bluv Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Even opened a few holes for Willis later on. I was really suprised to see JP have as much time to throw as he did. This poor showing falls squarely on JP and all receivers not named Lee as well as poor coaching. I mean if the D had held the Bears in check maybe we could have snuck back in the game. The run D really disappointed me. Who was those who say we wouldn't or shouldn't miss Takeo. TAKEO COME BACK PLEASE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Even opened a few holes for Willis later on. I was really suprised to see JP have as much time to throw as he did. This poor showing falls squarely on JP and all receivers not named Lee as well as poor coaching. I mean if the D had held the Bears in check maybe we could have snuck back in the game. The run D really disappointed me. Who was those who say we wouldn't or shouldn't miss Takeo. TAKEO COME BACK PLEASE!!! 799130[/snapback] Really? And on what planet are you from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Even opened a few holes for Willis later on. I was really suprised to see JP have as much time to throw as he did. This poor showing falls squarely on JP and all receivers not named Lee as well as poor coaching. I mean if the D had held the Bears in check maybe we could have snuck back in the game. The run D really disappointed me. Who was those who say we wouldn't or shouldn't miss Takeo. TAKEO COME BACK PLEASE!!! 799130[/snapback] I totally agree with your assessment of the o-line--played very well. I also agree on the WR's--I think if Peerless made a few of those catches, JP maybe would have gone back to him. On the other hand, I wonder if JP just locked onto Lee all day (causing at least that first pick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 Really? And on what planet are you from? 799149[/snapback] Sacks and pass protections were not the reason we lost 40-7. From my prospective the O-Line, Lee Evans, and maybe McGahee were the only players who showed up today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Um..... how about (with the exception of Evans) average WR's who can't get open against an incredible defense? But yeah, you're right; Losman sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Even opened a few holes for Willis later on. I was really suprised to see JP have as much time to throw as he did. This poor showing falls squarely on JP and all receivers not named Lee as well as poor coaching. I mean if the D had held the Bears in check maybe we could have snuck back in the game. The run D really disappointed me. Who was those who say we wouldn't or shouldn't miss Takeo. TAKEO COME BACK PLEASE!!! 799130[/snapback] So they opened holes later in the game against a prevent. YippEE! The OL was completely outmatched. On the first drive, the OL once again failed to move the line on a 3rd and 1. That lead to the ill fated 4 and 1 "punt fumble" by Moorman. We showed no ability to run the ball early in the game when we needed to. We fell behind and had to pass. Game over at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski-Whiz Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 As most probably got sick of, hearing that the Bears have a lot of strong suits. With stopping the Bears run, that leaves the pass open.. When the Bills tried to cover the passing monster we've seen in recent weeks in the Bears, that left open the run. That's mostly why the Bears are getting a lot of props. When a team puts men in the box to stop the run, we'll hit our WR's and deep. We'll take one on one with Berrian, Mushin or Davis. It's a very well balanced attack, and we seem to be able to use either one. Now the first four weeks we had to beat everyone by the air, because they stuffed the box with 7-8 bodies. Hence our poor rushing attack, which left open the pass.. I can see the Bills going places though! You guys are young, and the WORSE thing to do is toy with a team that is young. This is a good learning experience for the Bills. Honestly. Every great player in NFL history, and every great team, usually has a bad season at first. It takes a good year to iron out the wrinkles. Loseman is going to learn. Look at Kelly back in '84 (?) when the Bills went like 2-14.. Great players aren't made over night.. Dick is a decent coach. We dropped him becasue he protected our OC, John Shoop who would call a 2 yd dump play when it's 3rd and 15. So Dick jumped on a granade for our OC and lost his job. So he's not the worst coach.. BTW, BEAT THE LIONS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Even opened a few holes for Willis later on. I was really suprised to see JP have as much time to throw as he did. This poor showing falls squarely on JP and all receivers not named Lee as well as poor coaching. 799130[/snapback] I remember seeing Willis with 3 yards on his first 3 carries, and 10 yards on his first 5 carries. But sure, this loss falls "squarely on JP." We all expect him to go on the road against the best team in the NFC and look good with no running game whatsoever. Oh wait, you're right, we got the ground game working when it was 27-0! Of course Losman takes his share of the blame, but with no running game he was a dead duck. Not to mention those dropped passes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 double post, my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 I remember seeing Willis with 3 yards on his first 3 carries, and 10 yards on his first 5 carries. But sure, this loss falls "squarely on JP." We all expect him to go on the road against the best team in the NFC and look good with no running game whatsoever. Oh wait, you're right, we got the ground game working when it was 27-0! Of course Losman takes his share of the blame, but with no running game he was a dead duck. Not to mention those dropped passes... 799265[/snapback] Like I've said I want badly to defend JP and throw the blame elsewhere but in this game pass protection was not a big issue. There were a few breakdowns; that is to be expected. But overall he had ample time to throw the ball. With the D struggling, he threw 3 stupid picks that gave the ball right back. Dropped passes by Price didn't help. I can live with miss passes but not turnovers. Jp usually doesn't turn the ball over much and in this game he wasn't pressured into any of those picks as he played like he did last year. But the will learn from this game and bounce back. But the next time a reporter reminds him how good a D the Bears have and that they have only allowed this or that he will just say "yeah I know!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Like I've said I want badly to defend JP and throw the blame elsewhere but in this game pass protection was not a big issue. There were a few breakdowns; that is to be expected. But overall he had ample time to throw the ball. With the D struggling, he threw 3 stupid picks that gave the ball right back. Dropped passes by Price didn't help. I can live with miss passes but not turnovers. Jp usually doesn't turn the ball over much and in this game he wasn't pressured into any of those picks as he played like he did last year. But the will learn from this game and bounce back. But the next time a reporter reminds him how good a D the Bears have and that they have only allowed this or that he will just say "yeah I know!" 799277[/snapback] You quoted my post, but I'm not sure that you actually read it. I never said pass rush caused Losman to turn the ball over. The reason why the O-line has to take at least some of the blame for this is because of the total lack of a running game we had today. McGahee was stopped on a 3rd and 1 on our 2nd possession (or was it the first?) of the game and he picked up 10 yards on his first 5 carries. We didn't get any kind of ground attack until it was at least 20-0. I'm no blind Losman supporter. Of course he takes some of the blame. He turned the ball over far too much today and he just can't do that. And I'm with you on the point that he'll learn from today and hopefully be better for it in the future. But saying all of the blame for this falls squarely on him is absurd. Expecting him to play well at this point going into Chicago to face the NFC's best club and a defense that has embarrassed every offense they've played this year...and expecting him to do it with no running game...just isn't fair. Again, thats not to mention those dropped passes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 You quoted my post, but I'm not sure that you actually read it. I never said pass rush caused Losman to turn the ball over. The reason why the O-line has to take at least some of the blame for this is because of the total lack of a running game we had today. McGahee was stopped on a 3rd and 1 on our 2nd possession (or was it the first?) of the game and he picked up 10 yards on his first 5 carries. We didn't get any kind of ground attack until it was at least 20-0. I'm no blind Losman supporter. Of course he takes some of the blame. He turned the ball over far too much today and he just can't do that. And I'm with you on the point that he'll learn from today and hopefully be better for it in the future. But saying all of the blame for this falls squarely on him is absurd. Expecting him to play well at this point going into Chicago to face the NFC's best club and a defense that has embarrassed every offense they've played this year...and expecting him to do it with no running game...just isn't fair. Again, thats not to mention those dropped passes... 799302[/snapback] I'm not placing all the blame on JP. But pass protection was pretty good facing the Bears. The playcalling, not involving McGahee enough early on was just stupid. I don't think WM or the O-Line was given a chance to establish a running game. JP compounded that by throwing stupid int's. The thing I don't understand is that last week we repeatedely tried to ram the ball up into the strength of the Vikings D. This week it seems as if they didn't try to attack Chicago's perceieved weakness up the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 We tried to establish the run early but McGahee getting 3 yards on his first 3 carries wasn't really helping the offense. And go figure that no running game, an early deficit, dropped passes, and a top-notch defense would lead a young quarterback into turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 We tried to establish the run early but McGahee getting 3 yards on his first 3 carries wasn't really helping the offense. And go figure that no running game, an early deficit, dropped passes, and a top-notch defense would lead a young quarterback into turnovers. 799347[/snapback] Most teams take about 10 runs to get a rhytm established. Even the BillsDaily postgame analysis pointed out that the O-Line was not the reason for the lost. Based on the past few seasons they are everybody's whippiping post but today they played an OK game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Maybe we weren't consistently pounding the rock but thats understandable given how quickly we fell into a hole. When we did run the ball, there was no daylight to be found. I also remember Peters ruining a drive with a false start, and that wasn't the only offensive line penalty JP had to deal with. If decent pass protection against a team that hardly ever blitzed makes up for no holes in the running game and drive-killing penalties then yeah, they played fine. Again I'm not saying we lost because of the offensive line, just that they are at least partially at fault. Their aforementioned shortcomings left JP out to dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
port allegany Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I didn't see the game but from the nfl.com site it looks like we couldn't run when we needed to. If Losman had decent time from the OL against a very good and quick defense, then that is something we can build on. This team is going to be inconsistent - they are young, especially on offense. As long as they learn, make incremental but consistent improvement, and play hard we have something to look forward to in the future. The OL has been an embarassment for the past 3-4 years so if they are moving towards mediocrity, then that's OK for a young line. Maybe a draft choice or two or a free agent will solidify the line. As long as it's improving. The next game, Detroit, is crucial for the season as we could be 3-3 and even 3-4 after NE isn't too bad. If we are 2-5, I'm worried about the team giving up and not improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF2000 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 I seem to remember a few times were Gandy got blatantly beat, or completely whiffed, or didnt even attempt to block the DE of Chicago and Losman got sacked or threw a pic as a result. And it doesn't matter how well the OLine does if no one gets open. From the looks of the box score Evans was the only WR to make any contributions whatsoever. The Bears have made some pretty good quarterbacks look atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Even opened a few holes for Willis later on. I was really suprised to see JP have as much time to throw as he did. 799130[/snapback] Good point! Blockrs are frequently judged upon whether or not they can open up "a few holes" when their team is down 40 or so points. As for the pass protection, I gotta tell ya, when you're right, you're right. After allowing 3 sacks, a forced fumble, a false start or 2, and almost constant pressure, these guys can walk tall! Oh wait, Ogunleye didn't play? Not to worry, they would have kicked his ass too! (Sarcasm off) What some people deem to be an acceptable, or even a good performance continues to astound me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 of course the o-line protected losman enough when the bears only had to rush 4 and still get pressure . i was saying in the first quarter of the game "both lines are getting outplayed" and it was the truth. the o-line couldn't get any push and the d-line was ending up 5 yards down the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share Posted October 10, 2006 Good point! Blockrs are frequently judged upon whether or not they can open up "a few holes" when their team is down 40 or so points. As for the pass protection, I gotta tell ya, when you're right, you're right. After allowing 3 sacks, a forced fumble, a false start or 2, and almost constant pressure, these guys can walk tall! Oh wait, Ogunleye didn't play? Not to worry, they would have kicked his ass too! (Sarcasm off) What some people deem to be an acceptable, or even a good performance continues to astound me. 800481[/snapback] Whatever. I'm not saying that he had the Hogs blocking for him but it was better than expected and certainly adequate. I mean we rushed only 4, rarely blitzed and Grossman was hit a couple of times in the first half and forced into a couple of passes that should have been picked off; was his pass protection so great? As far as run blocking and run D goes, I can see where some can shed bad light. But pass protection was not the reason this game was lost. Sure he got sacked and hit a few times but what QB doesn't? It is the glass half empty half full theory. Some who want to bash JP will make it seem as if he sucks and will never amount to anything. Others will make up excuses and put the blame anywhere but on him or excuse him for being green which is understandable. But the game on Sunday, JP was given ample time to go through his reads on numerous occsaions and he just had a bad game. While he did get sacked, there was no constant pressure, man in his face, hitting him evertime he threw the ball like some claim. Blaming his poor play on the fact that he had no time in the pocket is absurd! I have seen games were protection was much worse. I'll bet Drew wish he had half the time in the pocket against the Eagles that JP had against the Bears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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