coltrane34 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 For anyone who thinks Jp should be pulled, remember that 99% of hall of Fame quarterbacks have not been very productive in their first full season of starts. Almost every good QB and even the great Manning, Farve, Kelly, Moon, Elway......I could go on, have all struggled mightily in the beginnings of their historic careers. JP should not and will not be pulled this entire Season. The combination of the entire teams mistakes will not be put on his shoulders. You people that want to see Nall or some rookie QB take over this team are ignorant to the game of football as a whole. With a young Quarterback you have to be ready to take some lumps in order to make him better. When you draft a young QB you have to let him develop over at least three to four years. If you give up before the kid has even a full season of starts then you should have just gotten a veteran free agent who has all ready been developed by another team. JP has everything he needs to be a premiere QB. Build around him, let him win the team and fans over with his persistance, and he will be great. Don't be a mularkey and try to ruin this teams chances for another few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tux of Borg Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 For anyone who thinks Jp should be pulled, remember that 99% of hall of Fame quarterbacks have not been very productive in their first full season of starts. Almost every good QB and even the great Manning, Farve, Kelly, Moon, Elway......I could go on, have all struggled mightily in the beginnings of their historic careers. JP should not and will not be pulled this entire Season. The combination of the entire teams mistakes will not be put on his shoulders. You people that want to see Nall or some rookie QB take over this team are ignorant to the game of football as a whole. With a young Quarterback you have to be ready to take some lumps in order to make him better. When you draft a young QB you have to let him develop over at least three to four years. If you give up before the kid has even a full season of starts then you should have just gotten a veteran free agent who has all ready been developed by another team. JP has everything he needs to be a premiere QB. Build around him, let him win the team and fans over with his persistance, and he will be great. Don't be a mularkey and try to ruin this teams chances for another few seasons. 827338[/snapback] I think you and JP-Era could have some really deep conversations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Hey Stupid, Manning also didn't have 3 years to study NFL offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltrane34 Posted November 6, 2006 Author Share Posted November 6, 2006 Hey Stupid,Manning also didn't have 3 years to study NFL offenses. 827343[/snapback] But he did have the Team behind him and took every snap in every game his rookie and soph seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 actually, by the end of his rookie year, manning was looking pretty good. better than losman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaLee83 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 actually, by the end of his rookie year, manning was looking pretty good. better than losman. 827353[/snapback] yep Manning has a much different presence on the field with his team, he seems to have a natural leadership presence. Manning also isn't afraid to call an audible here and there, I can't remember the last time JP called an audible, especially when the D is wearing blitz on their forehead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltrane34 Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 yep Manning has a much different presence on the field with his team, he seems to have a natural leadership presence. Manning also isn't afraid to call an audible here and there, I can't remember the last time JP called an audible, especially when the D is wearing blitz on their forehead. 827357[/snapback] My point is that giving up on JP now is giong to set the team back years. Letting him grow and make mistakes will allow the team to concentrate on other issues. A solid team around him will make him look a million times better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 he's just one of a great many bad players on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 he's just one of a great many bad players on this team. 827370[/snapback] You can go back into hiding now, jes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Hey Stupid,Manning also didn't have 3 years to study NFL offenses. 827343[/snapback] I'm not saying I agree with the Losman/Manning comparison...but since I like to play Devil's Advocate (and not the pinball game).... You're right, BlueFire. Manning had MORE than 3 years to study an NFL offense. His lineage alone provided more experience than JP ever had. Plus, he played for UT and was a much more polished product coming out. Pretty much every scouting report on JP coming out of college described him as "raw". That term was never used to describe Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1011 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 My point is that giving up on JP now is giong to set the team back years. Letting him grow and make mistakes will allow the team to concentrate on other issues. A solid team around him will make him look a million times better. 827364[/snapback] The same set-back as Joey Harrington and the Lions? If only they waited for Joey's development they too could have 3 Ints per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Brady Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 The same set-back as Joey Harrington and the Lions? If only they waited for Joey's development they too could have 3 Ints per game. 827500[/snapback] Hey Joey has been looking pretty good with that crap team in Miami......or maybe they should switch back to clepper................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 For anyone who thinks Jp should be pulled, remember that 99% of hall of Fame quarterbacks have not been very productive in their first full season of starts. Almost every good QB and even the great Manning, Farve, Kelly, Moon, Elway......I could go on, have all struggled mightily in the beginnings of their historic careers. so have Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, David Klingler...I could go on and on the numerous threads like this that keep popping up are meaningless and mentioning Losman in his first full season in the same sentence as Manning, Favre and others is just DUMB the fact is Losman is not that good, the Bills Oline is terrible and their play calling is brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Were back to the J-Lo is a 3rd year rookie arguement? oh boy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 yep Manning has a much different presence on the field with his team, he seems to have a natural leadership presence. Manning also isn't afraid to call an audible here and there, I can't remember the last time JP called an audible, especially when the D is wearing blitz on their forehead. 827357[/snapback] Actually, lack of true leadership is the main criticism of Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Actually, lack of true leadership is the main criticism of Manning 827717[/snapback] Right ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFLstyle Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Right ... 827720[/snapback] I havn't heard it before but it wouldn't surprise me, that would explain the struggles in the playoffs. Just because you call a lot of audibles doesn't mean you're a great leader... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I havn't heard it before but it wouldn't surprise me, that would explain the struggles in the playoffs. Just because you call a lot of audibles doesn't mean you're a great leader... 827722[/snapback] Ive never heard that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Ive never heard that before. 827725[/snapback] Actually, it's talked about a lot, because the analysts like to try to figure out why Brady always tops Manning when it counts and the Colts offense looks and executes terribly when it counts the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Actually, it's talked about a lot, because the analysts like to try to figure out why Brady always tops Manning when it counts and the Colts offense looks and executes terribly when it counts the most. 827731[/snapback] Oh so its all "talk" ... nothing from the players or coaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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