jdbillsfan Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 It seems like he is elusive enough and gains good yards. That was a very nice TD run. Would keep the defense guessing and could pick up some 1st downs when our WR's seem to be blanketed. It may force the D to start spying him, which may open up our TE or Willis out of the backfield. I dont want to see him get hurt, or always run when someone doesn't get open right away, but it seems like there are plays to be had with his speed. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 It seems like he is elusive enough and gains good yards. That was a very nice TD run. Would keep the defense guessing and could pick up some 1st downs when our WR's seem to be blanketed. It may force the D to start spying him, which may open up our TE or Willis out of the backfield. I dont want to see him get hurt, or always run when someone doesn't get open right away, but it seems like there are plays to be had with his speed. What do you guys think? 787014[/snapback] I found myself thinking the same thing while at the game sunday. Especially when it looked like there were a couple of good opportunities to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I think the coaching staff is trying hard to get to JP to NOT rely as much as he has in the past on his running skills, and that is probably good. As he matures and the season progresses, he'll probably use his very good running skills more. I think the efforts are to "rein him in" in a positive sense and get him to rely on the offensive line a little more and make smart reads rather than rely on his running skills. I suspect he will be running more in the future as everyone gets comfortable with his maturity in the other aspects of the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I think the coaching staff is trying hard to get to JP to NOT rely as much as he has in the past on his running skills, and that is probably good. As he matures and the season progresses, he'll probably use his very good running skills more. I think the efforts are to "rein him in" in a positive sense and get him to rely on the offensive line a little more and make smart reads rather than rely on his running skills. I suspect he will be running more in the future as everyone gets comfortable with his maturity in the other aspects of the position. 787028[/snapback] Good post. If JP runs too much now, then he wont be going through his progressions and making the proper reads. Its too easy to just take off. When he matures as a passer, then let him run if hes got no other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkwwjd Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 The time will come. I know the play was a lot shorter, but his TD run on Sunday was a mini-version of the famous Steve Young 50 yarder ... Let him become a very good to great QB in the NFL, then turn him loose to make the decision to run around the D. Then he will be a great to elite QB in the NFL. (If it all happens that way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 You know you're right. He did such a good job on the bootleg, he absolutely should run more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I think the coaching staff is trying hard to get to JP to NOT rely as much as he has in the past on his running skills, and that is probably good. As he matures and the season progresses, he'll probably use his very good running skills more. I think the efforts are to "rein him in" in a positive sense and get him to rely on the offensive line a little more and make smart reads rather than rely on his running skills. I suspect he will be running more in the future as everyone gets comfortable with his maturity in the other aspects of the position. 787028[/snapback] That's what I think too. Imagine if the coaches (like MM) tell him, go out there and do your thing you'll see a poors man Michael Vick. Who btw is an awful QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike formerly from Florida Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 You know you're right. He did such a good job on the bootleg, he absolutely should run more often. 787147[/snapback] Yes, because the bootleg was his fault. The fact that noone blocked the DE has no bearing on the play. Absolutely JP should run more; when he has an opportunity to run, or when the pressure is there, or when a receiver is not open. But, not run just to run. It's all part of his decision-making education. The coaches should not rein in his running to the point where he no longer runs when the opportunity arises. This is what it seems like the coaches are doing to him, making him less of a dual threat. I agree with the poster that the threat of him running would open up the TE or Willis for more catches. He runs a 4.6, let him run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 You know you're right. He did such a good job on the bootleg, he absolutely should run more often. 787147[/snapback] Do you even believe half of the sh-- you shovel? I’m guessing you don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Last year, people bitched because he ran too much and wasn't passing enough, this year he is passing too much and not running enough. Make up your minds. In answer to your question, in a way yes, and in a way no. It is important that he develops skills in the pocket that are needed for him to be a successful quarterback. I think Losman should focus a little bit on running and more on passing. If he does run, it should only be because he has moved through all of his progressions and there is nothing down field for him to throw at. I don't want to see the struggling and scrambling JP that we saw last year in the Saints game or any other game where he stuggled. Run in flashes (4 carries a game max), but throw the ball more and rack up more yards through the air. This is pro, not college ball. We rely heavily on the throwing ability as opposed to the speed aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Wheels Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Having Losman run more would put him in the fast lane to the injured reserve list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 It seems like he is elusive enough and gains good yards. That was a very nice TD run. Would keep the defense guessing and could pick up some 1st downs when our WR's seem to be blanketed. It may force the D to start spying him, which may open up our TE or Willis out of the backfield. I dont want to see him get hurt, or always run when someone doesn't get open right away, but it seems like there are plays to be had with his speed. What do you guys think? 787014[/snapback] I've been pro-JP-running for the duration of 2006. And I believe there were times (I don't have Tivo to dissect the plays) on both third and fourth down conversion opportunities - SHORT opportunities mind you - he had the room to run for the first down and either threw away or failed to convert in another fashion. Again, I didn't have the birds-field-eye-view so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 You know you're right. He did such a good job on the bootleg, he absolutely should run more often. 787147[/snapback] You can't blame JP for the bootleg call....The Jets sniffed it out way too early and had him nailed...BTW, I think that could have been a good 1st down call. THe jets would have been thrown off, expecting a McGahee run or a pass to Lee Evans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundy249 Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 The Bills should win more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Sylvan Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Last year, people bitched because he ran too much and wasn't passing enough, this year he is passing too much and not running enough. Make up your minds. In answer to your question, in a way yes, and in a way no. It is important that he develops skills in the pocket that are needed for him to be a successful quarterback. I think Losman should focus a little bit on running and more on passing. If he does run, it should only be because he has moved through all of his progressions and there is nothing down field for him to throw at. I don't want to see the struggling and scrambling JP that we saw last year in the Saints game or any other game where he stuggled. Run in flashes (4 carries a game max), but throw the ball more and rack up more yards through the air. This is pro, not college ball. We rely heavily on the throwing ability as opposed to the speed aspects. 787695[/snapback] It seems whenever we lose a game, automatically something needs to be changed. Personally I like that he doesn't run so much, of course there are exceptions. However, when or if JP learns to throw like most starting NFL quarterbacks (not a certain player who's first name starts with M and rhymes with ichael, Vick) then he should be okay to take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlegm Alley Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Only if it moves the chains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 He's been in the league for 3 years now, but let's not rush him too quickly? We finally have a QB who can run(when needed) and instead some say "let's not give him too much at once". Instead stay in the pocket no matter what and get your brains beat in. Sounds like a confidence builder to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Yes, because the bootleg was his fault. The fact that noone blocked the DE has no bearing on the play. 787197[/snapback] I love JP (he is my favorite player -seriously). However, the bootleg was his fault. I have played and coached QB's so know a bit about fundementals. Often, the DE is left unblocked on a bootleg. The DE will bite a step or two on the fake. However, the QB has to run deeper into the backfield to prevent what happened. JP ran that too shallow, probably because he was trying to be too quick to the endzone. That play would have worked if he ran it properly and 1-2 yards deeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlegm Alley Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 I love JP (he is my favorite player -seriously). However, the bootleg was his fault. I have played and coached QB's so know a bit about fundementals. Often, the DE is left unblocked on a bootleg. The DE will bite a step or two on the fake. However, the QB has to run deeper into the backfield to prevent what happened. JP ran that too shallow, probably because he was trying to be too quick to the endzone. That play would have worked if he ran it properly and 1-2 yards deeper 788545[/snapback] I think it was his fault. JP should have put a little move on the DE ala Pennington against Eddie Robinson. He would have scored EASILY if he just gave him a stutter step and head bob. DE wouldn't have had a chance because because his ankles would've been broken. It changes the entire outcome of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 I think it was his fault. JP should have put a little move on the DE ala Pennington against Eddie Robinson. He would have scored EASILY if he just gave him a stutter step and head bob. DE wouldn't have had a chance because because his ankles would've been broken. It changes the entire outcome of the game. 788549[/snapback] The point is he wouldn't have had to "put a move" on the DE if he ran the bootleg properly - i.e. deeper into the backfield. The DE would have dived at air if this was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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