cåblelady Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 do I need to wear a helmet to participate in this thread... 805699[/snapback] yep
ajzepp Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 do I need to wear a helmet to participate in this thread... 805699[/snapback]
Chilly Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 Also, perhaps its because several of the top rushers have had their buys; hence, they've played one less game. 805698[/snapback] Buys? Those running backs got hit with sir charges.
ajzepp Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 ok I will be back... 805704[/snapback] Why, is yours the wrong color with no chin strap??
JayFromDC Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 Risin would you agree that lack of awareness in the pocket and indecision would have taken away from your O-lines performance.
cåblelady Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 Risin would you agree that lack of awareness in the pocket and indecision would have taken away from your O-lines performance. 805711[/snapback] I'm not Risin, but I say the reverse is true.
Dan Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 Risin would you agree that lack of awareness in the pocket and indecision would have taken away from your O-lines performance. 805711[/snapback] What pocket are we talkin about? I can hardly recall a pocket. JP drops back and has 2 choices - immediately throw or run. He has about 2 seconds to make that decision before someone is on him. This is pretty much 90% of our pas attempts.
Dan Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 Come on now 90%, that's reaching 805723[/snapback] Sure it is, but I really don't have time (or the inclination) to watch the game and count it all up. But, I'm sure its a greater majority than times when there's a true pocket for him.
taterhill Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 Why, is yours the wrong color with no chin strap?? 805710[/snapback] had to hook up the mouthpiece..
Risin Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 Risin would you agree that lack of awareness in the pocket and indecision would have taken away from your O-lines performance. 805711[/snapback] I didn't have a great sense of "feeling" the rush if it came in quick, I relied on that internal clock, that said get rid of the ball. I've always felt that only the great QB's have that "sense", and I was far from great. In fact I think average would about sum up my career. (and I'm biased, haha) I don't envy JP at all, I usually had way more time to pass, and never got the decent results he has gotten. That is why I'm so quick to protect him, I can't imagine getting hit after just hitting my 5th step in the drop. (when I was blindsided that quickly, I did tend to fumble) Sure, poor pocket awareness and indecision will take away from your oline's performance, but there are a lot of cases where poor pass protection are the problem, and not JP's indecision. (believe me though, he is guilty a bunch of indecision, I think his pocket awareness is better then Drew's though) I'm not down on JP for his lack of awareness, as much as I am on his inability to complete the deep pass, when his line gives him adequate protection. I'm hoping with time he'll get it, but he needs to keep showing improvement. I was very disappointed with that sack right before the half, that was on him big time, and he still makes too many of them mistakes.
JayFromDC Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 But isn't that what makes the great QB's great is their ability to be able to make plays and improvise when the offensive lines protection has broken down??
Risin Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 But isn't that what makes the great QB's great is their ability to be able to make plays and improvise when the offensive lines protection has broken down?? 805747[/snapback] JP does that at times, but that doesn't make a QB great. (TD to Roscoe today comes to mind) Flutie did that all the time, and was far from great. There are tons of ways for QB's to be considered great. Some great QB's didn't have the ability to make the plays you speak of, but excel in other areas. There is no concrete formula to be considered a great QB, other then to be a big reason for your team winning games. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are great QB's, but with totally different skill sets. I don't think JP will ever be considered great, but he has the physical tools to be pretty darn good, if his mental talent ever catches up with his physical ability. I guarentee you, most QB's (even the great ones) would give their left nut to have JP's physical attributes.
JayFromDC Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 THe most important attribute is winning and he aint getting it done
Risin Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 THe most important attribute is winning and he aint getting it done 805756[/snapback] His team isn't helping either. There is a fine line. Marv and company are the "experts", I have faith they'll know when to pull the plug if/when it needs to be done.
Ramius Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 do I need to wear a helmet to participate in this thread... 805699[/snapback] stealing a line from aj, you are going to also need an industrial size bottle of windex with the amount of windowlicking in this thread. Hopefully the titanic in this thread follows the same fate as the previous titanic.
Wraith Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 THe most important attribute is winning and he aint getting it done 805756[/snapback] So cut the entire team then, they ain getting it done. Lets compare QB performances today: Losman 21/34, 207 Yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 1 FUM E.Manning 17/30, 180 Yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 1 FUM One quarterback beats 3-1 Atlanta 27-14, the other quarterback loses 20-17 to 0-5 Detroit. So what's the difference? As it turns out, and this is apparently surprising to a lot of you, when the rest of the team plays like crap, an average quarterbacking performance is going to look like crap as well. When the rest of the team plays alright, an average quarterbacking performance looks pretty good.
Orton's Arm Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 I couldn't see the game, but based on what those who DID see it are saying, the line was horrible, particularly Gandy....we need a line that is appropriately tough considering the fact that we are a cold weather team. 805607[/snapback] Since you didn't watch that game, I'll tell you about how I felt Losman played. I'll do my best to be unbiased . . . Positives: - Losman had a great pass to Roscoe Parrish. Detroit defenders came in from Losman's left, so he rolled out to his right. It looked like he might try running for a first down, but instead threw a nice long bomb to Parrish for a TD. - The other TD drive. That drive had a lot more to do with the Bills' passing game than with the running game. Losman clearly played well on that drive. I was a little distracted by the other people in the room, but it looked like the offense had been simplified, and that Losman was quickly throwing to his first or (at most) second read. - There were a few times when Losman used his athletic ability to scramble for some tough yards. If you just see the stats on the play by play, you won't realize how much speed was required to get those yards. Negatives: - Other than the above, Losman was generally ineffective. To get the feel of what this game was like, I'll mention a play which I consider representative. It was third and less than ten, and I think the Bills were in their own territory. Losman attempted a pass to a player who was several yards short of the first down marker. There was a defender right there, whose quick hit on the Bills player prevented a completion. But even had that pass been completed, that Bills player would almost certainly have been tackled shy of the first down marker. - For the most part, Losman was standard-issue ineffective. But there were a few plays which were worse than this. I remember one play where Losman threw a very short pass to McGahee in the flat. The pass should have been aimed at McGahee's stomach or his chest. Instead, McGahee had to extend himself vertically to catch that pass, which allowed a defender to absolutely destroy him. McGahee needed help to get off the field, but was later able to return. On the very next play, Losman threw a bad interception.
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