RuntheDamnBall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 The koran is a text of hypocracy. 785462[/snapback] The Bible is also a text of "hypocracy" [sic], or even hypocrisy. Most religious texts have inherent contradictions which is in no small part due to societal revisions, multiple writers, and mistranslations over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 The koran is a text of hypocracy.785462[/snapback] How would you know? You can't even read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 How would you know? You can't even read it. 785590[/snapback] Once again no counter points other than "the only way to understand it is to know arabic" argument. Brilliant stuff, really, if ethnocentrism is a valid point for a logical argument. All you and KRC can muster is "blah blah blah" and "you just hate islam" and at best "oh yeah, well other religions suck too". How about addressing any of the real issues and flaws with THIS particular religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 The Bible is also a text of "hypocracy" [sic], or even hypocrisy. Most religious texts have inherent contradictions which is in no small part due to societal revisions, multiple writers, and mistranslations over the years. 785574[/snapback] I don't deny that one bit. I'm well aware of the flaws with all major religions. But right now radical islam is a major problem worldwide, and it needs to be addressed. The problem is, a large portion of the muslims in the world cannot handle any dialogue regarding their religion and view it as an attack. It's as though the feel they deserve a special treatment, one that their founder did not afford to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 All you and KRC can muster is "blah blah blah" and "you just hate islam" and at best "oh yeah, well other religions suck too". How about addressing any of the real issues and flaws with THIS particular religion? 785698[/snapback] Why bother? You have already proven that you refuse to listen to anything other than MuslimsBad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Why bother? You have already proven that you refuse to listen to anything other than MuslimsBad. 785715[/snapback] Where have I proven that? What counter arguments have I ignored, other than questionable translations? Those who use the violent passages of the koran and hadith for an excuse to kill people don't seem to have any trouble at all with how they interpret the books. Furthermore, not one single poster, has addressed the issue of mohammed being a violent person. Not one! That fact alone has huge implications on the interpretation of the religious texts and the acceptable behavior of those who considers themselves muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Once again no counter points other than "the only way to understand it is to know arabic" argument. Actually, I was thinking more English. But your point is valid: if you don't understand how idiomatic phrases are translated from one language to another, you're not going to understand a translation. Any translation. I'd think you just as ignorant if you were reading Marx in English thinking it was identical to the original German. Brilliant stuff, really, if ethnocentrism is a valid point for a logical argument. What the hell do you think your argument is? All you and KRC can muster is "blah blah blah" and "you just hate islam" and at best "oh yeah, well other religions suck too". How about addressing any of the real issues and flaws with THIS particular religion? 785698[/snapback] I have. I've addressed, so far, most every issue and flaw you pointed out. Your answer has consistently been "But Islam is evil! Evil, evil, evil!", and thereby dismissed a priori every argument I've made by the logic that, if Islam is evil, it's own teachings can't be valid and can be dismissed...which is nice, elegant circular logic. You're ultimately using your a priori assumption that Islam is evil to prove Islam is evil. Which almost hides your ignorance. Almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Where have I proven that? What counter arguments have I ignored, other than questionable translations? Those who use the violent passages of the koran and hadith for an excuse to kill people don't seem to have any trouble at all with how they interpret the books. Furthermore, not one single poster, has addressed the issue of mohammed being a violent person. Not one! That fact alone has huge implications on the interpretation of the religious texts and the acceptable behavior of those who considers themselves muslims. 785734[/snapback] IslamBad!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 What counter arguments have I ignored, 785734[/snapback] All of them. other than questionable translations? And how the hell would you know what a questionable translation is if you don't know Arabic??? Your definition of "questionable translation" seems to be "disagrees with my preconceived notion". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Actually, I was thinking more English. But your point is valid: if you don't understand how idiomatic phrases are translated from one language to another, you're not going to understand a translation. Any translation. I'd think you just as ignorant if you were reading Marx in English thinking it was identical to the original German. What the hell do you think your argument is? I have. I've addressed, so far, most every issue and flaw you pointed out. Your answer has consistently been "But Islam is evil! Evil, evil, evil!", and thereby dismissed a priori every argument I've made by the logic that, if Islam is evil, it's own teachings can't be valid and can be dismissed...which is nice, elegant circular logic. You're ultimately using your a priori assumption that Islam is evil to prove Islam is evil. Which almost hides your ignorance. Almost. 785735[/snapback] So violent muslims must, themselves have a bad translation, right? Surely they are not ignorant of their own language. When muslims riot in the streets of islamabad and hold up a sign quoting the koran, with what they beleive to be a quote from the koran justifying violence against those who disbelive, they must have the quote out of context, right? Where have I made the assumption that islam is evil? You are using a straw man argument yourself (exagerating my position), by stating I assume islam is evil. Hell, I haven't even tried to prove that it is evil. All I have said, all along is that there are major flaws in this religion, which help to fuel extremism, mostly stemming from the action of mohammed. Furthermore, you are guilty of using an argument ad hominem by attacking me personally with your whole "ignorant" nonsense, rather than adressing my points. You STILL have not addressed that point over 6 pages of your posting and a week's worth of time. When someone else called you out 4 days ago on something you said "oh i'll look in to that...". They are still waiting on a response to that one too. Once again, all you can do is post some quips about me being ignorant, not understanding islam, and not addressing the points (even though you claim to have done so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 All of them. OK, quotes please. I'd really like to see the one where you addressed mohammed being violent, and showing disrespect for other religions, especially since that's the once I''ve been asking you tp respond to to for almost a week now. Really, let's see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 IslamBad!! 785737[/snapback] Best you can do huh? I'll make it easy for you KRC: 1. Mohammed founded a religion that is based upon his actions and communication with god. 2. Many of mohammeds actions were violent. 3. If the religion is based upon his actions (or at least all of the ones kept track of in the koran and hadith) then the religion is also violent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Furthermore, you are guilty of using an argument ad hominem by attacking me personally with your whole "ignorant" nonsense, rather than adressing my points. Actually, that wasn't an ad hominem attack. That was an observation. You are ignorant. And, in your ignorance, you choose to argue translations with me when you yourself admit you're not capable of doing the translation yourself. That makes you an idiot. That also means you're not worth arguing with, as it demonstrates your willingness to dismiss anything that doesn't agree with your preconceived notions. You STILL have not addressed that point over 6 pages of your posting and a week's worth of time. When someone else called you out 4 days ago on something you said "oh i'll look in to that...". They are still waiting on a response to that one too. Yeah, because the entirety of my existence is centered around answering JSP's observation about the Berbers. God knows I wasn't doing anything else this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Best you can do huh? I'll make it easy for you KRC: 1. Mohammed founded a religion that is based upon his actions and communication with god. 2. Many of mohammeds actions were violent. 3. If the religion is based upon his actions (or at least all of the ones kept track of in the koran and hadith) then the religion is also violent. 785778[/snapback] I'll make it easy for you yall: 1. IslamBad. 2. Repeat 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 I'll make it easy for you yall: 1. IslamBad. 2. Repeat 1. 785796[/snapback] I guess I expected a better argument from a mod in a debate forum. Guess I was aiming waaaaay too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Actually, that wasn't an ad hominem attack. That was an observation. You are ignorant. And, in your ignorance, you choose to argue translations with me when you yourself admit you're not capable of doing the translation yourself. That makes you an idiot. That also means you're not worth arguing with, as it demonstrates your willingness to dismiss anything that doesn't agree with your preconceived notions.Yeah, because the entirety of my existence is centered around answering JSP's observation about the Berbers. God knows I wasn't doing anything else this weekend. 785790[/snapback] Sigh... You can't address my argumets (or JSP's) and all you can do is insult. You didn't address my point about those speaking arabic mis-reading the koran. They obviously don't have the translations wrong. Have you even considered that the translations YOU are using, might be inacurrate? I bet not. You guys are pretty weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 You didn't address my point about those speaking arabic mis-reading the koran. They obviously don't have the translations wrong. Yes, I addressed your point. I said that you have absolutely no insight into the Koran, translated or in its native language, so why the hell should I debate it with you? You need to go out and learn something about it before I can begin to discuss it with you. Have you even considered that the translations YOU are using, might be inacurrate? I bet not. 785861[/snapback] Have you ever considered that I'm not using a translation???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 I guess I expected a better argument from a mod in a debate forum. Guess I was aiming waaaaay too high. 785859[/snapback] You get what you put into it. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Have you ever considered that I'm not using a translation???? 785868[/snapback] That would have required him to actually read your posts. Of course, it is still all your fault for him not reading your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 You get what you put into it. Nothing more. 785877[/snapback] What? All I have done is asked that you respond to my arguement that a peaceful religion cannot be founded by a violent man. And all you have done in response is to say "duh yall think islam bad yall dumb lol". My assertion is that islam is not peaceful and you disagree. Fine, that's the basis for an arguement. But now, to continue said argument you have to say why you believe your point? What makes islam peaceful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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