yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Good question. Was Mohammed, in fact, Muslim? Was Jesus, for that matter, Christian? 786165[/snapback] I don't know, I guess that's dependant upon how you define things. As I recall, jesus saw himself as a jew, but a bit of a reformist one at that (which is also up for debate, but that's for another thread). You could make the argument that he was the first christian, but it wasn't as though he refered to himself as such. But his actions and speech did define what we know as modern christianity. Which brings me back to my long standing question: Was mohammed violent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 I don't know, I guess that's dependant upon how you define things. As I recall, jesus saw himself as a jew, but a bit of a reformist one at that (which is also up for debate, but that's for another thread). You could make the argument that he was the first christian, but it wasn't as though he refered to himself as such. But his actions and speech did define what we know as modern christianity. Which brings me back to my long standing question: Was mohammed violent? 786181[/snapback] Yes and no. PBS has an article putting his actions in a historic context, which is essential when debating this question: http://www.pbs.org/muhammad/ma_violence.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Yes and no. PBS has an article putting his actions in a historic context, which is essential when debating this question: http://www.pbs.org/muhammad/ma_violence.shtml 786202[/snapback] Good little article. It scratches the surface of the contradictions found in the koran, but doesn't go very deep. As mohhameds life changed, so did his preachings. They weren't very consistant at times. And he also wasn't exceptionaly good at practicing what he preached either. That's why I find the whole thing pretty dubious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicot Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Good little article. It scratches the surface of the contradictions found in the koran, but doesn't go very deep. As mohhameds life changed, so did his preachings. They weren't very consistant at times. And he also wasn't exceptionaly good at practicing what he preached either. That's why I find the whole thing pretty dubious. 786272[/snapback] Have you ever read the Koran, even an English translation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Have you ever read the Koran, even an English translation? 786417[/snapback] front to back? no. iv'e browsed my way through a bunch of online versoins though. didn't amount to anything more than curious research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 front to back? no. iv'e browsed my way through a bunch of online versoins though. didn't amount to anything more than curious research. 786964[/snapback] I can see where you'd be an authority, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I can see where you'd be an authority, then. 787024[/snapback] Reading before commenting is so overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Reading before commenting is so overrated. 787059[/snapback] I'm sure he got the Cliffs Notes from Fox News, though. Who needs real understanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I'm sure he got the Cliffs Notes from Fox News, though. Who needs real understanding? 787071[/snapback] Ever gonna answer those questions monkey-boy? I bet not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Ever gonna answer those questions monkey-boy? I bet not.... 787191[/snapback] Actually, I did answer JSP's. Never heard back from him, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Actually, I did answer JSP's. Never heard back from him, though. 787205[/snapback] Actually, I tried to but it said your inbox was full. An insightful response, for a simian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Actually, I tried to but it said your inbox was full. An insightful response, for a simian. 787280[/snapback] Bad timing. It was full for all of about 30 seconds. Wish I remembered what I answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 More tripe from Iran By the way, the "Zionist influence" on Disney's Board of Directors is one person out of 13! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 More tripe from Iran By the way, the "Zionist influence" on Disney's Board of Directors is one person out of 13! 787663[/snapback] 7.7% of Disney's board...that's what they said. The Tom & Jerry analysis is particularly brilliant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 7.7% of Disney's board...that's what they said. The Tom & Jerry analysis is particularly brilliant... 787668[/snapback] Tom and Jerry was made to change European perseptions of mice. How clever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 More from the same place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 More from the same place. 787823[/snapback] That's a pretty decent site. The few transcripts I browsed illustrated pretty clearly the difference between Muslims who practice their religion and extremists who manipulate others with it. Of course, if you just read the headlines, your opinion will be "IslamBad! " (I assume you have this trademarked by now, yall). The actual transcripts, though, are pretty informative. Save the ones from the Iranians. Those are just funny. Tom and Jerry rehabilitating the Jew... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Darnit, the cover has been blown. Never mind the utter failure in having only 7.7% of Disney's directors. Gotta work harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Good little article. It scratches the surface of the contradictions found in the koran, but doesn't go very deep. As mohhameds life changed, so did his preachings. They weren't very consistant at times. And he also wasn't exceptionaly good at practicing what he preached either. That's why I find the whole thing pretty dubious. 786272[/snapback] Erm, dude, like others have suggested, read the Koran. When you put his actions into historical perspective with what the Koran says, it actually makes sense as to why he did what he did. Growing up, I attended a church who was insistent in putting the Bible's passages into historical context. And for good reason - even if it is the word of Allah, or Jesus, or God, its still effected by biases of the people who recorded it (and, not to mention, translations, thats another thing). Muhammad was, after all, just a human, subject to every single weakness that humans have. Yeah, he was the greatest prophet ever according to Islam, but he was STILL a human. If you expect a human to be perfect, you're joking yourself. Tis one of the many problems I have with Christianity, but alas, lets not go there at this point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Did you know Pepsi stands for Pay Every Penny Save Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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