Zac Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 What the hell are you guys talking about? That is the best our O-line has played in awhile!
SilverNRed Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 I have hardly ever commented on JP pro or con just waiting to give him a chance. But until that pass he sucked ass today. 825690[/snapback] If the receivers weren't open and he had no time, what should he have done differently? I don't want him forcing the ball into coverage.
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 At what point do you start trusting the GM that he knows football better than we do? 825403[/snapback] Never! You know better... Of all people, you should know this has us as a society in a world of hurt... You are still hung up on who the "experts" are... BTW, like the new handle... I can read a lot into it, yet won't...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 You're mad that we won? Suck a d!ck. 825715[/snapback] Not mad that we won; mad that how we won is pretty meaningless, all things considered - sweetheart.
loadofmularkey Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 You're mad that we won? Suck a d!ck. 825715[/snapback] I can never remember if it was Confucious or Plato who first said that.
bluv Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 You guys notice that Favre isn't getting much more time than Losman, right? He's hitting slants, and throwing the ball on one step. That's what you do when the o-line sucks. If JP can't do this, or won't do this in order to hit the killer 40-yarder to Evans, then he doesn't belong out there. 825430[/snapback] That's part of the problem: none of those plays are being called EXCEPT in the frist 2-3 drives of our games. The rest of the game it is run, run, penalty then it is put JP in shotgun to be a sitting duck on 3rd down!
KRT88 Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 Yes this team sucks in every aspect, but its time to see if Nall can play and move on from JP. He locks onto targets, won't tuck and run and even if its not his fault the offense cannot move the football. I've been a huge supporter of JPs since we drafted him but to me its apparent if he's going to succeed in the NFL it won't be in Buffalo. He may not be turning the football over but he's not "managing" the game either. Sometimes you just need to shake things up and make guys realize they may not be playing for the playoffs but they're playing for pay checks next year. This team is really really bad beyond rebuilding because they've regressed since the beginning of the year, and be it coaching lack of talent etc lets just see what someone else can do behind center. Dave 825361[/snapback] I have also been a supporter for a long time but I have had enough. I think we have seen this kid best and it just is not good enough. We know what Holcolm can do, maybe it is time to see if Nall has any game. By the end of the season I expect Nall will get some game action because we have to find an answer to the QB question.
1billsfan Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 amen. Half this board seems to be as stupid as Mularkey (nevermind the game in Chicago today). JP played bad. The O-Line played bad. But hey, no turnovers, and in the fourth quarter they won the game- whether or not they deserved to. First week with a new line and got a W in a hideous game. I'd take that in a heartbeat. 825694[/snapback] I won't even give them the satisafaction of saying JP played a bad game today. You have to look at the game as a whole, not just the first three quarters. The guy threw the game deciding TD while getting crunched like he did for most of this game and the last three games the Bills have played. Yet he still had the guts to make that throw and he did not make any turnovers. That negates any "bad game" labels some here are trying to hang on him. Could you say he had a good game? No. But you can't say he had a bad game either. JP played well enough for the Bills to win, next question.
1billsfan Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 I have also been a supporter for a long time but I have had enough. I think we have seen this kid best and it just is not good enough. We know what Holcolm can do, maybe it is time to see if Nall has any game. By the end of the season I expect Nall will get some game action because we have to find an answer to the QB question. 825770[/snapback] Yeah, maybe Craig Nall would have made that throw on his back! Maybe Nall's a$$ is on the bench because he CAN'T make that play. Losman's 4th quarter TD throw was the difference in the game, get over it. But you just go ahead and keep touting Craig Nall, he was quite the difference maker today.
jlk.billsfan Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 I'm with you. To have 56 yds passing after 3 quarters? AND with the defense playing relatively well and spotting you seven? I'd like to see if Nall can do anything any better.... 825381[/snapback] Defense playing relatively well?They gave up over 400 yards of offense
Tcali Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 Drafting higher is something I almost never hope for. It seems like the same teams have high draft picks every year and the same teams are good teams every year. Good teams are the result of smart draft picks starting in round 2. 825718[/snapback] So true.
CoachChuckDickerson Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 Yeah, maybe Craig Nall would have made that throw on his back! Maybe Nall's a$$ is on the bench because he CAN'T make that play. Losman's 4th quarter TD throw was the difference in the game, get over it. But you just go ahead and keep touting Craig Nall, he was quite the difference maker today. 825786[/snapback] 8/15 102yds 1TD, half of those totals came on one throw. Scrub those balls good!
1billsfan Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 8/15 102yds 1TD, half of those totals came on one throw. Scrub those balls good! 825794[/snapback] Yeah, because stats are always more important than making the game winning TD throw. Were you dropped on your head as a kid?
Dan Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 The most important thing today was JP and the offense came through when they had to. How many times had they had the game and only had to get a first down and couldn't. Or needed a score to seal the game and couldn't. Today the game was tied, the Packers had the momentum and we needed something. That's exactly when JP through the TD pass. That's what we've been missing. Similarly, on the defensive side: how many games have they done exactly what they did today; only to give up that game tieing score. Rather today they got the interception and long return. The most surprising thing today.... they did what they had to.. WHEN they had to. That fact should not be understated.
nero47 Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 I could have made that pass. I'm not asking for Manning #s, just progress. He can't even manage a damn game. 825546[/snapback] just saw the replay. I would like to see you or nall make that play as you are about to get drilled like JP did.
zow2 Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 JP made one good play and Royal dropped another one. Other than that JP looked lost. He threw at guys feet, badly misread a pass that should have gone to Royal when we were inside the 5 on the opening drive and generally did nothing to show me he is even a marginal QB. JP would be 2nd or 3rd string on most teams. I root for the guy but the stats don't lie. He actually had some nice pocket time on a few plays today and did zippo.
Ramius Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 Let me get this straight. JP puts up big numbers, in the jets game, but he sucks because he cant lead us on the game tying TD drive. Today, JP puts up crappy numbers, but with the game on the line halfway through the 4th quarter, he stands in the pocket and delivers a TD strike to evans, which is the winning score. But he sucks because he didnt put up big numbers. Got it. I swear, Midol ® should be the official sponsor of two bills drive.
Dan Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 Let me get this straight. JP puts up big numbers, in the jets game, but he sucks because he cant lead us on the game tying TD drive. Today, JP puts up crappy numbers, but with the game on the line halfway through the 4th quarter, he stands in the pocket and delivers a TD strike to evans, which is the winning score. But he sucks because he didnt put up big numbers. Got it. I swear, Midol ® should be the official sponsor of two bills drive. 825838[/snapback] Yep that sums it up. The only thing JP can do that will make many of these idiots happy is sell his house and leave town. Then they'll get another QB to rag on and call out for not catching his own passes after he blocks the blitzing db.
colin Posted November 5, 2006 Posted November 5, 2006 i'm not saying that we should pull jp, not unless he REALLY stinks it up early next week, but i am saying i'm nearly convinced he is no good. he is just not effective as an NFL QB. the only 2 things he has shown any ability on is running and the deep bomb. he had one solid play all day today. he doesn't see open targets and is a very poor quarterback when it comes to the blitz. he has looked good once or twice in his life, but has regressed since early in the season and frankly i don't see how he is going to make our team better. his best games come when he does less damage than positive plays (as opposed to going out and taking the game over) and that just isn't good enough. couple that with the fact the he is NOT steady, is just a fool when getting blitzed, and lacks touch on short passes and you have a QB that i think we are just about ready to throw on the scrap heap. i really hope he is better than this and i am wrong, but he has shown me no more than guys like bollinger, holcombe (who i really don't want to start) harrington and other straight average caretaker qbs
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted November 5, 2006 Author Posted November 5, 2006 I love it. JP played bad, the O-line played bad, the receivers dropped balls, Willis leaves in first series. Conclusion: JP sucks bench him. JP finally does something. Stands in till the last possible second with a defender right in his face and throws a 40 yard pass without being able to step into it. Touchdown. JP still sucks, anyone could have made that pass. Beautiful. Talk about not being able to do anything right. 825634[/snapback] I have been the biggest JP apologist before today. I am just sick and tired of watching this offense sputter. No it is not at all completely JPs fault that this offense sucks, but as the QB he has to take some of the blame. As a fan and someone who knows a little bit about football, I see other QBs that have the exact same amount of time in the league doing much more impressive things at this point. Yes coaching is a problem, but we've already been through one coaching staff with JP and we have to stick with this one for a little while just to see how it works out. I was really happy at how JP started the season, but the turnovers (bravo on none today) have become a real issue, and its not just INTs its his inability to protect the football while being hit and when he scrambles. Again, completely his fault? No. But at some point he has to be held accountable for the problems, I hope he proves me wrong by making big strides by the end of the season and he's a stud for a long time, but i really think this is his last season in Buffalo unless he shows some real progress over the next few games. I hope i get to eat some serious crow but I just don't see him as being successful in the NFL. Nice job on that one pass though, and i'll keep rocking my JP jersey until he's off this team. If the receivers weren't open and he had no time, what should he have done differently? I don't want him forcing the ball into coverage. 825725[/snapback] Throwing the ball away would be nice. He has held the ball too long all season taking sacks that could be avoided by throwing the ball away. I don't claim to see the entire field from my TV like the rest of you who happen to have the super wide screen TVs that allow you to see that no WRs are ever open.
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