1billsfan Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Jaroun doesn't put on pads and hit. The plans were not great, but our trench players are not up to par. We need some weight on the Nose and some BIG Otackles, like Wolford and Ballard. THAT is the major difference and shortcoming this team has. 805708[/snapback] Do you honestly believe that Detriot is that much better talent-wise in the trenches than the Bills? The Bills had as good or better talent in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Yet the Bills were thoroughly dominated on the line all day long. This loss gets hung on a head coach who did not have his team prepared. It was such a bad coaching job he should be apologizing for his team's performance. There was no excuse for the Bills to be dominated by a weak, injury-riddled 0-5 team like that. It was embarassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Do you honestly believe that Detriot is that much better talent-wise in the trenches than the Bills? The Bills had as good or better talent in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Yet the Bills were thoroughly dominated on the line all day long. This loss gets hung on a head coach who did not have his team prepared. It was such a bad coaching job he should be apologizing for his team's performance. There was no excuse for the Bills to be dominated by a weak, injury-riddled 0-5 team like that. It was embarassing. 805835[/snapback] Good Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Do you honestly believe that Detriot is that much better talent-wise in the trenches than the Bills? The Bills had as good or better talent in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Yet the Bills were thoroughly dominated on the line all day long. 805835[/snapback] Considering their oline is injured Id say Id agree there but man dont even try to convince me that triplett/anderson/schobel/kelsay are better then shaun rogers/Cody/James Hall/Kallimba Edwards. We're horribly weak along the defensive line, outside of schobel we have no legit starters on the dline at all. Both the dline and oline are in serious need of upgrades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 How many times on 3rd down did we run routes that were short of the first down marker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 As for who to throw the blame on. I'll throw it on steve fairchild and the offensive game plan. It's a case of looking at the stats. I thought we were going to see an offense dedicated to running the football so after averaging 25+ carries through the first 4 games in the last 2 willis is averaging 15 carries the last 2. I thought we'd see a lot more commitment to the run, then we saw today. Why they're putting the outcome of games in the hands of losman instead of giving the rock to Willis, keeping the offense in manageable down and distance and letting losman just manage the game baffles my mind. After years of hearing "Commitment to the run game" it would be nice for once to see it instead of lip service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Do you honestly believe that Detriot is that much better talent-wise in the trenches than the Bills? The Bills had as good or better talent in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Yet the Bills were thoroughly dominated on the line all day long. Yes I do believe the Lions have more talent on both lines. I'll take their combined 130 career sacks vs. our 80(50 from Schobel) any day. I know, I know stats don't matter thats why they play the game. Well the game was played today and it looks like they are still better then us. As far as the Oline goes we have Peters, Preston and then 3 rejects. I'm not so sure we have much talent in the trenches at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 How many times on 3rd down did we run routes that were short of the first down marker? 805846[/snapback] A LOT! One I think was by Evans. I think we needed 4 yards to get a first down on 3rd down and he only got 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaLee83 Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 In contrast, I think the coaching staff sh-- the bed this week. 805578[/snapback] I agree on this one. The zone coverage on WR's is not being executed properly (cover 2) or the defensive philsophy itself has been exposed and it's weaknesses are glaring to other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 I agree on this one. The zone coverage on WR's is not being executed properly (cover 2) or the defensive philsophy itself has been exposed and it's weaknesses are glaring to other teams. 805986[/snapback] I believe the proper term for our pass coverage scheme is (open 2), as in: at least 2 enemy receivers are open at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick in* england Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Woody Ribbeck is to blame. He had us in the all-white uniforms, which are a guaranteed loss. Need to mix and match more - where was the halftime adjustment?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Eric Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 The entire o-line. Jp is not the problem. It's mainly Gandy I think. He can't block well. I've been saying it ever since we got him, he not a quality starter. 805535[/snapback] I am seeing a lot of o-line bashing this morning, and rightly so. During the Johnson and Bledsoe "eras" the line was equally as bad - if not worse - and the blame was placed on the QBs to the point they were run out of town. What has changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Hopefully we won't run him out of town... not yet at least. Give him protection and see what he can do. One thing I wish I would see from JP though is that QB fire. With that I mean, other QBs if getting blasted during a game will get in their lines face and tell them to flat out get their sh-- together. Best one is Plummer... I have seen so many films on him just bashing a lineman during a game, letting them know they are not getting it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 One I think was by Evans. I think we needed 4 yards to get a first down on 3rd down and he only got 3. 805961[/snapback] And there was at least one other by Evans where he ran the route short of the marker. Lee knows better than that. Plays like this showed me these guys didn't show up to play yesterday. This was a complete team loss...Losman just won't get rid of the ball when he should (nor can he hang on to it when he's hit), the DL can't pressure the QB, the OL can't block, the CBs let Roy Williams and Kevin Jones run wild, and the WRs couldn't catch the ball. This team has scored 20 points once all year, which tells me the offense has a lot of work to do. What I'm hoping for is Losman to keep playing and keep learning so he can get some consistency with the OL he has. I hope Jauron & Fairchild understand that, also. The Bills won't be going anywhere this year, so they might as well have everyone take their lumps....and get rid of those God-awful ugly white jerseys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boltuprite Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Ralph Wilson. He hired the previous regime of Tom Donahoe and his genius coaches. Now after wasting 5 years by not addressing this teams key weakness (the lines) we are reaping what has been sowed. Levy had inherited a sub-par football team and it will take a few more years to turn it around. Until the lines improve, no matter who you put at QB running back etc. ecpect them to struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HudsonValleyBillsFan Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Alex Rodriguez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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