Mikie2times Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 JP's turnovers lost us this game. What really makes it look worse is that one of them was returned for a touchdown. This loss hurts, but I'm trying to find positives, and if you can look past the turnovers JP was able to accomplish alot today. Over 300 yards passing, over 8.5 per attempt on 38 throws, and two TD's accounted for. This was the first game in which his performance threw the entire game was great enough to win a game for this team. The turnovers neutralized that, but maybe next time that doesn't happen. The reality is this is rebuilding year, and nothing, including this Jets game, means more to the long term future of Buffalo then JP showing he can win games with his arm.
bluv Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 JP's turnovers lost us this game. What really makes it look worse is that one of them was returned for a touchdown. This loss hurts, but I'm trying to find positives, and if you can look past the turnovers JP was able to accomplish alot today. Over 300 yards passing, over 8.5 per attempt on 38 throws, and two TD's accounted for. This was the first game in which his performance threw the entire game was great enough to win a game for this team. The turnovers neutralized that, but maybe next time that doesn't happen. The reality is this is rebuilding year, and nothing, including this Jets game, means more to the long term future of Buffalo then JP showing he can win games with his arm. 784689[/snapback] But if we lose to some JP sucks if he doesn't play a perfect game so it's just another L! NO EXCUSES!
SnakeOiler Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 But if we lose to some JP sucks if he doesn't play a perfect game so it's just another L! NO EXCUSES! 784712[/snapback]
Ramius Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 JP's turnovers lost us this game. What really makes it look worse is that one of them was returned for a touchdown. This loss hurts, but I'm trying to find positives, and if you can look past the turnovers JP was able to accomplish alot today. Over 300 yards passing, over 8.5 per attempt on 38 throws, and two TD's accounted for. This was the first game in which his performance threw the entire game was great enough to win a game for this team. The turnovers neutralized that, but maybe next time that doesn't happen. The reality is this is rebuilding year, and nothing, including this Jets game, means more to the long term future of Buffalo then JP showing he can win games with his arm. 784689[/snapback] I know! JP should have been able to block those 2 blitzers that blindsided him causing him to fumble! The INT was his fault, it was a poor decision and poor throw. To blame the fumbles on him is assinine and myopic.
Risin Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 I know! JP should have been able to block those 2 blitzers that blindsided him causing him to fumble! The INT was his fault, it was a poor decision and poor throw. To blame the fumbles on him is assinine and myopic. 784730[/snapback] You Losman nuthugger.
Dan Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 JP had a good game, far better than I would have thought. The biggest problem is he can't be perfect and with this team and these fans, apparently he has to be perfect. Bad pocket presense, as asserted by some fans, implies that he had a pocket to work in. Bottom line with this game. When the Jets wanted it, their lines got it. Whether pressure on JP or the first down run, they got it. And conversely our lines couldn't do anything when needed.
RayFinkle Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 I know! JP should have been able to block those 2 blitzers that blindsided him causing him to fumble! The INT was his fault, it was a poor decision and poor throw. To blame the fumbles on him is assinine and myopic. 784730[/snapback] If that was Drew of Kelly back there you'd be whistling a different tune...
Ramius Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 If that was Drew of Kelly back there you'd be whistling a different tune... 784747[/snapback] No, i wouldnt have. You cant blame any QB for fumbling when he's blindsided less than 3 seconds after the snap. I already said the INT was a poor decision and throw.
Chilly Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Yeah, because everyone that's saying JP had an average game for an NFL quarterback is saying he has to be perfect. Some of you people amaze me.
Risin Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Some of you people amaze me. 784754[/snapback] Believe me, many of us think the same of the drivel you type.
apuszczalowski Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Believe me, many of us think the same of the drivel you type. 784764[/snapback] Just imagine what would be said if it was Vince Young today instead of JP
Fixxxer Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Plenty of bad things and plenty of good stuff from him First fumble his fault, that INT was his fault too. but the 2nd fumble was all on McGahee, failed to pick up a blitziing SAFETY, sheesh, and people wonder why he wasn't on the field last year on third downs.
Dibs Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Yeah, because everyone that's saying JP had an average game for an NFL quarterback is saying he has to be perfect. Some of you people amaze me. 784754[/snapback] No. Most negative posts I've seen say that he played soooo bad that he will never be good & he needs to be replaced. What this thread has said is that he actually showed some promise. Look around the league today. How many crappy QB performances were achieved & by pro bowl caliber players too. This week showed me that JP can put up the numbers(which we hadn't really seen before) but that he also has a lot more to learn.
Chilly Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Believe me, many of us think the same of the drivel you type. 784764[/snapback] lawl, attack the poster and not the point, good job! Just imagine what would be said if it was Vince Young today instead of JP 784780[/snapback] lawl again. I'd say the same !@#$ing thing I've said all day about JP: It was encouraging, but by no means above average QB play out of him today. No. Most negative posts I've seen say that he played soooo bad that he will never be good & he needs to be replaced. What this thread has said is that he actually showed some promise. Look around the league today. How many crappy QB performances were achieved & by pro bowl caliber players too. This week showed me that JP can put up the numbers(which we hadn't really seen before) but that he also has a lot more to learn. 784837[/snapback] We must be reading different posts, must of the negative posts about JP today have been suggesting that he should take part of the blame for the loss, but he still is showing something he hasn't before today. Everytime someone says that JP needs work, someone responds with something saying that it was the rest of the team's fault. Well no sh--, there are almost always multiple reasons that a team loses, but you can't just say "Willis missed his block causing a turnover and thats why we lost." Anyone that has partially blamed JP today has made the accuisation that he has to be perfect to silence his critics, which is complete and utter bull sh--. The 2nd post in this thread is the following: But if we lose to some JP sucks if he doesn't play a perfect game so it's just another L! NO EXCUSES! The 3rd post is: I know! JP should have been able to block those 2 blitzers that blindsided him causing him to fumble! The INT was his fault, it was a poor decision and poor throw. To blame the fumbles on him is assinine and myopic. 6th post: JP had a good game, far better than I would have thought. The biggest problem is he can't be perfect and with this team and these fans, apparently he has to be perfect. In contrast, all the threads that I've clicked on that have been criticizing JP, have said that he's partially to blame for today. Whenever that happens, someone responds saying he must be perfect. While JP was very promising and had a better game, he is not without criticism. Neither is the rest of the team.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 No, i wouldnt have. You cant blame any QB for fumbling when he's blindsided less than 3 seconds after the snap. I already said the INT was a poor decision and throw. 784753[/snapback] Even when he's blindsided, he's got to protect the ball. The fumbles are squarely on Losman, either way, and he needs to be coached to protect the ball better. That is, of course, in addition to fixing the bigger issue of piss-poor blocking. Was Mike Williams out there again today?
Kelly the Dog Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Even when he's blindsided, he's got to protect the ball. The fumbles are squarely on Losman, either way, and he needs to be coached to protect the ball better. That is, of course, in addition to fixing the bigger issue of piss-poor blocking. Was Mike Williams out there again today? 784960[/snapback] Agreed. Even though he was hit from behind, he cannot cough up the ball twice like that. One time is excusable, twice is not. He just can't do it two times in one game and expect to win whether he was blindsided or not.
BuffOrange Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Yeah, because everyone that's saying JP had an average game for an NFL quarterback is saying he has to be perfect. 784754[/snapback] Yeah, there is middle ground between 'bad' and 'perfect'. But JP apologists pretend otherwise by using these tired straw-man comments.
Kelly the Dog Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Yeah, there is middle ground between 'bad' and 'perfect'. But JP apologists pretend otherwise by using these tired straw-man comments. 784972[/snapback] There is a clear possiblity that a player can have a crappy game, and even be responsible for the loss, and yet show clear signs that he is improving and "getting it". They are not mutually exclusive, nor do you have to be a JP apologist for saying that there were a lot of things to be happy about watching that game.
MDH Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Agreed. Even though he was hit from behind, he cannot cough up the ball twice like that. One time is excusable, twice is not. He just can't do it two times in one game and expect to win whether he was blindsided or not. 784966[/snapback] If he wasn't in the middle of throwing the ball I'd agree with you. Being blindsided on the second one, in the middle of throwing the ball, is going to result in a fumble everytime. There's simply no avoiding it. On the first one he should have never cocked the ball back to throw it in the first place.
BuffOrange Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 There is a clear possiblity that a player can have a crappy game, and even be responsible for the loss, and yet show clear signs that he is improving and "getting it". They are not mutually exclusive, nor do you have to be a JP apologist for saying that there were a lot of things to be happy about watching that game. 784979[/snapback] Fine, I can go along with that. Do you honestly think a non-negligable percentage of people on this board share this evaluation of him on this game though? I mostly see people berating our RB, coaches, the weather, and using Carson Palmer's poor 4 TD performance against the defending champs on the road to justify JP's poor play.
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