Buffalo Baumer Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 I really wish that I could see the good in JP but I just can't blindly hope for it anymore. The two things that I look forward to most regarding the Bills are the offseason (with a lot of $$ to spend) and getting a look at Craig Nall before the season is over. I think it is an absolute MUST to give Nall at least the last 4 weeks of the season so management knows what to do for the 07 season. The chances of Nall being better than JP might be slim but don't you want to know? I just don't have the same connection with this team as I have in the past and I truly believe it is the aura that surrounds Losman. That might sound weird but it is true. Doesn't it make it a lot easier to get behind the team when you connect with it (and no, it does not always have to do with winning.) There is no personality with this group and the absence of leadership just makes this team look like a bunch of guys with zero passion.
RuntheDamnBall Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 Five losses and the sky is falling. You guys are ridiculous. Have fun "routing" against your own team. I'm sure you might be able to score some seats at Foxboro from a friend.
Movinon Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 I really wish that I could see the good in JP but I just can't blindly hope for it anymore. The two things that I look forward to most regarding the Bills are the offseason (with a lot of $$ to spend) and getting a look at Craig Nall before the season is over. I think it is an absolute MUST to give Nall at least the last 4 weeks of the season so management knows what to do for the 07 season. The chances of Nall being better than JP might be slim but don't you want to know? I just don't have the same connection with this team as I have in the past and I truly believe it is the aura that surrounds Losman. That might sound weird but it is true. Doesn't it make it a lot easier to get behind the team when you connect with it (and no, it does not always have to do with winning.) There is no personality with this group and the absence of leadership just makes this team look like a bunch of guys with zero passion. 821898[/snapback] Rudy, that you?
IDBillzFan Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 Doom, despair and agony on me. Deep, dark depression. Excessive misery. If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all. Doom, despair and agony on me. You're as pathetic a sad sack poster as Rudy ever hoped to be. Grow a nutsack and give it a rest, wouldja?
Buffalo Baumer Posted November 1, 2006 Author Posted November 1, 2006 Five losses and the sky is falling. You guys are ridiculous. Have fun "routing" against your own team. I'm sure you might be able to score some seats at Foxboro from a friend. 821902[/snapback] With this team being light years from a playoff run, what is so wrong to hope for a change for the better or at least a chance to see an improvement. Hoping for a change in one position is far from wishing the team goes down in flames. This season is already over so why not take a look at all the different options. I think it is a great idea that they are grooming Peters at Left Tackle. Fix as many problems possible before the end of the year. If Losman ends up AT LEAST showing improvement over the next 4 weeks then fine. He is not maturing but regressing - is that a good sign?
todd Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 Most intelligent people realize quarterbacks take quite a while to develop. The best way to stunt JPs development is to sit him down. Get a grip, get a sack, and get some perspective. With this team being light years from a playoff run, what is so wrong to hope for a change for the better or at least a chance to see an improvement. Hoping for a change in one position is far from wishing the team goes down in flames. This season is already over so why not take a look at all the different options. I think it is a great idea that they are grooming Peters at Left Tackle. Fix as many problems possible before the end of the year. If Losman ends up AT LEAST showing improvement over the next 4 weeks then fine. He is not maturing but regressing - is that a good sign? 821910[/snapback]
Buffalo Baumer Posted November 1, 2006 Author Posted November 1, 2006 Doom, despair and agony on me.Deep, dark depression. Excessive misery. If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all. Doom, despair and agony on me. You're as pathetic a sad sack poster as Rudy ever hoped to be. Grow a nutsack and give it a rest, wouldja? 821908[/snapback] Have you ever had an original thought or does your blind faith restrict that? It's a message board you moron - get a grip
RuntheDamnBall Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 With this team being light years from a playoff run, what is so wrong to hope for a change for the better or at least a chance to see an improvement. Hoping for a change in one position is far from wishing the team goes down in flames. This season is already over so why not take a look at all the different options. I think it is a great idea that they are grooming Peters at Left Tackle. Fix as many problems possible before the end of the year. If Losman ends up AT LEAST showing improvement over the next 4 weeks then fine. He is not maturing but regressing - is that a good sign? 821910[/snapback] Now I get it. What the hell, nothing is working on defense, so why not start DiGiorgio over Spikes and Jason Jefferson over Schobel? To be serious, I think you make the O-line moves to see if they help your QB. If part of JP's problem is play under duress, perhaps this helps. If he continues to make bad decisions, you re-evaluate. If his most egregious decisions remain getting blindsided immediately following the snap count, I just don't think that's a fair shake. We know what Holcomb gives us and they're obviously not certain that Nall is the guy. If they were, he'd be #2 and competing in practice. The whole point is that the coaches see patterns in practice and need to translate them to the field. Obviously not enough of that is happening, but there is something happening in practice that says JP is the better guy, or the rest of the competition is not good enough to supplant him.
IDBillzFan Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 Have you ever had an original thought or does your blind faith restrict that? It's a message board you moron - get a grip 821917[/snapback] A person who keeps posting the same nonsense about how bad things are, and how miserable you are because of all if it, accusing someone else of not having an original thought? That's beautiful, man.
pBills Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 I can almost see your point. I have always hoped for the best in JP and he seeed like he was turning the corner during the first few games. Then and now it seems like he's regressing. Which scares me a bit. Will he ever get it? How much longer do we have to wait on this kid? Being a Notre Dame and Quinn fan... I'm starting to lean that way. Of course, I will give JP a few more games. If he continues to regress. Make the change to Nall, see what he can do and then draft Quinn. But NEVER cheer against the Bills.
Buffalo Baumer Posted November 1, 2006 Author Posted November 1, 2006 A person who keeps posting the same nonsense about how bad things are, and how miserable you are because of all if it, accusing someone else of not having an original thought? That's beautiful, man. 821962[/snapback] First of all, I would never let THIS team make me miserable. It's called reality. I'll let you get back to your highlite tapes now.
apuszczalowski Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 Will he ever get it? How much longer do we have to wait on this kid?Being a Notre Dame and Quinn fan... I'm starting to lean that way. Of course, I will give JP a few more games. If he continues to regress. Make the change to Nall, see what he can do and then draft Quinn. But NEVER cheer against the Bills. 821967[/snapback] I would be willing to put money down that no matter how bad JP plays the rest of this season, Buffalo does not draft Quinn, they would bring in a late draft pick QB and some FA QB's first, before starting over again with an inexperienced rookie. That would only set them back in the rebuilding process which is something no one wants them to do
Chilly Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 lol, you're going to hope that players on your own favorite team don't develop into good NFL players? What the hell are you doing that for?
BillsFanForever19 Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 Mike Schopp? J.P. Losman must and will have this entire season. I don't care if that means we lose every game. We need to know going into this offseason and draft whether or not we need to be looking elsewhere. I too am a big Brady Quinn fan. But at no time should you be rooting against J.P. Losman and the Bills. It would be MUCH easier for this team if Losman works out. Unfortunately, I am having a hard time seeing it as well.
Dan Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 Actually, I'm feeling somewhat connected to the aura surrounding Losman. So, I'm feelin the team more and more. Maybe that's the coaches delimma; they haven't perfected the aura meter just yet. Seriously though... JP is not going anywhere soon. Everyone saying he's regressing, let's give Nall a shot; let's draft a QB - you're not watching the games and, more importantly, you're not listening to te head coach. Jauron has said repeatedly, he has to be patient with JP. More recently, he's said JP needs to correct his mistakes, but he's "going to be good". Clearly, Jauron likes JP (maybe he connects with his aura). He see's him progressing. And he's decided to give JP ample time to develop. So, everyone needs to just realize these facts and learn to live with it. If you want JP gone, I'd suggest you start hoping for the caoching staff to be fired, because it seems to me they like the guy.
jdubs Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 Ok, I don't know how many times I have to say this. IT'S THE O LINE, NOT THE QB! ANYONE WHO'S GRADUATED 4TH GRADE CAN SEE THAT! Stop blaming everything on JP. Granted he has made some mistakes, and I'm in no way saying he's been great, but most of the fumbles you can blame on the horrible work on the O line. If we actually had a decent O line, I would bet $100 JP would be ALOT better and you would see a different record than 2-5. The Bills do not have 1 1st round pick on the line, and the last pro bowler we had was Ruben Brown WHO WAS DRAFTED 12 YEARS AGO! This line is horrible, and when people blame JP over blaming the O line, it just goes to show how much you don't know about football.
Fan in Chicago Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 I would be willing to put money down that no matter how bad JP plays the rest of this season, Buffalo does not draft Quinn, they would bring in a late draft pick QB and some FA QB's first, before starting over again with an inexperienced rookie. That would only set them back in the rebuilding process which is something no one wants them to do 822037[/snapback] I agree. Also, if a FA is brought in, it is unlikely to be a 'veteran' QB. Consider the lack of success of such QBs over last season and this one: McNair - benched for a while Drew Bledsoe - replaced Kurt Warner - replaced Brad Johnson - benched in last game Plummer - playing Plummer and perhaps Kitna are having limited success. Plummer's is directly attributable to the Shanahan machine which does not rely on any one player. To come to the point I want to make - even veterans are not going to put teams over the top and will serve as caretakers of an overall well-built team. We need to go this route - build the lines. Having done that, bringing in a veteran would be just to provide a security blanket which Nall may well be providing anyway.
34-78-83 Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 I especially love the fan and media claims that JP is not reading defenses. Sure, he has lapses where he gets uncomfortable and "locks on" to a receiver, but I guess it doesn't count if anyone else (like me for example) sees him scan through 2 to 3 options on most plays. They expect to see his head swivel back and forth across the whole field on every play, even when 2 reads may be on the same side of the field. I guess they also know what all of the pre snap reads are supposed to be. If this were really the case , I don't think you would see a 60+ completion percentage and passes usually distributed to 6 or 7 different receivers in most games.
Dawgg Posted November 1, 2006 Posted November 1, 2006 I don't care how badly JP plays. He has to take every single snap of every single game this season. Hopefully, at some point the light will go on. I really wish that I could see the good in JP but I just can't blindly hope for it anymore. The two things that I look forward to most regarding the Bills are the offseason (with a lot of $$ to spend) and getting a look at Craig Nall before the season is over. I think it is an absolute MUST to give Nall at least the last 4 weeks of the season so management knows what to do for the 07 season. The chances of Nall being better than JP might be slim but don't you want to know? I just don't have the same connection with this team as I have in the past and I truly believe it is the aura that surrounds Losman. That might sound weird but it is true. Doesn't it make it a lot easier to get behind the team when you connect with it (and no, it does not always have to do with winning.) There is no personality with this group and the absence of leadership just makes this team look like a bunch of guys with zero passion. 821898[/snapback]
Buffalo Baumer Posted November 1, 2006 Author Posted November 1, 2006 Ok, I don't know how many times I have to say this. IT'S THE O LINE, NOT THE QB! ANYONE WHO'S GRADUATED 4TH GRADE CAN SEE THAT! Stop blaming everything on JP. Granted he has made some mistakes, and I'm in no way saying he's been great, but most of the fumbles you can blame on the horrible work on the O line. If we actually had a decent O line, I would bet $100 JP would be ALOT better and you would see a different record than 2-5. The Bills do not have 1 1st round pick on the line, and the last pro bowler we had was Ruben Brown WHO WAS DRAFTED 12 YEARS AGO! This line is horrible, and when people blame JP over blaming the O line, it just goes to show how much you don't know about football. 822084[/snapback] Have you ever for once in your life considered the possibility that Losman AND the O Line are horrible. It has been known to happen a few times through NFL history - no, that would just be too inconceivable!!!!!!
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