In space no one can hear Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Bunkley not getting it done FYI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan888 Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 I did not want bunkley on our team. He did great in the combine but that was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 No tackles and no assists in 4 games. Back to you JSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 I was more of an Ngata person, how is he doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykat Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Looks like Bunkley's hanging in there with the five year veteran Larry Tripplett just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 It is a bit premature to judge him now. Who knows how good or bad he will be? Whitner may not get any better than what he is(though I very much doubt that) & in his 3rd season Bunkley could take off & be all-pro....who knows what will happen. Has it always been the way that even though everyone knows rookie usually take several years to develop that fans will judge them as success/failures after 3/5/7 etc games??? BTW....I was never a Bunkley lover & was pleased when we did not draft him....I just don't believe one can say "I told you so" until the fat lady sings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Bunkley not getting it done FYI 819187[/snapback] The Eagles defensive line is going off on their opponents, they are on pace for like 70 sacks. They expect more out of Bunkley, but he has shown the ability to dominate physically at the LOS. Hardly a bust, just not an instant star for a team that is getting huge production across the line. Plus his presence has motivated Darwin Walker who is playing at a Pro Bowl level. I'm thinking they aren't too broken up about the pick. In other news, at this point in their rookie seasons Mike Williams was starting for Buffalo and Bryant McKinnie was unsigned and certain ignorant Buffalo homers were sure that he was a bust. Donte Whitner is a good player, nobody felt he wouldn't be, but if you don't build a team from the lines outward, you end up like Buffalo with a team full of very capable edge/skill players that are looking bad and not making plays because the team is getting hammered at the LOS. In terms of getting players who are going to stick in the NFL, the Bills had a good draft. In terms of turning this team into a winner, I think they wasted a year by drafting like they were decorating the house instead of facing the reality that the foundation is sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 The Eagles defensive line is going off on their opponents, they are on pace for like 70 sacks. They expect more out of Bunkley, but he has shown the ability to dominate physically at the LOS. Hardly a bust, just not an instant star for a team that is getting huge production across the line. Plus his presence has motivated Darwin Walker who is playing at a Pro Bowl level. I'm thinking they aren't too broken up about the pick. In other news, at this point in their rookie seasons Mike Williams was starting for Buffalo and Bryant McKinnie was unsigned and certain ignorant Buffalo homers were sure that he was a bust. Donte Whitner is a good player, nobody felt he wouldn't be, but if you don't build a team from the lines outward, you end up like Buffalo with a team full of very capable edge/skill players that are looking bad and not making plays because the team is getting hammered at the LOS. In terms of getting players who are going to stick in the NFL, the Bills had a good draft. In terms of turning this team into a winner, I think they wasted a year by drafting like they were decorating the house instead of facing the reality that the foundation is sh*t. 819577[/snapback] However, also FYI, Winston Justice is again inactive for today's game and has also been a MAJOR disappointment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 McCargo has the sme stats as him and he is out for the season and was cheaper! Plus we got Whitner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 The Eagles' offensive line is very good. They can afford to take the time, let him sit and watch him develop. He will be a starter (and a good one) in 1-2 years. On this team, Justice would instantly become our second best lineman on offense. However, also FYI, Winston Justice is again inactive for today's game and has also been a MAJOR disappointment... 819631[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 The Eagles' offensive line is very good. They can afford to take the time, let him sit and watch him develop. He will be a starter (and a good one) in 1-2 years. On this team, Justice would instantly become our second best lineman on offense. Sure. Because teams make good OL players inactive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 The Eagles history of drafting linemen is extremely good. I think I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. Let's see where Justice ends up in 1-2 years. Youboty hasn't been active for a single game. That must mean he "sucks." And yes, he has had plenty of time to get in game shape and grasp the defense... Sure. Because teams make good OL players inactive. 819744[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 The Eagles history of drafting linemen is extremely good. I think I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. Let's see where Justice ends up in 1-2 years. Youboty hasn't been active for a single game. That must mean he "sucks." And yes, he has had plenty of time to get in game shape and grasp the defense... 819774[/snapback] I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. First, Justice isn't inactive because the Eagles have a surplus of quality OL. They tried to start him at tackle a couple of times in the preseason and he failed miserably. I've also read that he's out of shape and lethargic. The point is, the Eagles are getting zero production out of their first two picks. And while I too admire the Eagles' strategy of drafting as many DL and OL as they can with their higher picks in every draft, a good argument can be made that the Eagles have gone too far with this strategy at the expense of the skill positions. The Eagles have been unable to finish games this season and in years past because they lack a power runner. You're telling me the Eagles wouldn't have been better off drafting Lawrence Maroney? They would be undefeated right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 No tackles and no assists in 4 games. Back to you JSP. 819243[/snapback] Uh, Ngata. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 However, also FYI, Winston Justice is again inactive for today's game and has also been a MAJOR disappointment... 819631[/snapback] The point is the Bills do not place top priority on their lines. Yeah, they drafted McCargo, who was the "next best thing" after the prime DT's were off the board, but they had no choice, they were woefully thin at DT. It's like their attitude was, "yeah, we desperately need a DT, but let's see if we can get one more toy first". At some point, you have to start drafting or signing the best big men you can get, especially when you have a history of not being able to get valuable big people later in the draft under Modrak and co.. And don't get paralysis by overanalysis.....don't fall in love with Erik Flowers or Mike Williams or John McCargo in the offseason when there are other players who were clearly better on Saturdays. I mean, this team should have an offensive line with guys like McKinnie, Eric Steinbach and Nick Mangold on it, not Mike Gandy, Tutan Reyes and Mel Fowler. You're not going to knock guys like Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork off the ball with that bunch of scrubs. But no, God forbid we have to find another way to acquire a RB, CB or SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 The point is the Bills do not place top priority on their lines. Yeah, they drafted McCargo, who was the "next best thing" after the prime DT's were off the board, but they had no choice, they were woefully thin at DT. It's like their attitude was, "yeah, we desperately need a DT, but let's see if we can get one more toy first". At some point, you have to start drafting or signing the best big men you can get, especially when you have a history of not being able to get valuable big people later in the draft under Modrak and co.. And don't get paralysis by overanalysis.....don't fall in love with Erik Flowers or Mike Williams or John McCargo in the offseason when there are other players who were clearly better on Saturdays. I mean, this team should have an offensive line with guys like McKinnie, Eric Steinbach and Nick Mangold on it, not Mike Gandy, Tutan Reyes and Mel Fowler. You're not going to knock guys like Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork off the ball with that bunch of scrubs. But no, God forbid we have to find another way to acquire a RB, CB or SS. 819853[/snapback] I don't disagree with any of that. My point is that the Eagles have been successful by doing the opposite, i.e., focusing exclusively on their lines, however there is an argument to be made that they've taken that too far at the expense of the skill positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. First, Justice isn't inactive because the Eagles have a surplus of quality OL. They tried to start him at tackle a couple of times in the preseason and he failed miserably. I've also read that he's out of shape and lethargic. The point is, the Eagles are getting zero production out of their first two picks. And while I too admire the Eagles' strategy of drafting as many DL and OL as they can with their higher picks in every draft, a good argument can be made that the Eagles have gone too far with this strategy at the expense of the skill positions. The Eagles have been unable to finish games this season and in years past because they lack a power runner. You're telling me the Eagles wouldn't have been better off drafting Lawrence Maroney? They would be undefeated right now... 819823[/snapback] The Patriots can draft guys like Maroney because they took care of their D-Line in round 1 with guys like Seymour, Warren and Wilfork and got themselves extra picks understanding draft value. They've also been very good at identifying decent OL with early non-first round picks. They put their talent at the LOS on defense and then they fill in the rest with late picks,and veteran castoffs. The Bills do the exact opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 The Eagles history of drafting linemen is extremely good. I think I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. Let's see where Justice ends up in 1-2 years. Youboty hasn't been active for a single game. That must mean he "sucks." And yes, he has had plenty of time to get in game shape and grasp the defense... Justice is inactive while all-world OL like Nick Cole and Scott Young (who?! . Oh wait, Cole is an UDFA rookie and Young was a 2005 5th round pick) play. And why not say "let's see where Terrance Pennington, Aaron Merz, and Brad Butler end up in 1-2 years? As for Youboty, because of school exam schedules, injuries, and family problems, he's missed most of OTA's, training camp, and pre-season, while seasoned veteran DB's on the team haven't. Did Justice miss the same amount of time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Justice is inactive while all-world OL like Nick Cole and Scott Young (who?! . Oh wait, Cole is an UDFA rookie and Young was a 2005 5th round pick) play. And why not say "let's see where Terrance Pennington, Aaron Merz, and Brad Butler end up in 1-2 years? As for Youboty, because of school exam schedules, injuries, and family problems, he's missed most of OTA's, training camp, and pre-season, while seasoned veteran DB's on the team haven't. Did Justice miss the same amount of time? 819863[/snapback] It's a given that something is wrong with Justice. He has All Pro talent, but everyone knew he had serious character issues. Clear case of a guy who should have been drafted late so that he had to focus to earn his pay. That's not the case with Youboty, and as badly as Kiwaukee Thomas and Terrence McGee have been beaten this season, if Youboty doesn't get activated against Green Bay, coming off of a bye, it's time to scratch your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 If you actually look closer into their roster, you'd notice it's a simple numbers game. Nick Cole is a versatile lineman that serves as a backup center AND tackle, which allows them to essentially have one player cover 3 positions. Scott Young is a pure guard who can play some center as well But make no mistake -- if either tackle Runyan or Thomas gets injured, Winston Justice would be activated and starting. Any talk on this board that he is a bust is nonsense. On the Bills, Justice would be good enough to be a starter, and a good one at that. http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs...375/1002/SPORTS Justice is inactive while all-world OL like Nick Cole and Scott Young (who?! . Oh wait, Cole is an UDFA rookie and Young was a 2005 5th round pick) play. And why not say "let's see where Terrance Pennington, Aaron Merz, and Brad Butler end up in 1-2 years? As for Youboty, because of school exam schedules, injuries, and family problems, he's missed most of OTA's, training camp, and pre-season, while seasoned veteran DB's on the team haven't. Did Justice miss the same amount of time? 819863[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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