Can't blame the O-line for this loss as they gave

[Bill from NYC]

Whatever. I'm not saying that he had the Hogs blocking for him but it was better than expected and certainly adequate. I mean we rushed only 4, rarely blitzed and Grossman was hit a couple of times in the first half and forced into a couple of passes that should have been picked off; was his pass protection so great? As far as run blocking and run D goes, I can see where some can shed bad light. But pass protection was not the reason this game was lost. Sure he got sacked and hit a few times but what QB doesn't?

 

It is the glass half empty half full theory. Some who want to bash JP will make it seem as if he sucks and will never amount to anything. Others will make up excuses and put the blame anywhere but on him or excuse him for being green which is understandable. But the game on Sunday, JP was given ample time to go through his reads on numerous occsaions and he just had a bad game. While he did get sacked, there was no constant pressure, man in his face, hitting him evertime he threw the ball like some claim. Blaming his poor play on the fact that he had no time in the pocket is absurd! I have seen games were protection was much worse. I'll bet Drew wish he had half the time in the pocket against the Eagles that JP had against the Bears!

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I didn't realize that your post was more about Losman than the blockers. My mistake.

 

I am not on the "Losman is the Savior" list, although it is hard to make a case that he has not improved. For this I am happy.

As for the OL, I will not give them credit for having a good game. The Bears ARE tough, and the Bills OL simply doesn't seem to be capable of playing against them.

 

Sometimes I forget that many here (not necessarily you) have never seen the Bills with a good OL, and games like this could appear to be OK.

Some teams built their OL first (Steelers and Colts to name 2), built their OL, then brought in the early round quarterback. This makes sense.

The Bills otoh drafted JP, and concentrated primarily on small "skill players" in the 2 subsequent drafts.

 

In summary, JP didn't thrill me vs. the Bears, but he was far from alone in playing poorly. I don't excuse him entirely, but the game was lost in the early stages. I am also glad that JP is mobile, because my biggest fear with JP is that he will get hurt before he shows us what he can do, and we will have to resume this ugly quarterback chase.

[tennesseeboy]

The fault for this game is this. THE BEARS WERE A MUCH MORE TALENTED TEAM. Great defensive line, great linebackers, great everything. If we do something bad against a team like that, we are going to pay dearly. And we did...every time we did something bad or someone did less everything possible. We should learn a lot from this game. Review...learn a thing or two...and forget about it. The O-line could have been better, JP could have done better, Peerless could have done better and our special teams could have done better. Nate could have done better. DJ could have coached better. Okay...lets do better this Sunday. Getting the shyt kicked out of you once in a while builds character.

[bluv]

I didn't realize that your post was more about Losman than the blockers. My mistake.

 

I am not on the "Losman is the Savior" list, although it is hard to make a case that he has not improved. For this I am happy.

As for the OL, I will not give them credit for having a good game. The Bears ARE tough, and the Bills OL simply doesn't seem to be capable of playing against them.

 

Sometimes I forget that many here (not necessarily you) have never seen the Bills with a good OL, and games like this could appear to be OK.

Some teams built their OL first (Steelers and Colts to name 2), built their OL, then brought in the early round quarterback. This makes sense.

The Bills otoh drafted JP, and concentrated primarily on small "skill players" in the 2 subsequent drafts.

 

In summary, JP didn't thrill me vs. the Bears, but he was far from alone in playing poorly. I don't excuse him entirely, but the game was lost in the early stages. I am also glad that JP is mobile, because my biggest fear with JP is that he will get hurt before he shows us what he can do, and we will have to resume this ugly quarterback chase.

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I wouldn't place all the blame at JP but against a good D the O-line held up better than expected. If I was told beforehand that the Bears would win 40-7 I'd expect a jailbreak by the Bears and 7 plus sackswith no ball movement whatsoever. For most of the game JP had ample time to throw the rock and we moved the ball . He shouldn't have force the passes that he did throw as he had our best receiver Lee singled up and open for most of the game. If he were more patient in that game and didn't give the Bears good field position by turning the ball over then that would have been a different game as the Bears would have had to adjust. We would probably still would have lost but not in the manner in which we did. Granted the D, especially run D wasn't great but Grossman tried many times to give us the ball back and we didn't grab the opportunity. By us dropping numerous picks and JP turning the ball over giving the Bears short fields the Bears could then stick with running the ball while we had to depart from our running game. Our DE's were providing pressure on the ends and if this game had been more competitive I believe Grossman would have allowed us to get back in the game.

 

And even when the Bills had a good O-line they still had those games; mainly against KC where they just looked terrible! I mean how many times did Derrick Thomas own Wolford back in the days? The O-line played awful in all the Super Bowls losses. My point is that they don't have to play great all the time just not stink the joint up. On Sunday, just like so far this season, while they weren't playing flawless like the rebirth of the Hogs, they haven't played so bad and stinking up the place either and while they can certainly be upgraded, they can't be soley blamed either. I'm a big JP supporter and want to see WM run well but I'm not blind either. WM danced too much in the first few games and JP has had decent pass protection these first 5 games. To throw the blame soley on the O-line is just masking and not admitting that these players have faults as well, need to improve and bring their best games to get full potential from the line. Once JP and WM become more consistent and come to play every game, this O-line has shown so far that they can average; block well enough for good skill positions to get the job done.