DeLuca1967 Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 I am so tired of hearing about how we have to find out about JP Losman so it doesn't matter if the Bills go 2-14. There are 50+ other players on this team that deserv a chance to show what they can do and deserve a chance to win every week. Players like Lee Evans have to look at the stat sheet and wonder what his numbers could be if he had an actual NFL QB throwing him the Ball. But I guess it's OK to throw his season away because of Losman. And what about McGahee. What kind of numbers would he be putting up if the Bills had any type of threat in the passing game. Teams are stacking up against the run knowing Losman can't beat them. But again it's OK to throw his season away because of Losman. And don't forget about the defense. They held the Pats to 7 yards in the second quarter after a slow start. Yet Losman and the offense was unable to generate anything except short fields for their opponents. But again. It's OK to throw their seasons away because of Losman. It's time to start thinking about the other players on this team. Losman has been given enough rope to hang himself and he has done just that. It's also time to remember that there are other players on this team. And those players deserve a chance to win some games.
/dev/null Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 So what is it that you propose doing? 819476[/snapback] i think his plan is: Phase 1: Ditch Losman Phase 2: ??? Phase 3: Profit!
DeLuca1967 Posted October 29, 2006 Author Posted October 29, 2006 So what is it that you propose doing? 819476[/snapback] There are two other QB's on the roster. Maybe one of them can give the Bills a better chance to win. I'm not sure they would. I would like to see the Bills try rather than just say " hey, we spent a first round pick on this guy so we have to stick with him". I was listening to Joe D on WGR last Sunday. He makes a great point. Losman has never earned the chances he's getting right know. He's getting the chance because TD spent a first on him. If he was a third round pick he wouldn't be seeing the field. If Marv & Co. really wanted to start over then they should be prepared to cut bait with Losman. Losman has the physical skills but not the mental skills to play QB in the NFL. I don't see anything over the last 9 games changing. And the Bill should to be careful not to damage the development of other players over those 9 games. Losing becomes habit forming. They are teaching a roster of young players that's it's OK to lose.
MadBuffaloDisease Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 The Bills aren't losing solely because of JP. The QB gets too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. The fact is that offense is roughly 45% of the game, defense 45%, and ST's 10%. A QB therefore is only responsible for his 40%, if even considering there are other factors in his succes, like line blocking, WR's getting open, RB's picking up blitzers and rushing well, etc. And if you want to see Holcomb play, LMMFAO! That ship sailed LAST year. And Nall couldn't even convince the Packers to keep him, much less didn't show enough to beat-out JP and rise above 3rd on the depth chart.
Wacka Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 IT"S THE LINE STUPID!!!!!!!! Kelly, Marino, Manning, Farve, Montana, etc. would look the same behind the "o-line" we have.
DeLuca1967 Posted October 29, 2006 Author Posted October 29, 2006 The Bills aren't losing solely because of JP. The QB gets too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. The fact is that offense is roughly 45% of the game, defense 45%, and ST's 10%. A QB therefore is only responsible for his 40%, if even considering there are other factors in his succes, like line blocking, WR's getting open, RB's picking up blitzers and rushing well, etc. And if you want to see Holcomb play, LMMFAO! That ship sailed LAST year. And Nall couldn't even convince the Packers to keep him, much less didn't show enough to beat-out JP and rise above 3rd on the depth chart. 819488[/snapback] When and where did anyone say that Losman was the only reason the Bills are losing? Even with good QB play this is only a 5 or 6 win team. The topic on the table is JP Losman. Nothing else. You can try to deflect away from the topic but I wont let you. The play of JP Losman has gone from bad to worse. His decision making if regressing. And considering it wasn't at a high level to begin with is a grave cause of concern. Again. No one has said Holcomb or Nall are the long term answer. The point was that this mangament and coaching staff has a responibility to the other 50+ players not named Losman to give them the best chance to win next Sunday against the Packers. Losman does not give them that chance. This team now just plays and waits for the next big Losman mistake. They know it's coming and when it does the game is over. Emotion is a big party of football. And nothing drains that emotion more than a bad play that you are expecting. And please. Don't use the word "fact" then make up imaginary percentages. You know Marv always said special teams was 1/3 of the game.
Dan Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 So you want to put someone else in..who's not the answer, just to get another 2-3 wins?! What's the point of that? Wow, I'm sure Evans would be delighted to win those extra 2 games! Either way, he's not in the playoffs. You know what this entire thread is...
EC-Bills Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 I am so tired of hearing about how we have to find out about JP Losman so it doesn't matter if the Bills go 2-14. There are 50+ other players on this team that deserv a chance to show what they can do and deserve a chance to win every week. Players like Lee Evans have to look at the stat sheet and wonder what his numbers could be if he had an actual NFL QB throwing him the Ball. But I guess it's OK to throw his season away because of Losman. And what about McGahee. What kind of numbers would he be putting up if the Bills had any type of threat in the passing game. Teams are stacking up against the run knowing Losman can't beat them. But again it's OK to throw his season away because of Losman. And don't forget about the defense. They held the Pats to 7 yards in the second quarter after a slow start. Yet Losman and the offense was unable to generate anything except short fields for their opponents. But again. It's OK to throw their seasons away because of Losman. It's time to start thinking about the other players on this team. Losman has been given enough rope to hang himself and he has done just that. It's also time to remember that there are other players on this team. And those players deserve a chance to win some games. 819464[/snapback] Right. The rest of the team is playing perfectly and it's *just* JP blowing chunks. Moron.
EC-Bills Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 When and where did anyone say that Losman was the only reason the Bills are losing? 819512[/snapback] Oh I don't know, the title of your thread pretty much says it all.
IDBillzFan Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 Lee Evans dropped a sure touchdown pass last week. He should have caught it. He likely cost us the game. Why waste our time to see if he'll ever be good? There are 50 other guys who want to win, so let's try out the other receivers and see if they can make that catch. See how moronic we sound?
CFLstyle Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 Losman won the job in preseason for a reason, and it wasn't even close. Holcomb was terrible in preseason when he went against number one defenses, he was bad last year when he went in there for some time. Nall is no different than Losman - he's unproven and hasn't done anything in his career so far, I don't even think he's had a career start yet, Losman has more experience than Nall. It's easy to complain about Losman and throw him under the bus, but you have to consider: is there another option that's better? On this team, no there isn't.
MadBuffaloDisease Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 When and where did anyone say that Losman was the only reason the Bills are losing? Even with good QB play this is only a 5 or 6 win team. The topic on the table is JP Losman. Nothing else. You can try to deflect away from the topic but I wont let you. The play of JP Losman has gone from bad to worse. His decision making if regressing. And considering it wasn't at a high level to begin with is a grave cause of concern. Again. No one has said Holcomb or Nall are the long term answer. The point was that this mangament and coaching staff has a responibility to the other 50+ players not named Losman to give them the best chance to win next Sunday against the Packers. Losman does not give them that chance. This team now just plays and waits for the next big Losman mistake. They know it's coming and when it does the game is over. Emotion is a big party of football. And nothing drains that emotion more than a bad play that you are expecting. What have either Holcomb or Nall done to make you or anyone ELSE think that they'll succeed? Like I said, Holcomb's time as a starter is done. Inserting him for MAYBE a win or two does nothing for the team in the big picture ("wow, we beat the Packers with Holcomb starting!"). As for Nall, again the fact that he isn't the 2nd-string QB tells me he's not even as good as Holcomb, let alone JP. Again, the Bills' problems are NOT mostly on JP, and there is enough blame to go around on offense that a knee-jerk replacement of him is NOT the answer. The Bills took some steps this past week by shuffling the O-line and getting the players in better positions for success, both current and future. We'll see where that takes us first. Then we'll see if the bye week helps everyone on offense, defense, and ST's, who have ALL sucked this year, helps them work out some of the kinks. Remember that this is the first year of a new regime and schemes on offense and defense (there's no excuse for how the ST's are playing, though) and it takes more than an off-season to correct the problems of the past. And please. Don't use the word "fact" then make up imaginary percentages. You know Marv always said special teams was 1/3 of the game. Thanks for saying that. So that means that a QB is responsible for AT BEST 33% of the team's performance.
ExWNYer Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 I am so tired of hearing about how we have to find out about JP Losman so it doesn't matter if the Bills go 2-14. There are 50+ other players on this team that deserv a chance to show what they can do and deserve a chance to win every week. Players like Lee Evans have to look at the stat sheet and wonder what his numbers could be if he had an actual NFL QB throwing him the Ball. But I guess it's OK to throw his season away because of Losman. And what about McGahee. What kind of numbers would he be putting up if the Bills had any type of threat in the passing game. Teams are stacking up against the run knowing Losman can't beat them. But again it's OK to throw his season away because of Losman. And don't forget about the defense. They held the Pats to 7 yards in the second quarter after a slow start. Yet Losman and the offense was unable to generate anything except short fields for their opponents. But again. It's OK to throw their seasons away because of Losman. It's time to start thinking about the other players on this team. Losman has been given enough rope to hang himself and he has done just that. It's also time to remember that there are other players on this team. And those players deserve a chance to win some games. 819464[/snapback] Your avatar pretty much sums up how I felt after reading your inane drivel.
IDBillzFan Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 Your avatar pretty much sums up how I felt after reading your inane drivel. 819545[/snapback] His useless drivel aspires to be inane.
/dev/null Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 Your avatar pretty much sums up how I felt after reading your inane drivel. 819545[/snapback] His useless drivel aspires to be inane. 819547[/snapback] don't mean to single either of you out because you're not the first one's to do so, but i've noticed a disturbing trend lately. someone question's JP they automatically get flamed and labeled a JP hater
EC-Bills Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 His useless drivel aspires to be inane. 819547[/snapback] don't mean to single either of you out because you're not the first one's to do so, but i've noticed a disturbing trend lately. someone question's JP they automatically get flamed and labeled a JP hater 819553[/snapback] Probably because there are still games to played and no one knows what is going to happen. Let's see what happens as opposed to the idiots who think they know more than actual NFL people and are ready to jump off a cliff at the first sign of something going wrong.
Dan Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 His useless drivel aspires to be inane. 819547[/snapback] don't mean to single either of you out because you're not the first one's to do so, but i've noticed a disturbing trend lately. someone question's JP they automatically get flamed and labeled a JP hater 819553[/snapback] But this thread isn't about questioning JP... it's about benching him because he's the one reason why the team is throwing the entire season away. Big difference. There are many threads (and individual posts) that question JP and his play which are good and worthwhile. This, however, is not one of them.
generaLee83 Posted October 29, 2006 Posted October 29, 2006 i think his plan is: Phase 1: Ditch Losman Phase 2: ??? Phase 3: Profit! 819480[/snapback] Dude, I constantly have the theme from underpants gnomes in my head. One of the finest SP references ever on this board.
DeLuca1967 Posted October 29, 2006 Author Posted October 29, 2006 What have either Holcomb or Nall done to make you or anyone ELSE think that they'll succeed? Like I said, Holcomb's time as a starter is done. Inserting him for MAYBE a win or two does nothing for the team in the big picture ("wow, we beat the Packers with Holcomb starting!"). As for Nall, again the fact that he isn't the 2nd-string QB tells me he's not even as good as Holcomb, let alone JP. Again, the Bills' problems are NOT mostly on JP, and there is enough blame to go around on offense that a knee-jerk replacement of him is NOT the answer. The Bills took some steps this past week by shuffling the O-line and getting the players in better positions for success, both current and future. We'll see where that takes us first. Then we'll see if the bye week helps everyone on offense, defense, and ST's, who have ALL sucked this year, helps them work out some of the kinks. Remember that this is the first year of a new regime and schemes on offense and defense (there's no excuse for how the ST's are playing, though) and it takes more than an off-season to correct the problems of the past. Thanks for saying that. So that means that a QB is responsible for AT BEST 33% of the team's performance. 819543[/snapback] It has nothing to do with what Holcomb and Nall have shown. It's what I have seen and haven't seen from Losman. I know what I am going to get from Losman. I have and idea about Holcomb and know nothing about Nall. Now is the time to find out. I know Losman contributes nothing that gives this team a chance to win. It's time to find out about Nall and Holcomb. That way you tell the other 50 guys that you tried eveything to win as many games as possible.
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