Tux of Borg Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 My Webpage School board votes to dump JROTC program Jill Tucker, Chronicle Staff Writer After 90 years in San Francisco high schools, the Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps must go, the San Francisco school board decided Tuesday night. The Board of Education voted 4-2 to eliminate the popular program, phasing it out over two years. Dozens of JROTC cadets at the board meeting burst into tears or covered their faces after the votes were cast. "We're really shocked,'' said fourth-year Cadet Eric Chu, a senior at Lowell High School, his eyes filling with tears. "It provided me with a place to go." The proposal approved by the board also creates a task force to develop alternatives to the program that will be tried out next year at various high schools. The board's decision was loudly applauded by opponents of the program. Their position was summed up by a former teacher, Nancy Mancias, who said, "We need to teach a curriculum of peace." The board's move to dismantle the popular program was led by board members Dan Kelly and Mark Sanchez with support from Sarah Lipson and Eric Mar. Casting votes against it were Jill Wynns and Norman Yee. Board member Eddie Chin was absent. "I think people should not despair too much," Sanchez said. "I think now the work begins -- to work within the community to develop new programs that will fulfill the needs of our students." About 1,600 San Francisco students participate in JROTC at seven high schools across the district. Opponents said the armed forces should have no place in public schools, and the military's discriminatory stance on gays makes the presence of JROTC unacceptable. "We don't want the military ruining our civilian institutions," said Sandra Schwartz of the American Friends Service Committee, an organization actively opposing JROTC nationwide. "In a healthy democracy ... you contain the military. You must contain the military." Students, parents and school staff from each of the seven high schools converged outside the school board meeting carrying signs and waving at cars, some of which honked in support. At least 100 cadets edged into Franklin Street waving their signs before being pushed back to the sidewalk by their ROTC instructors. Yet, in the end, the effort -- one of several rallies in the last several weeks -- fell on deaf ears. "This is where the kids feel safe, the one place they feel safe," Robert Powell, a JROTC instructor at Lincoln High School and a retired Army lieutenant colonel, said earlier in the evening. "You're going to take that away from them?" Opponents acknowledged the program is popular and even helps some students stay in school and out of trouble. Yet they also said the program exists to lure students to sign up for the armed forces. "It's basically a branding program, or a recruiting program for the military," Kelly said before the meeting. The school district and the military share the $1.6 million annual cost of the program, with the military paying $586,000, or half the salaries of 15 instructors -- all of whom are retired military personnel. The district pays the other half of salaries and $394,000 in benefits. Earlier, Mayor Gavin Newsom weighed in on the debate, chastising the board for the effort to eliminate JROTC. "The move sends the wrong message," he said. "It's important for the city not to be identified with disrespecting the sacrifice of men and women in uniform." Students in the program receive physical education or elective credits required for graduation. A budget analysis found that the district could hire nine teachers with the money the district now spends on JROTC -- enough to cover the gym and elective courses for the 1,600 students should the program be eliminated. But there wouldn't be money to create an alternative program serving that many students, Wynns said. "I think the people who want to get rid of it have a responsibility to look at how we're going to pay for that and what we're going to do to replace it," she added. Newsom also said he believed the vote would push more city residents away from the public schools. "You think this is going to help keep families in San Francisco?" the mayor added. "No. It's going to hurt." On other matters, the board introduced a resolution that makes race a factor in deciding what school a child will attend starting with the 2008-09 school year. No action was taken.
5 Wide Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 My Webpage School board votes to dump JROTC program Their position was summed up by a former teacher, Nancy Mancias, who said, "We need to teach a curriculum of peace." 838747[/snapback] My blood just rose 8 degrees with that..... Peace is only as stable as the ability to defend it. It's not a program of violence, it's a program of preparation and discipline.
tennesseeboy Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 My blood just rose 8 degrees with that..... Peace is only as stable as the ability to defend it. It's not a program of violence, it's a program of preparation and discipline. 838773[/snapback] Peace doesn't really mean anything if we don't kill a lot of people to get it!
ieatcrayonz Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 Peace doesn't really mean anything if we don't kill a lot of people to get it! 838781[/snapback] You are a harsh and bitter person. Why don't you just advocate killing gypsies? Kill people for peace? Gypsies aren't people? What is next with you?
IDBillzFan Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 I agree with this decision. The rest of the world is peaceful. We seem to be the only country being violent, so if we just stop being a violent country, the whole world will finally be able to live in peace.
EC-Bills Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 You are a harsh and bitter person. Why don't you just advocate killing gypsies? Kill people for peace? Gypsies aren't people? What is next with you? 838790[/snapback] Well in his defense, he advocates killing Gypsies who support Capri Sun.
SilverNRed Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 "We're really shocked,'' said fourth-year Cadet Eric Chu, a senior at Lowell High School, his eyes filling with tears. "It provided me with a place to go." 838747[/snapback] Yeah, well, screw you! Military bad! "This is where the kids feel safe, the one place they feel safe," Robert Powell, a JROTC instructor at Lincoln High School and a retired Army lieutenant colonel, said earlier in the evening. "You're going to take that away from them?" Opponents acknowledged the program is popular and even helps some students stay in school and out of trouble. 838747[/snapback] Yeah, but are we really supposed to care about "students"? It's not like schools exist for "students". The military is bad no matter what it does. San Francisco needs you to know that.
tennesseeboy Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 You are a harsh and bitter person. Why don't you just advocate killing gypsies? Kill people for peace? Gypsies aren't people? What is next with you? 838790[/snapback] Why would you want to kill gypsies?
5 Wide Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 Why would you want to kill gypsies? 838908[/snapback] Self Defense
tennesseeboy Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 Self Defense 838938[/snapback] Why would we do that when we still have so many Iraqis to kill?
USMCBillsFan Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 Why would we do that when we still have so many Iraqis to kill? 838950[/snapback]
USMCBillsFan Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 Peace doesn't really mean anything if we don't kill a lot of people to get it! 838781[/snapback] Coming from somebody who's probably never done a damn thing but sit back and enjoy all the things that many of us have died for their right to do.
tennesseeboy Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 Coming from somebody who's probably never done a damn thing but sit back and enjoy all the things that many of us have died for their right to do. 839033[/snapback] Not really marine...over 130 combat missions in Vietnam and the DFC for valor in combat along with three air medals...and you fought where and for how long?
apuszczalowski Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 You are a harsh and bitter person. Why don't you just advocate killing gypsies? Kill people for peace? Gypsies aren't people? What is next with you? 838790[/snapback] But if we kill Gypsies, where will we get their tears from to ward of the curse? And they usually have alot of cool treasures too
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 My blood just rose 8 degrees with that..... Peace is only as stable as the ability to defend it. It's not a program of violence, it's a program of preparation and discipline. 838773[/snapback] Peace through superior firepower!
X. Benedict Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 "Earlier, Mayor Gavin Newsom weighed in on the debate, chastising the board for the effort to eliminate JROTC." He doesn't want to lose that future wedding market for hotbunkers.
USMCBillsFan Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 Not really marine...over 130 combat missions in Vietnam and the DFC for valor in combat along with three air medals...and you fought where and for how long? 839038[/snapback] 7 months in Kuwait Desert Storm, Horn of Africa (Somolia) as well as Iraq. I've been there too. I sensed condesention in your remarks. And Marine is always spelled with a capital M.
ieatcrayonz Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 Why would you want to kill gypsies? 838908[/snapback] You clearly advocated killing gypsies in that Borat thread. Sick.
tennesseeboy Posted November 16, 2006 Posted November 16, 2006 7 months in Kuwait Desert Storm, Horn of Africa (Somolia) as well as Iraq. I've been there too. I sensed condesention in your remarks. And Marine is always spelled with a capital M. 839079[/snapback] and condescension is always spelled with an s. Frankly it was you who made the crack about not doing anything for my country. I'll remember about the capital M. Kind of like MacArthur's comment about the swagger stick. If you need to capitalize it, go ahead. Gotta get going as my Secretary just told me the Cleaners were going to move some stuff so that the Painters could do the office!
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