I dont care about his numbers.....my hat goes

[Wraith]

Of course, BR was a rookie. JP Losman is a third-year player

 

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Do you really want me to drag out Matt Hasselbeck's third year numbers? Or even the first half of his fourth year? Eh, he's a bad example anyway, he only started in last years Superbowl.

[Alaska Darin]

Do you really want me to drag out Matt Hasselbeck's third year numbers? Or even the first half of his fourth year? Eh, he's a bad example anyway, he only started in last years Superbowl.

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That's enough of that. All QBs develop the same way, just like every rookie center should start the Super Bowl.

[Catholic Guilt]

I'm afraid I have to disagree with this mishmash.  Losman took every snap in this game.  Sometimes, the best way to win is to simply do your job without trying to force a spectaular play.  He is doing a fine job and you can't take that away from him.

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I'm afraid some posters on this board will still disagree...

[JDG]

Do you really want me to drag out Matt Hasselbeck's third year numbers? Or even the first half of his fourth year? Eh, he's a bad example anyway, he only started in last years Superbowl.

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O.k. Losman's first 10 games vs. Hasselbeck's first 10 games:

 

Sub-50% completion games:

Losman - 4

Hasselbeck - 2 (albeit two more at 50% exactly)

 

Sub-100 yard games:

Losman - 3

Hasselbeck - 1

 

200+ yard passing games:

Losman - 1

Hasselbeck - 3

 

If you want to bring up Hasselbeck as an example of a QB who was bad in his first 10 starts, then you are presumably also suggesting that Losman has been worse than bad..... which has been my point.

 

We'll see how Losman does over the next two weeks playing at home. If we can beat the Jets this Sunday, we'll be 2-1 in the division, which will feel very, very, good......

 

JDG

[JinWPB]

O.k. Losman's first 10 games vs. Hasselbeck's first 10 games:

 

I don't think you can compare players like this. Different teams, different situations. In general we will know soon enough if JPL has it or not.

What if Brady had spent the last four years a Saint or Archie Manning had been a Cowboy. Its' all speculation.Would we have gone to the Superbowl last year with Ben? Sorry ,don't think so.

[Rockinon]

Here we go again!

[MDH]

Of course, BR was a rookie.  JP Losman is a third-year player

"Who is Chad Pennington?" 

 

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Of course JP isn't just making one read and, as far as I know, never has been.

[JDG]

I don't think you can compare players like this. Different teams, different situations. In general we will know soon enough if JPL has it or not.

What if Brady had spent the last four years a Saint or Archie Manning had been a Cowboy. Its' all speculation.Would we have gone to the Superbowl last year with Ben? Sorry ,don't think so.

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There's truth to that... but it wasn't my idea to compare the two in the first place!

 

JDG

[Orton's Arm]

Thanks for securing the #2 on my ignore list.  It's been awhile since I've gotten to add someone.

You mean you'll stop responding to my posts with emotional drivel or lame attempts at clever put-downs? And this is supposed to bother me because . . . ?

[Orton's Arm]

You do realize that in Ben's first year as a starter he had, essentially, ONE read to make.  If that guy wasn't open he threw it to his check down guy.  If this is your concern about Losman why are you comparing him to BR who wasn't making real reads until his second full season as a starter?

 

Also, tell me this.  Which QBs, in their first 10 starts, "showed the ability to make complex decisions quickly?"  You've written the guy off before you've ever given him a chance.  Not many here are "Losman lovers", all I see are a bunch of fans who are willing to give the guy a chance to prove himself before they throw him under the bus.  If the coaching staff doesn't have much faith in him after his 30th start and call the same type of game they did on Sunday you may have a point.  But until then they're doing the right thing in brining him along slowly.

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You've presented your case quite reasonably, and you seem more objective than most other Losman supporters.

 

The difference I see between Roethlisberger and Losman is this: Roethlisberger did a solid job of establishing himself as a good decision maker at the college level; while Losman may have been drafted more for his athletic potential.

 

It's true that as a rookie, Roethlisberger hadn't fully memorized the playbook; which is why he'd either throw the ball to his first read, or not at all. This situation doesn't really apply to Losman, who didn't start getting real playing time until he'd had ample opportunity to learn the playbook.

 

So the question then becomes, if you have an athletic college quarterback without a proven track record as a pocket passer, how much of a pocket passer can you expect him to become at the professional level? How much patience is enough, and how much is too much? The Falcons are in a similar situation with Vick. Nobody doubts Vick's mobility or his arm strength, but he'll never be able to do what Peyton Manning or Tom Brady can do. Is that something the Falcons are prepared to live with because of Vick's speed, or will they need to move in a different direction?

[Ramius]

CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!

 

Holcombs Arm: TIMM-MAH!!!!

 

JDG: JIMM-MAH!!!

[Dibs]

One of the fundamental differences between the Losman-optimists and the Losman-pessimists is that the Losman optimists cite Losman's experience in terms of games started.    The Losman-pessimists cite Losman's experience in terms of his years of experience, and blah blah blah....

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No.

The fundamental differences between the Losman-optimists and the Losman-pessimists is....

JLP-Os, when posting initially(not responding) tend to state how "JPL looks like he is improving & we might have a good one"(although I honestly cannot recall hardly any posts being this openly positive on JPL). This tends not to be offensive to anyone since JPL has in fact appeared to be playing far better than last year.

Their motive for said initial post is obvious that they are encouraged by his improvements & are hoping for his further developments.

 

JLP-Ps, when posting tend to state JPLs weaknesses often totally ignoring his improvement.

Their motive for said post is...???? The only thing I can think of is that the pessimists believe he should be far better at this point in his career than he is & that he is a slow developer and that every other poster should see this 'truth'.

 

The main difference really is that the pessimist draws a defensive reaction from not only the optimist but also those of us who are neutral & are happy to wait & see.

Or to put it a different way....the pessimist gets the crap throwing started so we end up with 10 page threads of entertainment.

[Scraps]

You've presented your case quite reasonably, and you seem more objective than most other Losman supporters. 

 

The difference I see between Roethlisberger and Losman is this: Roethlisberger did a solid job of establishing himself as a good decision maker at the college level; while Losman may have been drafted more for his athletic potential. 

 

It's true that as a rookie, Roethlisberger hadn't fully memorized the playbook; which is why he'd either throw the ball to his first read, or not at all.  This situation doesn't really apply to Losman, who didn't start getting real playing time until he'd had ample opportunity to learn the playbook.

 

So the question then becomes, if you have an athletic college quarterback without a proven track record as a pocket passer, how much of a pocket passer can you expect him to become at the professional level?  How much patience is enough, and how much is too much?  The Falcons are in a similar situation with Vick.  Nobody doubts Vick's mobility or his arm strength, but he'll never be able to do what Peyton Manning or Tom Brady can do.  Is that something the Falcons are prepared to live with because of Vick's speed, or will they need to move in a different direction?

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I'd rather think in terms of Favre, Steve Young or John Elway. All were athletic QBs but none of them won big until they learned to rely on their team mates instead of doing everything themselves. I don't think anyone is confusing Losman with Vick.

[BoondckCL]

CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!

 

Holcombs Arm: TIMM-MAH!!!!

 

JDG: JIMM-MAH!!!

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No we have to let them fight it out.

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't read the first 9 pages, i really don't care about another qb thread, but has it all been people agreeing with eachother like they are ESPN analysts on how the bills are going to do this season, or is it the usual arguments?

[Dibs]

No we have to let them fight it out.

I haven't read the first 9 pages, i really don't care about another qb thread, but has it all been people agreeing with eachother like they are ESPN analysts on how the bills are going to do this season, or is it the usual arguments?

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Usual arguements.

[Ramius]

No we have to let them fight it out.

I haven't read the first 9 pages, i really don't care about another qb thread, but has it all been people agreeing with eachother like they are ESPN analysts on how the bills are going to do this season, or is it the usual arguments?

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Heres 10 pages summed into a few paragraphs.

 

The usual. Thread started saying how JP has showed some definite improvement. Most of us see this and think if he continues improving he could be good. most of us are impressed in the differences in 2006 JP as compared to 2005 JP.

 

JDG and holcombs arm are continually and irrationally trashing JP with every chance they get. Its grasping at straws because they have an agenda against JP. Both are saying JP still sucks. holcombs arm has pulled more random numbers out of his ass in an attempt to "statistically" prove JP sucks and Nall should start, even though his arguement holds no water and has been disproven in roughly 1/2 of the posts in the thread.

 

same old stojan differrnt day

[Orton's Arm]

No.

The fundamental differences between the Losman-optimists and the Losman-pessimists is....

JLP-Os, when posting initially(not responding) tend to state how "JPL looks like he is improving & we might have a good one"(although I honestly cannot recall hardly any posts being this openly positive on JPL).  This tends not to be offensive to anyone since JPL has in fact appeared to be playing far better than last year. 

Their motive for said initial post is obvious that they are encouraged by his improvements & are hoping for his further developments.

 

JLP-Ps, when posting tend to state JPLs weaknesses often totally ignoring his improvement. 

Their motive for said post is...????  The only thing I can think of is that the pessimists believe he should be far better at this point in his career than he is & that he is a slow developer and that every other poster should see this 'truth'.

 

The main difference really is that the pessimist draws a defensive reaction from not only the optimist but also those of us who are neutral & are happy to wait & see. 

Or to put it a different way....the pessimist gets the crap throwing started so we end up with 10 page threads of entertainment.

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I went back and reread the first three pages of this thread. It started off with comments from people who were evidently very happy about Losman's performance. Someone called Losman's performance "solid," so JDG responded by asking, "if 83 yards is 'solid,' I'd hate to see what you think a 'mediocre' day looks like...."

 

This initiated an argument over whether Losman's performance was solid or mediocre; and whether it was or wasn't Roethlisberger-like. Joe Six Pack, a Losman supporter, was the first to throw in a personal insult. The next personal insult came from Ramius, another Losman supporter; and the third came from Risin, who just so happens to support Losman. On the other hand, many Losman supporters were able to rise above the kindergarten level, and discuss their views with intelligence and maturity. The last thing I want to do is lump all Losman supporters together. But the reason the discussion turned into a heated argument was because some Losman supporters decided to make it one.

 

A few of Losman's supporters have one way of looking at him, and think that anyone who sees him differently is either blind, stupid, or motivated by a hidden agenda. You don't have to be any of these things to be unimpressed with Losman's performance against Miami. Some people saw a performance that was solid, mistake-free, and Roethlisberger-like, while others saw 84 passing yards and a punter with a very sore foot.

[BoondckCL]

Heres 10 pages summed into a few paragraphs.

 

The usual. Thread started saying how JP has showed some definite improvement. Most of us see this and think if he continues improving he could be good. most of us are impressed in the differences in 2006 JP as compared to 2005 JP.

 

JDG and holcombs arm are continually and irrationally trashing JP with every chance they get. Its grasping at straws because they have an agenda against JP. Both are saying JP still sucks. holcombs arm has pulled more random numbers out of his ass in an attempt to "statistically" prove JP sucks and Nall should start, even though his arguement holds no water and has been disproven in roughly 1/2 of the posts in the thread.

 

same old stojan differrnt day

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That's what i thought.

 

 

 

 

 

LETS GO JP!!!!!!!!

[Orton's Arm]

That's what i thought.

LETS GO JP!!!!!!!!

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What on earth is Rian Lindell doing on your probationary list? He's a perfectly good kicker, and has yet to miss a FG this season. Also, why is McCargo on your list? If you're willing to give Losman three years to develop, why not give McCargo at least three games?

[RuntheDamnBall]

I'd rather think in terms of Favre, Steve Young or John Elway.  All were athletic QBs but none of them won big until they learned to rely on their team mates instead of doing everything themselves.  I don't think anyone is confusing Losman with Vick.

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Steve Young: total failure. That guy wasn't good until like his fifth year. As we know, any QB who isn't pro bowl caliber by year 3 is worthless.

 

Now let's play Nall ball! Winning sucks! Yee haw!