BoondckCL Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 First of all, it's "perch" - and I am from lowly Elmira, NY - not Greenwich, CT. So you found some rap lyrics that are somewhat "uplifting" (I certainly would not call them that, though)... and you claim it is indicative of rap as a genre. Okay... got it. My point is that kids and others who live in ghettos or whatever kind of poverty and deprivation should look to EDUCATE themselves and develop some self-respect and sense of responsibility. I firmly believe that education is the great equalizer - and too many kids just toss it aside like it's nothing, while numbing their little brains with the negative incantations of their rapper heroes. Rap is perpetual wallowing in a condition of squalor and hopelessness. After a couple of decades, it's time to rise above that. Train and exercise minds to be MORE than that. Become shapers and leaders that nurture and inspire the best in human nature, not that which is twisted, depraved and base. Children in the ghetto would be better served to learn math, chess and debating. -Three Cheers for Bill Cosby And if rap has permeated society to the degree that little girls in Greenwich, CT debate whether they are more gangsta or ghetto... maybe it's time to move on. Stick a fork in it. 808487[/snapback] Now did i say anywhere in my post that rap was the best thing on the market? I am reading back through and i don't see anything. Was i defending modern rap? Looking through still and not seeing anything. What i was pointing out is that you waived your large wand of stereotypical nonsense and categorized all rap into meaningless things that you think hold little stature or meaning. I proved you wrong. I think someone like myself would have a better handle on what rap means to today's youth, and the youth's of the past, that have listened to it then someone like yourself who is more than likely a middle aged school teacher that sits in the teachers lounge, and debates with the rest of his colleagues about what the world is coming to. But has more than likely never set foot in a ghetto no less. I do agree on the other hand with what Cosby says. It is important that people educate themselves and stop buying into this rapping dream. But, would you be going as far as to say that people who have aspirations to become president need to stop dreaming as well, and that they should educate themselves in a career field that fits the molds and trends of the employment realm for the next 20 years? meazza is right. Get over yourself. I still say that you don't know what you are talking about, and that i still know a little more than you on the subject due to the fact that this whole argument boils down to age. When you listen to rap, all you may hear is niggaz and ho's, but just because you can't hear the other meanings around the lyrics, don't display your asininity by making bull sh-- comments like the ones you have posted so far. No study you bring up and no celebrity discussion could even give you a glimpse of the kinds of things that people like myself relate to in rap music. Go grade some mid term papers in the lounge.
Moose Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Oh please. FFS get over yourself. Music is far from educational... 808491[/snapback] I presume you mean "listening to music" - and when did I ever say it was? I think you missed the whole point. (Have you been listening to too much rap again?)
meazza Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 I presume you mean "listening to music" - and when did I ever say it was? I think you missed the whole point. (Have you been listening to too much rap again?) 808510[/snapback] Not really and to be honest, I listen to everything. Now, even worse, I'm insulted that an Italian like yourself could be so !@#$ing stupid.
BoondckCL Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Not really and to be honest, I listen to everything. Now, even worse, I'm insulted that an Italian like yourself could be so !@#$ing stupid. 808512[/snapback] That's a wee bit over the top.
meazza Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 That's a wee bit over the top. 808525[/snapback] It's 11:20 PM and I'm stuck at work and I'm in a sh------- mood... but yeah ignorance bothers me. Sorry Moose.
BoondckCL Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 It's 11:20 PM and I'm stuck at work and I'm in a sh------- mood... but yeah ignorance bothers me. Sorry Moose. 808527[/snapback] Agreed on the ignorance part. The best part is that he is probably looking up a case study or looking for a comment made by someone else with a PhD. The problem is that the answer certainly won't be found there.
meazza Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Agreed on the ignorance part. The best part is that he is probably looking up a case study or looking for a comment made by someone else with a PhD. The problem is that the answer certainly won't be found there. 808529[/snapback] He's a She.
BoondckCL Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 He's a She. 808531[/snapback] Is that a Terry Glenn thing or a fact?
Moose Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Now did i say anywhere in my post that rap was the best thing on the market? I am reading back through and i don't see anything. Was i defending modern rap? Looking through still and not seeing anything. What i was pointing out is that you waived your large wand of stereotypical nonsense and categorized all rap into meaningless things that you think hold little stature or meaning. I proved you wrong. I think someone like myself would have a better handle on what rap means to today's youth, and the youth's of the past, that have listened to it then someone like yourself who is more than likely a middle aged school teacher that sits in the teachers lounge, and debates with the rest of his colleagues about what the world is coming to. But has more than likely never set foot in a ghetto no less. I do agree on the other hand with what Cosby says. It is important that people educate themselves and stop buying into this rapping dream. But, would you be going as far as to say that people who have aspirations to become president need to stop dreaming as well, and that they should educate themselves in a career field that fits the molds and trends of the employment realm for the next 20 years? meazza is right. Get over yourself. I still say that you don't know what you are talking about, and that i still know a little more than you on the subject due to the fact that this whole argument boils down to age. When you listen to rap, all you may hear is niggaz and ho's, but just because you can't hear the other meanings around the lyrics, don't display your asininity by making bull sh-- comments like the ones you have posted so far. No study you bring up and no celebrity discussion could even give you a glimpse of the kinds of things that people like myself relate to in rap music. Go grade some mid term papers in the lounge. 808505[/snapback] Ooo... such thinly-veiled hostility! I guess I'm just too decrepit to be able to hear the subtle inspirational and uplifting nuances of rap, or to understand how the youth of today is elevated to a higher level of enlightenment by listening to it. I can only take comfort that I know how to properly use apostrophes and can differentiate between "than" and "then". Curse my useless Elmira education!!!!
meazza Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Is that a Terry Glenn thing or a fact? 808533[/snapback] It's a fact.
Moose Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Not really and to be honest, I listen to everything. Now, even worse, I'm insulted that an Italian like yourself could be so !@#$ing stupid. 808512[/snapback] How do you know I'm Italian?
BoondckCL Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Ooo... such thinly-veiled hostility! I guess I'm just too decrepit to be able to hear the subtle inspirational and uplifting nuances of rap, or to understand how the youth of today is elevated to a higher level of enlightenment by listening to it. I can only take comfort that I know how to properly use apostrophes and can differentiate between "than" and "then". Curse my useless Elmira education!!!! 808534[/snapback] That's the best you got? Like i am really trying to gramatically master the English language when i am shootin' the sh-- with people like you. Come on, i was hoping for something good.
meazza Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 How do you know I'm Italian? 808537[/snapback] I know everything my dear. It says under your wallpapers.
Moose Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 I know everything my dear. It says under your wallpapers. 808539[/snapback] Oh, how sweet! And do you have a nice Italian name like Tony or something, meazza? (I'm only half Italian, on my Papa's side, BTW.)
meazza Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Oh, how sweet! And do you have a nice Italian name like Tony or something, meazza? (I'm only half Italian, on my Papa's side, BTW.) 808546[/snapback] My mom's last name is Mazza. My dad's last name is Mea. The name Meazza is from a soccer player named Giuseppe Meazza who played for Internazionale Milan and won 2 world cups during Mussolini's reign as dictator. Ya my name is Anthony, I hate the name Tony lol
Moose Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 That's the best you got? 808538[/snapback] Yes, I'm afraid so because it's WAY past my bedtime and I'm exhausted now. (I'm up a 5 AM on school days.) It's been fun messing with you for a few posts, Boondck! Only take half of what I say seriously (you decide which half.) Good night, sweetie!
BoondckCL Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Yes, I'm afraid so because it's WAY past my bedtime and I'm exhausted now. (I'm up a 5 AM on school days.) It's been fun messing with you for a few posts, Boondck! Only take half of what I say seriously (you decide which half.) Good night, sweetie! 808552[/snapback] Same here. The majority of the stuff i say is nonsense. Have a good night.
Moose Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Ya my name is Anthony, I hate the name Tony lol 808548[/snapback] WOW - It was just a wild guess! I'll be sure not to call you Tony. Good night, Anthony.
H2o Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Yeah, rap is pure misogynistic poetry talking about niggaz and HOs and rods and all other things uplifting. It's right up there with Angelou, Yeats, Browning, Tennyson and Lord Byron. And all those fools in the ghetto are pinning their hopes and aspirations on becoming rap or basketball stars someday - instead of studying and trying to really lift themselves above the crowd. I work in a public school in affluent Greenwich, CT. Last year, I overheard two little blonde-haired sixth-graders talking about whether they were more "gansta" or "ghetto". Hopefully, this means that rap, the ART FORM (base though it may be), has finally "jumped the shark!" 808340[/snapback] It's all in what you've lived and seen in life. How you've grown up. I'm not going to try and generalize your childhood or family state by your comments, but I know you've probably never lived in a situation like the verse that I typed out in my last post. Not everyone grows up in an enriching environment. You adapt to your surroundings, try to make it, and always aspire for better than what you already have. Realistically, rap or sports IS the only way out for alot of these kids. If you're too blind to see how the public school sytems are run in the "ghetto" areas then you are a fool. They could give one big s#*# about these kids or what they become in life. So they learn more from the streets than in the classroom and live the only way that they know how.
inkman Posted October 18, 2006 Posted October 18, 2006 Tupac's rap consists of drinking, sex, and drug use...807431[/snapback] Seems to me that Tupac would speak more to you. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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