Bill from NYC Posted November 6, 2006 Author Posted November 6, 2006 I love you, Bill. Now, lighten up on JP. 827256[/snapback] I have gone relatively easy on him CL. The 2 passes to Evans concerned me. JP has the arm to hit him in stride both times. I can't understand what he was doing with those passes. Evans had to all but stop both times. Remember the balls he threw to Evans vs. Miami last year? What happened yesterday? If he keeps hanging it up like that Evans will be dead.
plenzmd1 Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 I have gone relatively easy on him CL. The 2 passes to Evans concerned me. JP has the arm to hit him in stride both times. I can't understand what he was doing with those passes. Evans had to all but stop both times. Remember the balls he threw to Evans vs. Miami last year? What happened yesterday? If he keeps hanging it up like that Evans will be dead. 827265[/snapback] Overcomepensation in my mind. Almost every other long ball thrown by JP this year has been "overthrown". Also, lets not forgwt had Royal caught that ball he was taking it to the house, as you could see the safety on that side of the field would have had no chance in catching him.
Albany,n.y. Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 People need to look beyond the stats, and I think that's what the majority are doing. Our QB was inept, and our backup, journeyman RB looked better than anything we have seen from WM all year. That's what is discouraging. 826983[/snapback] That totally sums it up. Anyone who watched the game knows that the game's stats don't come close to the reality of what we saw Sunday. I got an e-mail from Petrino, who didn't see the game & just read the stats & he thought the team kept JP on a short leash. Throw out the stats, watch the game and it's obvious that the Bills were horrible except on special teams & one busted coverage play by Evans. Maybe the A-train gets a pass too. However, if Brett Favre didn't hand the game to the Bills, it's an ugly loss in a game totally dominated by GB on O & D.
Captain Hindsight Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 They only made 15 attempts so completing 8 isn't horrible. I must say I can't believe the doom and gloom around here, especially after a win, and one that they scored more then 20 points in. It just reinforces my theory that Bills fans will never be happy with what the Bills do 826976[/snapback] Everyone on this board was pissed after the jets game when jp threw for 300 yds and we lost. ill take a win when i can get one, this just in STATS DONT MATTER wins do
generaLee83 Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 How many games will the Bills win if they complete EIGHT passes per game? It's not really anymore complicated than that. 826966[/snapback] Thank you, I'll take a victory any day but yesterdays game was a loss on Brett Favre's behalf, not a victory by the Bills. The complete inept state of Buffalo's offense is very depressing.
ajzepp Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 Everyone on this board was pissed after the jets game when jp threw for 300 yds and we lost. ill take a win when i can get one, this just in STATS DONT MATTER wins do 827280[/snapback] see that's the kind of game I feel JP should be having more of, but with fewer mistakes. I certainly don't expect him to be throwing for 300 every game, but IIRC the main thinig that stopped us that game was US. I expected to see those games transition into games where he would throw one less pick, have one less fumble, etc.... After yesterday, we're left with "but he had the ONE pass that won the game!" If you have a veteran in there with a history of solid performances and he just has an off game, then it's okay for him to have that one pass that wins it. But JP ISN'T that guy, so if we find ourselves talking about that ONE thing JP did durign the game, then I think that's a problem.
mike1011 Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 It's like the movie Groundhog Day. 827080[/snapback] Don't drive angry, I hate it when you drive angry. Great movie!!! The JP love-fest is Bill Murray's finest movie.
mike1011 Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 see that's the kind of game I feel JP should be having more of, but with fewer mistakes. I certainly don't expect him to be throwing for 300 every game, but IIRC the main thinig that stopped us that game was US. I expected to see those games transition into games where he would throw one less pick, have one less fumble, etc.... After yesterday, we're left with "but he had the ONE pass that won the game!" If you have a veteran in there with a history of solid performances and he just has an off game, then it's okay for him to have that one pass that wins it. But JP ISN'T that guy, so if we find ourselves talking about that ONE thing JP did durign the game, then I think that's a problem. 827321[/snapback] Lest we forget that he stank against the Jets and half his yards were in the 4th against a prevent defense. 300 yards is great, but have 200 with 2 TDs by the end of the 4th. Most 300 yard performances that are considered great works of art by a QB are mostly 3 quarter performances with running out the 4th. I watched the game and Losman was below average until the 4th.
ajzepp Posted November 6, 2006 Posted November 6, 2006 Lest we forget that he stank against the Jets and half his yards were in the 4th against a prevent defense. 300 yards is great, but have 200 with 2 TDs by the end of the 4th. Most 300 yard performances that are considered great works of art by a QB are mostly 3 quarter performances with running out the 4th. I watched the game and Losman was below average until the 4th. 827335[/snapback] Okay, fair enough....I guess my point is that I expected him to have big games here and there, and then minimize mistakes over time. If he were doing more of that, I think a lot of people would be feeling a bit more confident in the guy.
BuffOrange Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 It just reinforces my theory that Bills fans will never be happy with what the Bills do 826976[/snapback] Because they beat a crappy team at home in a meaningless game? Interesting theory.
bill in Livonia Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 No I can't remember a time of so much gloom. That being said. We get farther and farther away from the glory years and see more and more poor performance. Every year we buy into the rosy picture painted by "them" ( management, the press etc.} and we are again disapointed. we try to keep a good out-look but it is getting harder. It has been approx. 8 yrs that we have had a sub-par O-line. every year they try to put a bandaid on a bleeding wound. I will continue to follow the BILLS but I need a little encouragement' GO BILLS!
MRW Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 so if we find ourselves talking about that ONE thing JP did durign the game, then I think that's a problem. 827321[/snapback] I dunno, I'm also thinking about the things he didn't do, such as fumble, or throw a pick in the red zone, or throw a pick that got returned for a TD. Considering the offensive line shuffling we did, it pleases me quite a bit that the team avoided the big mistake. I certainly wasn't looking for an offensive explosion, and I think those who were were deluding themselves.
ajzepp Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 I dunno, I'm also thinking about the things he didn't do, such as fumble, or throw a pick in the red zone, or throw a pick that got returned for a TD. Considering the offensive line shuffling we did, it pleases me quite a bit that the team avoided the big mistake. I certainly wasn't looking for an offensive explosion, and I think those who were were deluding themselves. 827428[/snapback] Okay, well why WEREN'T you looking for more offense? Someone else posted what QBs have done against the GB defense, and JP is at the bottom of the list. Do you really think we can hang with the Colts next week if we're throwing for 100 yards? Even if the defense plays well, you've got to score points. I dunno...I'm just frustrated with this team right now....llike a lot of other folks.
mcjeff215 Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Having been here in those days I can recall the endless qb debates, but not the despair after a Bills win. Again, maybe it's me. 826985[/snapback] Lots of debate, heated at times, but there was always optimism. Some of the Mularkey games produced this type of feeling I think. Like I said in the chat room, I think we were the blind squrrel this weekend. The team played like crap, On top of that, the only constant this season has been suck, which doesn't produce any feeling of upward swing or hope. For whatever reason, we're sucking. It feels like we're going to continue sucking for quite some time. I think the reaction you're seeing is that of people getting used to it. There were a few bright spots. The turnovers were a good sign. Our 'D' as a whole played a better game. The whole team has to click. Also, a less-than-positive outlook doesn't render someone a "lesser fan" or any such thing. It's much like seeing your favorite band in concert and showing frustration at bad accoustics. -Jeff
Dan Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 I gotta say this is all just priceless. First, Favre lost the game?! Does anyone give our Defense credit for creating any of those turnovers or pressures? Or were they just out there walking around waiting for Favre, the almighty, to make a mistake? I swear, its like our defense didn't do anything. The only reason the Pack didn't score was because the Pack made mistakes. Sickening. That's what that is. I expect that kind of drivel from the national media, but not from supposed Bills fans. Did any of you idiots bother to consider the fact that maybe our defense just played a good game for once? Second, JP badly under throws Evans on those 2 plays?! Friggin insane! How often do you see QBs throw the ball short and the reciever has to stop, adjust and catch the ball. I'm not sure they're all designed that way; but I'd venture a guess that almost once every game by every team in the league a pass is thrown short and the receiver stops and gets the ball (or he stops and the DB runs into him and gets pass interference). JP does this and OMG he sucks; he can't hit Evans in stride! The ball hit Evans on the damn hands! He should catch it period. That miss is completely, 100% on Evans. End of discussion. On the touchdown pass, did any one else notice the guy rushing right up the middle, hitting JP as he throws the ball?!? He couldn't step into the throw at all. I was surprised he got the ball off at all. But, he did and actually hit a wide open Evans who walks in for the touchdown. Yet, who cares, because the pass wasn't pretty. Nevermind JP got laid on his ass immediately after the throw. And this pass, is after a penalty. 8 minutes left in the game. The Pack has all the momentum, just scoring 10 points to tie the game. We desparately needed a play, just 1 play - and we got it. But, yet we all still want "the ball in the endzone". News flash, it was a touchdown. We all still want JP to lead a game winning drive in the 4th quarter. Newsflash, that's what he did. We all want the team to play a full 60 minutes. Newsflash, they did - scoring 2 touchdowns in the 4th quarter to win the game. When was the last time, we got the ball and kneeled down to end the game? I'm sorry, it's not that JP or anyone on the defense did anything good; rather the Packers let us win out of their kind generosity. Do we need to improve? Absolutely! Do we need a new fanbase? Absolutely. Because I've never seen so many idiots complaining when they're seeing (1) exactly what they wanted to see and (2) what we all knew we were going to see back in August. The greatest joy I'll get from the rest of this season is seeing all the idiots here blow a gasket watching JP play, because guess what? JP's not going anywhere. Listen to Jauron, JP is here for the time being. So, you might as well suck it up for the long haul because it's going to get worse before it gets better. Ridiculous, it is.
MRW Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Okay, well why WEREN'T you looking for more offense? 827435[/snapback] Because I've been watching this team all season. Do you really think we can hang with the Colts next week 827435[/snapback] No.
ajzepp Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Because I've been watching this team all season.No. 827464[/snapback] LOL!
bdelma Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 Beace the Bills continued to spin in the mud/ Nothing will ever change it seems there. Bring back Joe Pendry!
Scraps Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 I gotta say this is all just priceless. First, Favre lost the game?! Does anyone give our Defense credit for creating any of those turnovers or pressures? Or were they just out there walking around waiting for Favre, the almighty, to make a mistake? I swear, its like our defense didn't do anything. The only reason the Pack didn't score was because the Pack made mistakes. 827453[/snapback] Our defense was responsible for the botched snaps?
BuffOrange Posted November 7, 2006 Posted November 7, 2006 I gotta say this is all just priceless. First, Favre lost the game?! Does anyone give our Defense credit for creating any of those turnovers or pressures? Or were they just out there walking around waiting for Favre, the almighty, to make a mistake? I swear, its like our defense didn't do anything. The only reason the Pack didn't score was because the Pack made mistakes. Sickening. That's what that is. I expect that kind of drivel from the national media, but not from supposed Bills fans. Did any of you idiots bother to consider the fact that maybe our defense just played a good game for once? Second, JP badly under throws Evans on those 2 plays?! Friggin insane! How often do you see QBs throw the ball short and the reciever has to stop, adjust and catch the ball. I'm not sure they're all designed that way; but I'd venture a guess that almost once every game by every team in the league a pass is thrown short and the receiver stops and gets the ball (or he stops and the DB runs into him and gets pass interference). JP does this and OMG he sucks; he can't hit Evans in stride! The ball hit Evans on the damn hands! He should catch it period. That miss is completely, 100% on Evans. End of discussion. On the touchdown pass, did any one else notice the guy rushing right up the middle, hitting JP as he throws the ball?!? He couldn't step into the throw at all. I was surprised he got the ball off at all. But, he did and actually hit a wide open Evans who walks in for the touchdown. Yet, who cares, because the pass wasn't pretty. Nevermind JP got laid on his ass immediately after the throw. And this pass, is after a penalty. 8 minutes left in the game. The Pack has all the momentum, just scoring 10 points to tie the game. We desparately needed a play, just 1 play - and we got it. But, yet we all still want "the ball in the endzone". News flash, it was a touchdown. We all still want JP to lead a game winning drive in the 4th quarter. Newsflash, that's what he did. We all want the team to play a full 60 minutes. Newsflash, they did - scoring 2 touchdowns in the 4th quarter to win the game. When was the last time, we got the ball and kneeled down to end the game? I'm sorry, it's not that JP or anyone on the defense did anything good; rather the Packers let us win out of their kind generosity. Do we need to improve? Absolutely! Do we need a new fanbase? Absolutely. Because I've never seen so many idiots complaining when they're seeing (1) exactly what they wanted to see and (2) what we all knew we were going to see back in August. The greatest joy I'll get from the rest of this season is seeing all the idiots here blow a gasket watching JP play, because guess what? JP's not going anywhere. Listen to Jauron, JP is here for the time being. So, you might as well suck it up for the long haul because it's going to get worse before it gets better. Ridiculous, it is. 827453[/snapback] Your blind fanboy cheerleader crap is what's ridiculous. Just so we're consistent - when we killed the Jets statistically, we didn't lose the game right? The Jets just won it with their top notch swiss cheese defense?
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