RuntheDamnBall Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 Why don't you like McCain? 789977[/snapback] I know you weren't asking me, but IMO McCain is a douche. He has marketed himself as the total "anti-polician" while making decidedly political moves. The McCain I would even entertain voting for died, the moment he put his lips on W's ass after the dirty campaign Rove ran against him. The McCain I would even entertain voting for would have denounced that kind of campaign for good and looked for a third party to run on after being sold down the river by his own. Instead, he's looking to see if they'll help him out next time. I've agreed with a few of his policies, but he's a long way from being a candidate I'd support in a national election.
Chilly Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 I know you weren't asking me, but IMO McCain is a douche. He has marketed himself as the total "anti-polician" while making decidedly political moves. The McCain I would even entertain voting for died, the moment he put his lips on W's ass after the dirty campaign Rove ran against him. The McCain I would even entertain voting for would have denounced that kind of campaign for good and looked for a third party to run on after being sold down the river by his own. Instead, he's looking to see if they'll help him out next time. I've agreed with a few of his policies, but he's a long way from being a candidate I'd support in a national election. 789994[/snapback] Can you really fault him for it though? He knows as well as anyone that running as a 3rd party candidate means the death of your campaign.
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 Can you really fault him for it though? He knows as well as anyone that running as a 3rd party candidate means the death of your campaign. 789998[/snapback] Well, then end the pretense that he's not beholden to special interests. Because these two parties are about as exemplary a definition of special interests as I can find. He wears the maverick label like a medal, but he'll kiss ass if he needs to to win. He'll throw principle to the wind if it means he'll win. I won't be voting for him, ever.
KRC Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 He wears the maverick label like a medal, but he'll kiss ass if he needs to to win. He'll throw principle to the wind if it means he'll win. 790012[/snapback] So, he is acting like a typical politician?
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 So, he is acting like a typical politician? 790014[/snapback] Basically. Except for he's trying to manufacture the image that he's not one. A double hypocrisy.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 Except for he's trying to manufacture the image that he's not one. 790032[/snapback] So he's acting like a politician?
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 So he's acting like a politician? 790037[/snapback] Basically.
Chilly Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 I can't say I fault the guy for doing what any contending politican would do.
bills_fan Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 Well, then end the pretense that he's not beholden to special interests. Because these two parties are about as exemplary a definition of special interests as I can find. He wears the maverick label like a medal, but he'll kiss ass if he needs to to win. He'll throw principle to the wind if it means he'll win. I won't be voting for him, ever. I agree with you, I used to like McCain, he was a refreshing alternative. However, in the last few years he really has become more and more establishment. Which is why we'll be chanting Rudy, Rudy in 08!
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 I can't say I fault the guy for doing what any contending politican would do. 790049[/snapback] I think you can if doing just that is antithetical to the kind of campaign he says he's going to run, and the kind of person he's claiming to be. If you're going to say "any contending politician is to some degree a hypocrite," then perhaps you're right. I hope/wish it's not that cynical.
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 OK, I've officially hijacked this thread. If you want to make it out alive, do as I say.
Chilly Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 I think you can if doing just that is antithetical to the kind of campaign he says he's going to run, and the kind of person he's claiming to be. If you're going to say "any contending politician is to some degree a hypocrite," then perhaps you're right. I hope/wish it's not that cynical. 790056[/snapback] Thats my view on it, as cynical as it is.
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 Thats my view on it, as cynical as it is. 790103[/snapback] I guess the real cynicism is in believing that that's the only way we'll ever be able to operate. That we're in a sense.... DOOOOOOMED.
KRC Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 I can't say I fault the guy for doing what any contending politican would do. 790049[/snapback] ...and this is exactly why we are stuck with the politicians that we currently have "representing" us. People allow this type of behavior to continue.
Chilly Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 ...and this is exactly why we are stuck with the politicians that we currently have "representing" us. People allow this type of behavior to continue. 790115[/snapback] No, we're stuck with these politicians because the rules of the game favor two large parties, and voters who are genuinely disinterested in politics.
KRC Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 No, we're stuck with these politicians because the rules of the game favor two large parties, and voters who are genuinely disinterested in politics. 790147[/snapback] I know that the rules favor the Big Two, but if you are not going to hold your politicians acocuntable, why the hell should they change?
Chilly Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 I know that the rules favor the Big Two, but if you are not going to hold your politicians acocuntable, why the hell should they change? 790156[/snapback] Who is going to hold them accountable exactly? The few of us that do take an interest in politics?
KD in CA Posted December 5, 2006 Posted December 5, 2006 I hate freedom. Sincerley, New York City (and the liberals who run it) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16051436/
IDBillzFan Posted December 5, 2006 Posted December 5, 2006 I hate freedom. Sincerley, New York City (and the liberals who run it) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16051436/ 857850[/snapback] Brutal. I wonder how long before the city defrosts Wesley Snipes to go underground and kill Dennis Leary.
Bill from NYC Posted December 5, 2006 Author Posted December 5, 2006 I hate freedom. Sincerley, New York City (and the liberals who run it) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16051436/ 857850[/snapback] Wow, you had to dig that one out. Good work! More to come folks, a LOT more to come.
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