When will the Sabres lose?

[ExiledInIllinois]

Well, I'm certain that there was a certain contingent in the league offices that wanted an asterisk by the record (if they get it tonight) because of the 3 shootout wins.  TO has to be known for something besides white nameplates on white sweaters and blue on blue.

 

But, who's to say the Sabres wouldn't have done something different in OT to try to get the win if there weren't a shootout?  Considering the Sabres have one of the best, if not the best goalie at stopping breakaways, my guess is Lindy likes his chances when it becomes one on one and has no incentive to force the win in the "regular" OT.

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Kinda of OT here and not to hijack the thread ... How do SO's work?... That is... Say Biron starts and plays the whole 3 1/4 period... Does he have to go in net for the SO? Or can a team put in another goalie, say Miller?

 

???

 

[Dante]

Kinda of OT here and not to hijack the thread ... How do SO's work?... That is... Say Biron starts and plays the whole 3 1/4 period... Does he have to go in net for the SO?  Or can a team put in another goalie, say Miller?

 

???

 

 

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Probably more than you want to know but it answers your question. Check out the last paragraph. From wikipedia

 

Ice hockey

 

In ice hockey, a shutout is given to a team whose goaltender successfully prevents the other team from scoring and plays the entire game. The current record holder for most regular season career shutouts is Terry Sawchuk with 103 (See All-Time Regular Season Shutouts).

 

NHL Complications

 

For the 2005/2006 National Hockey League regular season the NHL adopted NHL Rule 89(b) shoot out format. If the game remains tied after 60 minutes regulation time have elapsed (a condition often referred to as a regulation tie), a short five minute sudden death overtime (OT) is played four-on-four (with one fewer skater on each side, which opens up the ice and promotes scoring). If the five minute OT does not determine a winner, the game goes into shoot out (SO). While the shoot out has been widely adopted in European leagues and International Hockey it was long resisted by conservative voices in Canada and America as an inferior method to end a hockey game.

 

In the first round of the shoot-out, each team is granted three shooters. The shooters alternate between teams. Like baseball, the game ends as soon as the outcome is certain. For example, if one team scores with both of their first shots and the other team is denied (does not score) on both of their first two shots, the game will end immediately because the outcome is certain, without the third shooters on either team getting a shot. If the shoot-out remains tied after the first three shooters on each team, the shoot-out enters a sudden-death format, with each round granting each team one more shooter.

 

Once the shoot-out is decided, the winning team is awarded a goal as part of their score. However, this goal does not count against the goaltender losing the shoot-out.

 

A shut-out shared between two goaltenders on the same team is credited to neither - the shut-out is only credited as a team shut-out.

 

In the exceptionally rare circumstance that a game ends in a regulation tie with a score of 0-0 (a double regulation shut-out), the shoot-out will result in the opposing goaltenders being awarded a shutout in a scoreless game decided in the shootout. This is true even if the winning goaltender allowed shoot-out goals. Such a case happened for the first time December 6 when the Calgary Flames and Philadelphia Flyers were scoreless through regulation and overtime. Mike Richards scored on Miikka Kiprusoff in the shoot-out, but both Kiprusoff and Philadelphia goaltender Antero Niittymäki were credited with shut-outs. Niittymäki did not allow a shoot-out goal.

 

Interestingly, a combination of the two scenarios is possible. In rare cases, teams send out their backup goaltender to face the shoot-out. Believing that rookie goaltender Mike Morrison 5-0 record in shoot-outs indicated he would be more effective than starter Ty Conklin, Craig MacTavish sent Morrison in off the bench for Conklin March 6 2006 to face the Dallas Stars. However, the Stars scored on both attempts and the Oilers were blanked on both their attempts. Dallas won the game 4-3. However, this was not a shut-out game for Conklin, and Morrison was credited with the regulation tie despite not having played a minute in regulation time.

 

Only the NHL head office knows for certain whether the goaltender who achieved the shut-out in regulation would be officially awarded a shut-out if his team's back-up goaltender enters the game and wins the shoot-out.

[BB27]

Sabres 3 - Islanders 0

 

Miller gets the shutout, and the Sabres go to 10 - 0

[bradjames24]

Sabres 3 - Islanders 0

 

Miller gets the shutout, and the Sabres go to 10 - 0

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What a team. The Sabres are everything the Bills wish they were....

[Bungee Jumper]

Probably more than you want to know but it answers your question. Check out the last paragraph. From wikipedia

 

Ice hockey

 

In ice hockey, a shutout is given to a team whose goaltender successfully prevents the other team from scoring and plays the entire game. The current record holder for most regular season career shutouts is Terry Sawchuk with 103 (See All-Time Regular Season Shutouts).

 

NHL Complications

 

For the 2005/2006 National Hockey League regular season the NHL adopted NHL Rule 89(b) shoot out format. If the game remains tied after 60 minutes regulation time have elapsed (a condition often referred to as a regulation tie), a short five minute sudden death overtime (OT) is played four-on-four (with one fewer skater on each side, which opens up the ice and promotes scoring). If the five minute OT does not determine a winner, the game goes into shoot out (SO). While the shoot out has been widely adopted in European leagues and International Hockey it was long resisted by conservative voices in Canada and America as an inferior method to end a hockey game.

 

In the first round of the shoot-out, each team is granted three shooters. The shooters alternate between teams. Like baseball, the game ends as soon as the outcome is certain. For example, if one team scores with both of their first shots and the other team is denied (does not score) on both of their first two shots, the game will end immediately because the outcome is certain, without the third shooters on either team getting a shot. If the shoot-out remains tied after the first three shooters on each team, the shoot-out enters a sudden-death format, with each round granting each team one more shooter.

 

Once the shoot-out is decided, the winning team is awarded a goal as part of their score. However, this goal does not count against the goaltender losing the shoot-out.

 

A shut-out shared between two goaltenders on the same team is credited to neither - the shut-out is only credited as a team shut-out.

 

In the exceptionally rare circumstance that a game ends in a regulation tie with a score of 0-0 (a double regulation shut-out), the shoot-out will result in the opposing goaltenders being awarded a shutout in a scoreless game decided in the shootout. This is true even if the winning goaltender allowed shoot-out goals. Such a case happened for the first time December 6 when the Calgary Flames and Philadelphia Flyers were scoreless through regulation and overtime. Mike Richards scored on Miikka Kiprusoff in the shoot-out, but both Kiprusoff and Philadelphia goaltender Antero Niittymäki were credited with shut-outs. Niittymäki did not allow a shoot-out goal.

 

Interestingly, a combination of the two scenarios is possible. In rare cases, teams send out their backup goaltender to face the shoot-out. Believing that rookie goaltender Mike Morrison 5-0 record in shoot-outs indicated he would be more effective than starter Ty Conklin, Craig MacTavish sent Morrison in off the bench for Conklin March 6 2006 to face the Dallas Stars. However, the Stars scored on both attempts and the Oilers were blanked on both their attempts. Dallas won the game 4-3. However, this was not a shut-out game for Conklin, and Morrison was credited with the regulation tie despite not having played a minute in regulation time.

 

Only the NHL head office knows for certain whether the goaltender who achieved the shut-out in regulation would be officially awarded a shut-out if his team's back-up goaltender enters the game and wins the shoot-out.

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I think he was asking about shoot-outs, not shut-outs.

[daquixers_is_back]

Well 9 of you were wrong ... and Atlanta just lost to Philly (i lost money on that) ...

[Bungee Jumper]

Well 9 of you were wrong ... and Atlanta just lost to Philly (i lost money on that) ...

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Why don't you just start your own "I lost money on Atlanta and Philly" thread? It'll be easier than posting it everywhere.

[daquixers_is_back]

Why don't you just start your own "I lost money on Atlanta and Philly" thread?  It'll be easier than posting it everywhere.

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Why is their a constant stick up your butt? I posted I lost money in ONE thread, and this thread I simply wanted to point out that 10+ people polled that we would lose to Atlanta and Atlanta lose to a bad Philly team and the reason I know (in parenthesis) is because I lost money on it.

 

Instead of being a jerk about it, you could simply ignore me ...

[Taro T]

Kinda of OT here and not to hijack the thread ... How do SO's work?... That is... Say Biron starts and plays the whole 3 1/4 period... Does he have to go in net for the SO?  Or can a team put in another goalie, say Miller?

 

???

 

 

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He could be replaced by Miller before the shootout begins. Once the shootout begins, the goalie can only be replaced if he gets injured.

[Taro T]

Probably more than you want to know but it answers your question. Check out the last paragraph. From wikipedia

 

Ice hockey

 

In ice hockey, a shutout is given to a team whose goaltender successfully prevents the other team from scoring and plays the entire game. The current record holder for most regular season career shutouts is Terry Sawchuk with 103 (See All-Time Regular Season Shutouts).

 

NHL Complications

 

For the 2005/2006 National Hockey League regular season the NHL adopted NHL Rule 89(b) shoot out format. If the game remains tied after 60 minutes regulation time have elapsed (a condition often referred to as a regulation tie), a short five minute sudden death overtime (OT) is played four-on-four (with one fewer skater on each side, which opens up the ice and promotes scoring). If the five minute OT does not determine a winner, the game goes into shoot out (SO). While the shoot out has been widely adopted in European leagues and International Hockey it was long resisted by conservative voices in Canada and America as an inferior method to end a hockey game.

 

In the first round of the shoot-out, each team is granted three shooters. The shooters alternate between teams. Like baseball, the game ends as soon as the outcome is certain. For example, if one team scores with both of their first shots and the other team is denied (does not score) on both of their first two shots, the game will end immediately because the outcome is certain, without the third shooters on either team getting a shot. If the shoot-out remains tied after the first three shooters on each team, the shoot-out enters a sudden-death format, with each round granting each team one more shooter.

 

Once the shoot-out is decided, the winning team is awarded a goal as part of their score. However, this goal does not count against the goaltender losing the shoot-out.

 

A shut-out shared between two goaltenders on the same team is credited to neither - the shut-out is only credited as a team shut-out.

 

In the exceptionally rare circumstance that a game ends in a regulation tie with a score of 0-0 (a double regulation shut-out), the shoot-out will result in the opposing goaltenders being awarded a shutout in a scoreless game decided in the shootout. This is true even if the winning goaltender allowed shoot-out goals. Such a case happened for the first time December 6 when the Calgary Flames and Philadelphia Flyers were scoreless through regulation and overtime. Mike Richards scored on Miikka Kiprusoff in the shoot-out, but both Kiprusoff and Philadelphia goaltender Antero Niittymäki were credited with shut-outs. Niittymäki did not allow a shoot-out goal.

 

Interestingly, a combination of the two scenarios is possible. In rare cases, teams send out their backup goaltender to face the shoot-out. Believing that rookie goaltender Mike Morrison 5-0 record in shoot-outs indicated he would be more effective than starter Ty Conklin, Craig MacTavish sent Morrison in off the bench for Conklin March 6 2006 to face the Dallas Stars. However, the Stars scored on both attempts and the Oilers were blanked on both their attempts. Dallas won the game 4-3. However, this was not a shut-out game for Conklin, and Morrison was credited with the regulation tie despite not having played a minute in regulation time.

 

Only the NHL head office knows for certain whether the goaltender who achieved the shut-out in regulation would be officially awarded a shut-out if his team's back-up goaltender enters the game and wins the shoot-out.

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Considering Kiprusoff was credited with a shutout for a game he lost in the shootout and considering that there are no individual statistics credited to players in the shootout (except for 1 goalie getting a win and the other getting a regulation tie, and those are given to the goalies that are in when the shootout winning goal is scored), I see no reason to think that a goalie that got a 65 minute shutout would then lose it by being replaced in the shootout.