcuffs. This guy was an idiot. Why don't we convict these Police Officers without all the facts. Until you have been in thier shoes, you have no idea how hard a job it can be, and how uncooperative and combative an idiot in handcuffs can be. Somehow I bet there is more to this story than the video (actually it is more of an audio tape) is showing.
erynthered Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 He was leaving, as per more than one witness. 840143[/snapback] Ramius was told to leave, he should of left. I didnt know Ramius had witnesses.
Johnny Coli Posted November 17, 2006 Posted November 17, 2006 Ramius was told to leave, he should of left. I didnt know Ramius had witnesses. 840155[/snapback] They all got tased.
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