Lurker Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 The Bills, or any team, would win probably 9-10 games if they got 100 yards, 50+% passing, 1 TD and no turnovers from their quarterback. 827105[/snapback] Shush, Kelly....the Germans are still bombing Pearl Harbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 It's refreshing to see that I'm not the only one that some some positives yesterday. Honestly, anyone that thought our offense was going to be on fire a week after completely overhauling the offensive line... well I don't know what to say. Also, someone posted in another thread, we had a 10 point lead through much of the game. A point I hadn't considered. That could certainly explain the overly conservative approach much of the game. Hopefully, the Bills can look good against the Colts, but reality often bites. Let's all just hope for more improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Overall Mormon was the best Bills player yesterday...the guy is rediculous. Schobel was great, Fletch played a good game, Nate decided to show up and play well..the D was solid and so was the ST.... The offense was not going to get any better, regardless of how you shuffle the OL, the players are the same..I think the left side will be just fine and the right mix is there, CV needs to just go away.... The WRs....why can't these guys get open consistently JP... here is what concerns me, from Fairchild's own mouth (through Chris Brown who also shared his opinion...) "I actually talked to Steve Fairchild about this very subject this week. He maintains the way to develop J.P. the fastest is to keep him in the pocket and force him to read defenses and only use his running ability as a last resort. I agree allowing a running QB to use his legs prematurely on a play stunts their growth in reading defenses because they don't hang in there long enough to watch things unfold. I think that's why he is a slow reader right now, because his college coaches let him run around all over the place. As a result he saw less plays from the pocket and now is less experienced than players like Phillip Rivers who are forced to read defenses because they don't have the same mobility. Michael Vick only now is starting to read defenses effectively and he's in his fifth season. I think Fairchild is committed to developing Losman's ability to read defenses knowing he's going to take his lumps. But I think he feels if J.P. is going to be successful at this level that he has to go through this process to understand and read defenses properly. If he doesn't he'll never get better and never be a consistent or effective QB. " What really concerns me is that the coaches know that reading defenses is weakness of his...while I do agree that they need to get him to learn how to do this in order for him and the Bills to be successful in the long run; they are sticking with this mindset a little bit too long...here are my reasons for saying this: It seems like the coaches are focusing on trying to increase his knowledge in a are ahe needs to improve, which is great, however, what they are not allowing him to do is to use his abilities that made him a 1st round draft choice...JP is not a true pocket passer, his game has always been running around and throwing the ball...there is no reason that for what 5-6 plays a game that you call plays that JP is comfortable with and allows him to play the game he has always played - roll him out and let him fly..some of his best throws and biggest successes are when he is out of the pocket...not to mention that it'll also keep opponent's Defense on their heels and honest, it will help the OL, it still force JP to stay in the pocket and read the defense throughout a majority of the game, but it will also allow him to be comfortable, play the game ina way is his comfortable and effective, and it'll take some of the "fan" pressure off of him by now starting to boo everytime they don't score a TD...JP looks uncomfortable period....now the chants for Nall or Hoclumb will be there...the coaches need to back off a bit to allow him to play comfortabley in his game, if he still can, to gain some confidence and get us fans off his back.... BTW, I thought that Sam Wyche, the great QB teacher, was supposed to have done this... And to answer some other points in this post...as fans we are way over critical, but that's what happens when its the same thing year in and year out with this team...and yes everyone misses the K-gun and the great team we had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCBongo Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 JP was that bad and the Offense was THAT uninspiring. The win is meaningless. Now, if the Bills go to Indy and compete, maybe make Indy sweat a little, then Bills fans will keep pumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 And that 12 teams have the same, or worse record than the Bills means squat. This team already won 50% more games in a season than the '84 & '85 disasters, but who's counting? ************** Waa waa, the QB played like crap, the OL didn't block, the coach is a natural loser. But, Mrs. Jones, who won the game? What does it matter? The QB looked like crap. But aren't Bills getting better play from their defense, which was the primary goal of the offseason? What does it matter? The RB will be playing in Miami next year. Waa waa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 How many games will the Bills win if they complete EIGHT passes per game? It's not really anymore complicated than that. 826966[/snapback] Wasn't there a Game against the Jets (@ Rich) back in the 1970's where the Bills completed ZERO passes and still WON the game?... I think they had OJ for that game??... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 No I can't remember a time of so much gloom. That being said. We get farther and farther away from the glory years and see more and more poor performance. Every year we buy into the rosy picture painted by "them" ( management, the press etc.} and we are again disapointed. we try to keep a good out-look but it is getting harder. It has been approx. 8 yrs that we have had a sub-par O-line. every year they try to put a bandaid on a bleeding wound. I will continue to follow the BILLS but I need a little encouragement' GO BILLS! 827414[/snapback] Very well said. And its a shame that those who think like this are labeled as "bad fans" and as the "hot pocket crowd" of little patience. As if eight years of devotion before frustration sets in is not reasonable. Is it not reasonable to expect this organization to finally show me something.....anything...before I invest thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours into them? Why is blind faith the only way to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 i do not think we run the ball very well , not to long ago we had all the big numbers running , passing and lost that game .seems we get shut down in short yds when we need a first down . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 If he continues on this Kyle Boller career path he's on, I won't object if the Bills opt to go a different direction in the offseason, but I think it would be foolish to take out a young QB who's playing poor-to-mediocre ball on a poor-to-mediocre team. 827515[/snapback] You know, the Boller reference is probably a pretty good analogy. Losman has the tools to do the job, but he hasn't shown the ability to pull it together. Flashes? Yes, we get flashes (but fewer lately), but consistency is lacking. I am concerned for his future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Hot Pockets Fans, some of you are. 827548[/snapback] Some yes, all...no. I've been through the dark ages, and they weren't fun, but I still looked forward to Sunday. The despair that is creeping into my psyche is due to the fact that I'm beginning to feel that we'll be going through the same process with a QB in short order. The thought that we've wiffed again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Overall Mormon was the best Bills player yesterday...the guy is rediculous. Schobel was great, Fletch played a good game, Nate decided to show up and play well..the D was solid and so was the ST.... The offense was not going to get any better, regardless of how you shuffle the OL, the players are the same..I think the left side will be just fine and the right mix is there, CV needs to just go away.... The WRs....why can't these guys get open consistently JP... here is what concerns me, from Fairchild's own mouth (through Chris Brown who also shared his opinion...) "I actually talked to Steve Fairchild about this very subject this week. He maintains the way to develop J.P. the fastest is to keep him in the pocket and force him to read defenses and only use his running ability as a last resort. I agree allowing a running QB to use his legs prematurely on a play stunts their growth in reading defenses because they don't hang in there long enough to watch things unfold. I think that's why he is a slow reader right now, because his college coaches let him run around all over the place. As a result he saw less plays from the pocket and now is less experienced than players like Phillip Rivers who are forced to read defenses because they don't have the same mobility. Michael Vick only now is starting to read defenses effectively and he's in his fifth season. I think Fairchild is committed to developing Losman's ability to read defenses knowing he's going to take his lumps. But I think he feels if J.P. is going to be successful at this level that he has to go through this process to understand and read defenses properly. If he doesn't he'll never get better and never be a consistent or effective QB. " What really concerns me is that the coaches know that reading defenses is weakness of his...while I do agree that they need to get him to learn how to do this in order for him and the Bills to be successful in the long run; they are sticking with this mindset a little bit too long...here are my reasons for saying this: It seems like the coaches are focusing on trying to increase his knowledge in a are ahe needs to improve, which is great, however, what they are not allowing him to do is to use his abilities that made him a 1st round draft choice...JP is not a true pocket passer, his game has always been running around and throwing the ball...there is no reason that for what 5-6 plays a game that you call plays that JP is comfortable with and allows him to play the game he has always played - roll him out and let him fly..some of his best throws and biggest successes are when he is out of the pocket...not to mention that it'll also keep opponent's Defense on their heels and honest, it will help the OL, it still force JP to stay in the pocket and read the defense throughout a majority of the game, but it will also allow him to be comfortable, play the game ina way is his comfortable and effective, and it'll take some of the "fan" pressure off of him by now starting to boo everytime they don't score a TD...JP looks uncomfortable period....now the chants for Nall or Hoclumb will be there...the coaches need to back off a bit to allow him to play comfortabley in his game, if he still can, to gain some confidence and get us fans off his back.... BTW, I thought that Sam Wyche, the great QB teacher, was supposed to have done this... And to answer some other points in this post...as fans we are way over critical, but that's what happens when its the same thing year in and year out with this team...and yes everyone misses the K-gun and the great team we had 827662[/snapback] Very good post, but you have to learn to walk before you can run. Once JP can read defenses effectively, it will make him an all around better QB. The roll outs will work that much better anticipating how the D will react. He will have a better grasp on when to run. i think the coaching staff is doing an excellent job in attempting to make JP a better QB, whether they accomplish that is yet to be determined. They are basically sacrificing some of the offensive production this year in an attempt to make JP into a top notch QB. I'll give them all the credit in the world for sticking with him and being patient, but it's a huge risk and it better pay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Very good post, but you have to learn to walk before you can run. Once JP can read defenses effectively, it will make him an all around better QB. The roll outs will work that much better anticipating how the D will react. He will have a better grasp on when to run. i think the coaching staff is doing an excellent job in attempting to make JP a better QB, whether they accomplish that is yet to be determined. They are basically sacrificing some of the offensive production this year in an attempt to make JP into a top notch QB. I'll give them all the credit in the world for sticking with him and being patient, but it's a huge risk and it better pay off. 828045[/snapback] And that is the reason why I don't see the Bills getting rid of JP in the offseason and why they see something in him the average fan doesn't. The average fan watches the games and looks at the stats and says, we didn't score or he could complete passes and says he is a bust while the coaches look and say, he did exactly what we asked him to, stay in the pocket and look for plays. Letting him go out there and play like he did in college is not going to mean success in the NFL. Look at Vick, JP is pretty much a Vick 2.0, a supposed cannon of an arm, and the ability to scramble and get away with his legs. Atlanta decided to just let Vick play his way and it didn't work. Yes he had great stats, but Atlanta was one dimensional, WR's were not being used and he was not getting the job done. Now they are starting to get him to settle down and try to make the throw first, then run only when needed and its starting to work out. Unfortunately for them, it took about 5 years to do this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornerville Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Is it not reasonable to expect this organization to finally show me something.....anything...before I invest thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours into them? Why is blind faith the only way to go? 827958[/snapback] If you do not go by blind faith, you are not a real fan remember? (Sarcasm Off) First of all, anyone who had any high expectations for this Bills team this year was drinking way too much Kool-Aid. This team is lacking in leadership, especially on the O side of the ball. IMO the WR's need to be overhauled. Evans is a 1a-2 receiver...not a legitimate #1..if you get Evans another top threat, he would be even better. Give JP the rest of the year, if things do not improve, lets go out and get a veteran QB who can get the job done, who can close out games, who can play with consistency, and also play without making the OC devise a playbook to make sure he does NOT make mistakes, rather a playbook that lets the Bills play to WIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I just get the stronger feeling every day that, at this time next year, JP will still be the QB and will not look any better. The OL will have 1 or 2 new scrubs that no other team wants & still suck, and the Pollyannas will still be saying that it's not JP's fault, just give him time. It's like the movie Groundhog Day. 827080[/snapback] Welcome to the Club...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 The passing game yesterday was bad, but these stats are totally skewed. 827061[/snapback] Fine then - what do your eyes tell you about how well he has played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 The Bills, or any team, would win probably 9-10 games if they got 100 yards, 50+% passing, 1 TD and no turnovers from their quarterback. 827105[/snapback] Provided that that team has the '85 Bears defense...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 But aren't Bills getting better play from their defense, which was the primary goal of the offseason? 827799[/snapback] The offseason is history. Wasn't the primary goal of the *season* to develop a competent NFL QB? JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 The offseason is history. Wasn't the primary goal of the *season* to develop a competent NFL QB? JDG 828395[/snapback] I had no idea the *season* was over and all the games played out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Fine then - what do your eyes tell you about how well he has played? 828378[/snapback] You do know it's a bit difficult to play QB with human turnstiles as passblockers. Don't you? But somehow it's all JP fault and his detractors will continue to say "well yes the pass blocking does suck but...". This constant ragging on JP like the offense problems are just his fault have become ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Can anybody remember this much gloom after a Bills victory? My memory is admittedly cloudy and not what it used to be, but I just can't recall this type of reaction after a win for the Buffalo Bills. The only explanation that comes to mind is that JP was SO bad, that his dismal performance caused concern for his future as an NFL quarterback, and even the short term future of the franchise in terms of reaching the playoffs. What's up? 826956[/snapback] Here's my theory. People who whine and complain the most are the ones who don't remember when this team really sucked, bad. Take a look at the 80's. I remember how bad we sucked obviously these people don't. Some of us have seen the lowest of lows in this team 20+ years ago and some haven't. This team is bad but not as bad as then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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