ExiledInIllinois Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Oh... What a double whammy. Spend a month away from the wife, send money home to support the wife, kids, and her boyfriend! Sorry for the tangent/highjack... Carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 What was this topic originally about again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Conan O'Brien just had a great joke about this in the segment called In the year 2000, or something like that, where he tells the future. Larry King predicted that the pope would apologize for his remarks about Islam and make things worse by saying "I was being a real Jew". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 What was this topic originally about again? 780253[/snapback] "People are !@#$ing stupid", basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 "People are !@#$ing stupid", basically. 780262[/snapback] Hey... I was still on topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Muslims aren't outraged that their holy book is being tampered with, because they don't recognize it written in anything other than the Arabic script...so it's impossible to "tamper" with it in English. And yes, the word "lightly" is added in translation..but so is the word "beat".Then I'll just tell you to get off your ignorant ass and learn Arabic. You're actually arguing about translation when you don't know anything about the language? You think you're an expert on Islam because you take at face value an idomatic translation you found on the internet by an uncredited source of a metaphorical statement? I could say that...except that 1) it wouldn't be true, and 2) you've got a bad translation anyway. The phrase actually begins, "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger..." The statement in Arabic does not refer to disagreement (which the Koran doesn't recognize betwen Judaism, Christianity, and Islam anyway), but to active opposition - oppression, basically. Again, if you'd actually learn something about it instead of parroting what others tell you, you might know this. What part of "in battle" did you not understand. "In battle." Warfare. When you fight a war against pagans, take them prisoner, and let them go when the war is over. Really brutal code there. Scandalously vicious. Keep in mind, too, that the Koran recognizes Jews and Christians as people of the Book, not pagans or "those who disbelieve". Yeah, that Judeo-Christian monotheistic ethic is a real B word when it comes to polytheism, isn't it? 780201[/snapback] All you can ever do is point out flaws in other religions, and sidestep the problems with islam. I'm not surprised as it's a typical response from people unable to defend their belief system when met with scrutiny. "Well Jews and Christians weren't nice to them either..." Well done. That proves islam is peaceful for sure. And for the what... 3rd(?) 4th time(?) you have completely avoided the problem of mohammed being a violent man. It's not a far jump for someone to say "Well the new testament says a couple of nasty things, but Jesus didn't say this stuff, it came from apostles, and if you look at his life he was peaceful, so maybe thats how I should be..." On the other hand it isn't a stretch to go from "Well mohammed executed people, and his book says to be nice, but at that same time to kill and subjugate those not like him.." to "its ok to kill for allah". Debating this type of reality with a true beleiver is like clapping with one hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 All you can ever do is point out flaws in other religions, and sidestep the problems with islam. I'm not surprised as it's a typical response from people unable to defend their belief system when met with scrutiny. "Well Jews and Christians weren't nice to them either..." Well done. That proves islam is peaceful for sure. 780332[/snapback] Funny...I thought I was pointing how your limited understanding of Islam and the Koran frankly sucks. The comparisons to other religions aren't to disparage other religions, they're to demonstrate how, when Islam was established, it was ethically and morally far ahead of its contemporaries. I would think, given your "Islam is the root of everything evil in the world" position, the simple fact that its doctrine is enlightened in comparison to the doctrines of other world religions is actually relevant. On the other hand it isn't a stretch to go from "Well mohammed executed people, and his book says to be nice, but at that same time to kill and subjugate those not like him.." to "its ok to kill for allah". No, that's not a stretch at all. It is a stretch, however, to say that the Koran advocates killing and subjugating anyone not Islamic. Which you'd know, if you could manage to actually read it. But that would require actual work on your part, and removing one's head from one's ass is hard. Much easier to just accept any old nonsense you read on some anonymous Geocities page. Strategically stupid, for as Sun Tzu said "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." But much easier. Debating this type of reality with a true beleiver is like clapping with one hand. You should try it from my end. I can read Arabic after a fashion, but I have real trouble with your particular dialect of imbecile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 "And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits....... And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors." I wonder about the accuracy of this translation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 All you can ever do is point out flaws in other religions, and sidestep the problems with islam. I'm not surprised as it's a typical response from people unable to defend their belief system when met with scrutiny. "Well Jews and Christians weren't nice to them either..." Well done. That proves islam is peaceful for sure. Are you saying Tom is Muslim??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Debating this type of reality with a true beleiver is like clapping with one hand. 780332[/snapback] The answer is in a zen koan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Are you saying Tom is Muslim??? 780783[/snapback] Yeah, that's exactly what he's saying. Because only Islamic terrorists will learn Arabic or the Koran. It has nothing to do with "know your enemy". And according to him, "Islamic terrorist" is redundant anyway, because if you're Muslim you're a terrorist by default for living according to phrases in the Koran that are figments of his imagination to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Yeah, that's exactly what he's saying. Because only Islamic terrorists will learn Arabic or the Koran. It has nothing to do with "know your enemy". And according to him, "Islamic terrorist" is redundant anyway, because if you're Muslim you're a terrorist by default for living according to phrases in the Koran that are figments of his imagination to begin with. 780798[/snapback] What's your rebuttal to the berber revolt information I posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 What's your rebuttal to the berber revolt information I posted? 780807[/snapback] I think I missed it, because I was too busy arguing about Arabic translation with a moron who doesn't know Arabic. I'll go back and look... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 I think I missed it, because I was too busy arguing about Arabic translation with a moron who doesn't know Arabic. I'll go back and look... 780814[/snapback] He has no rebuttal. His counter arguments consist of "you don't understand islam". Again, completely typical of those who do not posess the ability to defend their position. Notice he never did respond to my or your pointed questions. He can't. Islam can't. And I never said or implyed it was the root of all evil. It's a stupid, hypocritacal religion, founded by a murderer. No one can defend it try as they might. Thats why all the monkey can do is to throw crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 He has no rebuttal. His counter arguments consist of "you don't understand islam". Again, completely typical of those who do not posess the ability to defend their position. Notice he never did respond to my or your pointed questions. He can't. Islam can't. And I never said or implyed it was the root of all evil. It's a stupid, hypocritacal religion, founded by a murderer. No one can defend it try as they might. Thats why all the monkey can do is to throw crap. 784822[/snapback] Yeah, you're right. Everything Islamic is evil. Evil, evil, evil. Happy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 He has no rebuttal. 784822[/snapback] heheheheh, you said buttal that wuz cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 He has no rebuttal. His counter arguments consist of "you don't understand islam". Again, completely typical of those who do not posess the ability to defend their position. Notice he never did respond to my or your pointed questions. He can't. Islam can't. And I never said or implyed it was the root of all evil. It's a stupid, hypocritacal religion, founded by a murderer. No one can defend it try as they might. Thats why all the monkey can do is to throw crap. 784822[/snapback] Actually, its more or less that you are filtering out what information you don't want to read, given your predisposition against Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Actually, its more or less that you are filtering out what information you don't want to read, given your predisposition against Islam. 785179[/snapback] The koran is a text of hypocracy. It preaches tolerance and then intolerance. If you are islamic, what are you supposed to do? I guess look at the life of mohammed for guidance. "Oh, hey look, he showed contempt for people of other or no religious belief, he murdered, and called for subjugation of those who opposed him in any way." How are they supposed to "filter" which parts of the book to follow? Maybe the parts based upon the examples laid out by it's founder? It's like if your math book said "2+2 = 4" and on another page "2+2=5". What do you do? I guess you recall what your math teacher did in class... Or if Charlie Manson had a few lines about peace and love in his madness. I guess if I went around calling myself a "peaceful mansonite" would be fine, so long as I was peaceful, and that would make charlie and his actions and beliefs peaceful too right? Any time anyone critcizes islam. muslims flip out. Egypt is banning some european newspapers as we speak, for questioning mohammed's past. Why is that? The religion CANNOT stand up to criticism, nor can it's followers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Egypt is banning some european newspapers as we speak, for questioning mohammed's past. Why is that? The religion CANNOT stand up to criticism, nor can it's followers. 785462[/snapback] Hitler did it Stalin did it Musollini did it As much as I hate political buzzwords, i'm gonna use one here...Islamofascism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 blah...blah...blah... 785462[/snapback] IslamBad!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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