Boomer Easison doesn't like JP

[bizell]

that 2-8 record is kind of misleading.. he came in for holcomb last year and beat the chefs. but anywho... he needs to put up some numbers to shut all these people up. simple as that.

[Lurker]

"I don't have any faith in JP Losman as a NFL QB."

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Didn't TKO essentially say the same thing about Whitner, in a backhanded way, when TV was put on IR? It's just vet-speak for "what have you done, kid?"

 

Until JP shows results on the field, he's not going to get any respect at the national level.

[KnightRider]

He's on the NFL Preview on WGR right now and when asked where he thought the Jets could take advantage of a weakness he said the passing game and said  "I don't have any faith in JP Losman as a NFL QB." I think he said pretty much the same thing last week on TV. What's up with that? He's not putting up big numbers but he's not making the same mistakes he made last year. Also Ive gone over the Miami highlights several times and that IP would have been a TD without a doubt.

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I imagine Boomer sees JP suckin while with Sam Wyche as just sucking period. I'd call it more a compliment to Sam for what Sam did for him...

[H2o]

He's on the NFL Preview on WGR right now and when asked where he thought the Jets could take advantage of a weakness he said the passing game and said  "I don't have any faith in JP Losman as a NFL QB." I think he said pretty much the same thing last week on TV. What's up with that? He's not putting up big numbers but he's not making the same mistakes he made last year. Also Ive gone over the Miami highlights several times and that IP would have been a TD without a doubt.

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That's cool because I don't like Boomer Esiason either. He was an overrated, arrogant, choke artist on the field. Now he's just another "passed his time" QB with a big mouth. What a joke.

[Pyrite Gal]

For all of you Boomer haters, just think back to a game in the late 90's at The Ralph when Boomer was quarterbacking the Jets. There was a play where a Jets offensive lineman moved slightly before the snap. Bruce Smith saw the flinch and roared in unblocked from his DE position and laid out Esiason while he was still under center. Boomer was knocked out cold and carted off of the field.

 

I am never one to wish an injury on anyone but if you hate Boomer that much, think back to that day and smile.

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I remember that play clear as a bell as I think it was the hardest hit I ever saw anyone lay on another player in person (a Butkus hit literrally killed Chuck Hughes of the Lions and I actually do mean literrally killed him but I heard it on the radio and did not see it).

 

I forget which fool was HCing the Jets at the time but for some reason he had a rookie LT block Bruce one-on-one (the OL did not slant Bruce's way and there was not even an attempt at a blitz pick-up) and Boomer paid the price.

 

I actually hope that JP does not set out to prove Boomer wrong by putting up big stats as I think his played sucke last year because he tried to hard. He and TC tried to do things the team simply could not do and this ended up with JP trying to win it all himself and try to do things he couldn't do and we paid the price with Ls.

 

The way for JP to actually produce a QB rating over 90 is for him to take the same course he took last week and not throw the ball except when he has to or as a change-up.

 

Its boring and can produce a goshawful QB rating in the first half, but it works and not only will his meaningless stats be better by the end of the game but the team will do well in the ultimate stat which is the comparative score at the end of the game.

[/dev/null]

I wasn't a fan of the trade up to get JP, the selection of JP, nor giving cutting DB and handing JP the starting job.

 

JP hasn't impressed me with his play on the field either. The most endearing adjective I can think of for JP is adequate. he's not going to lead the bills to victory. But if he can manage the game adequately and keeps the mistakes down he won't cost the bills many games either

[krazykat]

Do you really think he's ever watched JP Losman play?  And if so, do you really think it was this season?

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How many hours does anyone think these guys have. They see the highlights and that's about it except for a game or two that they watch just like everyone else.

 

Think about it, even with tape minus the commercials if you could cut it down to two hours, for 16 games that's 32 hours of back to back viewing. At more than 10 hours per day without breaks that would take three entire days.

 

These guys just talk outta their buttholes.

[Pyrite Gal]

I wasn't a fan of the trade up to get JP, the selection of JP, nor giving cutting DB and handing JP the starting job.

 

JP hasn't impressed me with his play on the field either.  The most endearing adjective I can think of for JP is adequate.  he's not going to lead the bills to victory.  But if he can manage the game adequately and keeps the mistakes down he won't cost the bills many games either

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I think the better and more successful football is played by having him manage the games and not make mistakes. Like Bledsoe, i think he makes more mistakes when he tries to hard. They are not good enough players to win it all on their own (but then pretty much nobody is- Elway was one of the best athletes out there by far, but his teams always fell just short until they got outstanding play from teammates like Terel Davis, Sharpe and their D and then they could win it all).

 

I think JP has actually shown some good abilities and posssibilities in his short career-

 

1. He really is pliable and does what the coaches tell him-

 

From him absorbing the lessons which MM ham-handedly exposed him to as rookie like when he threw him into the NE game unexpectedly to take an edge off his cockiness, to Wyche molding him to try things which did not work, to Fairchild remolding him to actually play turnover free ball so far, JP has demonstraed that he will do what he is told to do.

 

The key is to have a good plan and if the Bills have that JP will run it. The do not make mistakes plan is pretty boring but it is effective so far.

 

2. He has shown good talent when the play blows up-

 

I'm sure it is his natural athleticism, built up by having to run for his life and improvise behind a porous Tulane line and he has fortunately survived as a pro since the TV shove in practice dspite his wearing the QB practice tutu, but these and likely other facors have combined to allow him to make plays like the one where Fowler shotgunned it past him and he quickly turned, fielded the bouncing ball, aprinted to the sidelines. and somehhow found Reed for the completion.

 

These skills and his escapability are great tools to have when the play blows up, he simply has to maintain control such that when the blocking holds but no one is open he either checks down to a safety receiver. runs himself and slides with no hit, or tosses it OB. Its when he has the time to try to make a play when he gets into trouble. He should do this on 3rd or 4th down or the game is ending, but in general it makes more sense to live to fight another day with no play early in the game or on 1st or 2nd down.

 

3. The no INTs so far is something that even someone who badmouths JP should acknowledge is a positive sign.

 

He ain't a good one yet, but all the more reason for him not to force it and take what he is given and simply work to not make mistakes.

[UConn James]

I remember that play clear as a bell as I think it was the hardest hit I ever saw anyone lay on another player in person (a Butkus hit literrally killed Chuck Hughes of the Lions and I actually do mean literrally killed him but I heard it on the radio and did not see it).

 

I forget which fool was HCing the Jets at the time but for some reason he had a rookie LT block Bruce one-on-one (the OL did not slant Bruce's way and there was not even an attempt at a blitz pick-up) and Boomer paid the price.

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A Wiki search on Chuck Hughes....

 

While playing for the Detroit Lions, he suffered a fatal heart attack during the final minutes of a game versus the Chicago Bears at Tiger Stadium in Detroit, Michigan. He had run a pass route but was not part of the play, an incomplete pass intended for Lions tight end Charlie Sanders, and pitched forward onto the ground without contact [emphasis mine]. Initially some thought he was faking an injury to stop the clock, but Bears linebacker Dick Butkus frantically signalled for help on the field. It was obvious that he was seriously hurt, and the game was finished in near silence. His teammates were informed of his death before leaving the stadium.

 

Perhaps the mere presence of Butkus in his vicinity caused the heart attack?

 

I remember Bruce's hit on Boomer. He was lying on the turf like a sack of potatoes. Didn't even want to move and probably didn't know who he was, nevermind where. IIRC the Jets coach was Rich Kotite.

[Pyrite Gal]

A Wiki search on Chuck Hughes....

Perhaps the mere presence of Butkus in his vicinity caused the heart attack? 

 

I remember Bruce's hit on Boomer. He was lying on the turf like a sack of potatoes. Didn't even want to move and probably didn't know who he was, nevermind where. IIRC the Jets coach was Rich Kotite.

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It was on an earlier play that Butkus laid one on Hughes. Hewrote a book about his career where he talked about how he always felt guilty about the earlier hit and his friends kept trying to convince him because Hughes died on a later play with no hit it was not his fault. however, he felt guilty anyway. This may be the reason that he is the only player mentioned as signaling frantically for help after Hughes fell without contact.

 

 

PS the fact that it was Kotite that was responsible or this lame match-up makes perfect sense.

[UConn James]

It was on an earlier play that Butkus laid one on Hughes.  Hewrote a book about his career where he talked about how he always felt guilty about the earlier hit and his friends kept trying to convince him because Hughes died on a later play with no hit it was not his fault.  however, he felt guilty anyway.  This may be the reason that he is the  only player mentioned as signaling frantically for help after Hughes fell without contact.

PS the fact that it was Kotite that was responsible or this lame match-up makes perfect sense.

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I don't think Butkus bears much, if any, responsibility even if he felt he does. Every player takes those risks when they go on the field, then and now. If Hughes felt something was wrong, he sh/wouldn't have stayed in.

 

Kotite was one link in a long string of disasters by the Jests. Mistakes of which they're repeating today. I don't mind that, tho.

 

NY Times abstract....

SPORTS DESK | October 9, 1995

Times Select Content ON PRO FOOTBALL;

 

Esiason Left Exposed By Kotite's Coaching

By TIMOTHY W. SMITH

Boomer Esiason looked like a ghost as he quickly exited the locker room with an escort by Mike Kensil, the Jets' director of operations. His face ashen, dark shades covering his eyes, Esiason's gait was somewhat unsteady as he walked up the tunnel at Rich Stadium toward the team bus. "I'm really wobbly right now," said Esiason, still groggy from a concussion he suffered on a crushing sack by Bills defensive end Bruce Smith, one that knocked the quarterback out of the game yesterday early in the second quarter.

[JAMIEBUF12]

well i dont like boomer esiason so were even lol lol......you guys remember that hit bruce smith laid on boomer when he was a jet? go bills!