Ski-Whiz Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Again, this all falls under the "coulda, shoulda, woulda" saying, but that is my point. This game "coulda, shoulda, woulda" been closer IF the Bills don't make the DUMB mistakes they did early! That is all I'm saying! 799418[/snapback] I understand.. The thing that separates a good team from a bad one, a good team makes those plays.. A bad one doesn't. Now are the Bills bad? Not really, however with all the mistakes, it makes you see that you guys are young. I just don't see a different outcome. I just see the Bears coming back the same as always. The thing to remember, our team is used to coming from behind. All of our starters returned this year. So we know what it's like to play the close one.. The main reason for our explosive play, because of the comments that we aren't as good as our record.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 I understand.. The thing that separates a good team from a bad one, a good team makes those plays.. A bad one doesn't. Now are the Bills bad? Not really, however with all the mistakes, it makes you see that you guys are young. I just don't see a different outcome. I just see the Bears coming back the same as always. The thing to remember, our team is used to coming from behind. All of our starters returned this year. So we know what it's like to play the close one.. The main reason for our explosive play, because of the comments that we aren't as good as our record.. 799421[/snapback] Like I said, I don't know if the outcome would have been different. The Bears are the better team at this point. I just think the game would have been more competetive all the way through. The fact is that the Bills did kill themselves early with their mistakes. They hurt themselves and couldn't get out of their own way. If we make those same mistakes again, we will lose again. We deserve to lose when we make the DUMB plays we did. But what I am saying is that the Bills did not play at all like they have been early in the season today. They killed themselves very early and took themselves out of the game. But, if the Bills play up to their talent, the Bears are not 30 points better than the Bills......the game is much closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski-Whiz Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Well, like the Seahawks, the Bills had plays they could have made to help their play. Neither team did though.. I think the Bills might have scored a few more points, but the Bears D wears on ya. We did have two key DL out, which could have hurt. I just think the Bills need some more players to fill holes in the lineup. I think Gandy is a hole for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 Well, like the Seahawks, the Bills had plays they could have made to help their play. Neither team did though.. I think the Bills might have scored a few more points, but the Bears D wears on ya. We did have two key DL out, which could have hurt. I just think the Bills need some more players to fill holes in the lineup. I think Gandy is a hole for sure. 799433[/snapback] NO KIDDING.......This may have been Gandy's worst game as a Bill. He was awful. But then again, other than Perters at RT, our O-Line is all holes that should be improved. We get no push up front and there rarely are holes for Willis to run through. Believe it or not, but the Bills O-line is actually better than what they have been the last several years! The problem is, the unit as a whole still stinks. Same thing with our D-Line. Out DTs are so small they can't hold anyone at the point of attack. Neither of our starters (Triplett or Williams) weight over 300 lbs. WAY to small to stop the run. There are definately holes on this team, but most of it is our big men on both sides of the ball. But, I have been saying that for years now, but it still never gets addressed. You win and lose games at the line of scrimmage. Until the Bills realize this, they will be another average team that may do great things here and there, but won't be the contender they need to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 the unit as a hole 799446[/snapback] You got that right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I am not going to go on a huge rant here because it just is not worth it. The Bears are not as good as they showed today and the Bills are not as bad as they showed in this game.....799329[/snapback] I get the impression a lot of people do not realize the importance of confidence & momentum with a team. Combining what you are saying in this thread with your thread about the Defence...here...I feel you aptly show how our young team was overcome by the 'big event'. I know it was just a regular game but I'm sure the players all knew that if they managed to come away with a win against the #1(#2) team they would be on their way. This was a BIG game. This is not to take anything away from Chicago...they are one of the top teams & as somebody said, they made the plays when necessary....we did not. To me, you could see it early on....we were like the proverbial deer in the headlights....stunned & unable to physically act. IMO this sort of game is very important for young players. Next BIG match there will not only be the past experience of having been stunned before, there will be the knowledge that in the end the importance of the game(s) is not as high as initially perceived....i.e. if we come out next week & beat the Lions, we are back to 50% & about to host NE(another big game). The players(hopefully) will learn to play the opponents, & not the occasion. Mind you, I could be totally wrong & we might simply be doomed to regular inconsistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I get the impression a lot of people do not realize the importance of confidence & momentum with a team. Combining what you are saying in this thread with your thread about the Defence...here...I feel you aptly show how our young team was overcome by the 'big event'. I know it was just a regular game but I'm sure the players all knew that if they managed to come away with a win against the #1(#2) team they would be on their way. This was a BIG game. This is not to take anything away from Chicago...they are one of the top teams & as somebody said, they made the plays when necessary....we did not. To me, you could see it early on....we were like the proverbial deer in the headlights....stunned & unable to physically act. IMO this sort of game is very important for young players. Next BIG match there will not only be the past experience of having been stunned before, there will be the knowledge that in the end the importance of the game(s) is not as high as initially perceived....i.e. if we come out next week & beat the Lions, we are back to 50% & about to host NE(another big game). The players(hopefully) will learn to play the opponents, & not the occasion. Mind you, I could be totally wrong & we might simply be doomed to regular inconsistency. 799503[/snapback] BINGO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 And finally, this was the worst game I have seen our secondary play in a LONG time. Clemens and McGee were TERRIBLE. Clements couldn't tackle a slug. How many times did he play 10 yards off the receiever, the receiever catch a 3 yard pass and then run by Clements who WAS STANDING COMPLETELY FROZEN waving at the receiever as he went by?!!!!!! Clements may be the worst tackler I have ever seen (yes.....even worse than Primetime). At least Sanders made a play once in a while! Clements is a useless piece of trash right now. And McGee was no better. He gets beat on every double move he sees. Just terrible. 799329[/snapback] Clements looks like a guy playing not to get hurt so he can cash in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaLee83 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 And finally, this was the worst game I have seen our secondary play in a LONG time. Clemens and McGee were TERRIBLE. Clements couldn't tackle a slug. How many times did he play 10 yards off the receiever, the receiever catch a 3 yard pass and then run by Clements who WAS STANDING COMPLETELY FROZEN waving at the receiever as he went by?!!!!!! Clements may be the worst tackler I have ever seen (yes.....even worse than Primetime). At least Sanders made a play once in a while! Clements is a useless piece of trash right now. And McGee was no better. He gets beat on every double move he sees. Just terrible. 799329[/snapback] I like what you point out about Clements. His tackling has seldomly seemed average and most of the time he seems to be missing basic fundamental skills when it comes to tackling and pursuing receivers who have just made a catch. It's tough to make sense of his play this year, something seems very "off" about him, one would think that with this being a contract year for him he would be fired up every single game and not missing tackles (I counted at least 3 today during the "owning") I cannot see him getting a big contract after this season, it would make no sense for any team. What worries me most about this game today is that opposing QB's are finally going to start throwing the ball to Nate's side of the field more. It seems as if prior opposing QB's have kept their throws to a minimum in his direction as he is perceived as a shut down corner. I think this misconception died today along with the Bills run defense. Still, I'm a devoted fan and am not going to let this game get me down or piss me off. Things have been much worse in the past and I still think this team is going to improve big time by seasons end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjsbu96 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 And finally, this was the worst game I have seen our secondary play in a LONG time. Clemens and McGee were TERRIBLE. Clements couldn't tackle a slug. 799329[/snapback] A slug? Did the Bears come out wearing the new Sabres uni's in the 2nd half? Sorry, but I need humor in all of this somewhere. It is just not worth overanalyzing this game and I am actually glad to see nobody is overreacting. WonderJet had an awful game yesterday, Drew is on the brink again, and Manning didn't even rip apart the Flaming Thumbtacks. There's going to be weeks like this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 You left off the biggest play of the game. The fake punt try blew up in our faces, gave Chicago a short field and momentium. 799335[/snapback] That play and the one before it changed the momentum in the game. We have to be able to get a 1st down when it's 3rd and inches. We need bigger horses up front for that. Then that fake punt blew up and the momentum changed for good. Drop the freakin fake punt from the play book ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I like what you point out about Clements. His tackling has seldomly seemed average and most of the time he seems to be missing basic fundamental skills when it comes to tackling and pursuing receivers who have just made a catch. It's tough to make sense of his play this year, something seems very "off" about him, one would think that with this being a contract year for him he would be fired up every single game and not missing tackles (I counted at least 3 today during the "owning") I cannot see him getting a big contract after this season, it would make no sense for any team. What worries me most about this game today is that opposing QB's are finally going to start throwing the ball to Nate's side of the field more. It seems as if prior opposing QB's have kept their throws to a minimum in his direction as he is perceived as a shut down corner. I think this misconception died today along with the Bills run defense. Still, I'm a devoted fan and am not going to let this game get me down or piss me off. Things have been much worse in the past and I still think this team is going to improve big time by seasons end. 799518[/snapback] I'm not in a big hurry to re-sign Nate. I vote to draft his replacement and let Nate go ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Huh, hmm... Not taking anything away from the Bears, but earlier you say they are not as good as they played? Now you are clearly someone who has not seen any highlights, or watched any sports shows. This is EXACTLY the same game we have played 4 out of 5. Yeah one could say you missed plays, but making plays, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what separates the great teams from the bunch?? Yes the Bills messed up on some plays, but how many mistakes have we made this season?? We aren't perfect, but we just haven't made them. So how do you say we aren't that good? You saying you are almost as good as the Seahawks?? And you were luck to get the touchdown. 799363[/snapback] No one's taking any pride in the Bills' lone touchdown. They scored that in garbage time when the Bears had a huge lead and were giving their backups some reps. Just about any NFL team can score a TD in garbage time, it doesn't mean a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I stand by my comment that the Bears are not as good as they were today and the Bills are not as bad as they were today. They are beeter, but not 33 points better. 799391[/snapback] An NFL team is always going to be 33 points better when they can move the ball at will against their opponent. I thought that the Bills' secondary was going to be a strength this year but after this game, I'm really hoping that they were having an off day; they made the Bears' passing game look really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Clements looks like a guy playing not to get hurt so he can cash in. 799509[/snapback] Agreed, so let's put him on Punt returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 An NFL team is always going to be 33 points better when they can move the ball at will against their opponent. I thought that the Bills' secondary was going to be a strength this year but after this game, I'm really hoping that they were having an off day; they made the Bears' passing game look really good. 799821[/snapback] Why don't you credit the bears....May be their offense is just that good....Also, once Thomas was able to rip off 6 yards per carry, the defense had to put that extra man to stop the run and that opened up the bears passing game. And thanks to some shoddy work by the secondary, the bears made them pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadDad Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I never said we would have won the game, but there is no way we get beat by 33 points either. I think if we make this plays, we keep the game competetive instead of it being over by halftime. Those were game changing plays that killed the Bills spirit in this game and killed any hope the Bills had.I mentioned it in point 2. However, where as most fans want to rag on the coaching staff for the playcall, I won't do that. If Moorman is patient, he may still be running because the play was blocked VERY well. But, he left way too early and scred the play up. If he catches the ball and then takes off, the play works, no doubt. So, I will not blame the coaches for that one. You have to execute the play and they botched it from the start. Bad snap and Moorman was too impatient. If they execute it, we may not be having any of this conversation. Also, you have to remember my first point. If Losman hits Evans in the endzone, the fake punt never happens. Evans was open and you have to make those plays when you get the chance. Of course, when the Bills don't hit that pass, that eventually leads to the fake punt being botched. When it rains, it pours. 799344[/snapback] One thing I would like to add, if they would have simply gone with a QB sneak on 3rd they stood a much better chance of picking up the first. It was "inches" which then turned into a yard, which then turned into 6 yards. No problem going for it all on 2nd and inches, but then on 3rd and inches you have make certain that you get it. Even if he didn't make it on 3rd and inches he would have been 4th and inches, not 4th and a yard. Getting cute in these games against quality teams is getting us killed in games this season. If the idea was to make teams wonder or get them thinking, it's done, no need for more of the silliness this year. Play sound fundamental football,, don't give up on the run and see where we are at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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