ganesh Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Saw this interesting fact from nfl.com Back in 1992, the first six players drafted were, in order, defensive tackle Steve Emtman, linebacker Quentin Coryatt, defensive lineman Sean Gilbert, wide receiver Desmond Howard, cornerback Terrell Buckley and quarterback David Klingler. The player drafted at No. 7, Vincent, outlasted them all. What a horrible top order of the draft. Way to go Troy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Saw this interesting fact from nfl.com Back in 1992, the first six players drafted were, in order, defensive tackle Steve Emtman, linebacker Quentin Coryatt, defensive lineman Sean Gilbert, wide receiver Desmond Howard, cornerback Terrell Buckley and quarterback David Klingler. The player drafted at No. 7, Vincent, outlasted them all. What a horrible top order of the draft. Way to go Troy. 774009[/snapback] Emtman met some injuries, and Buckley had a pretty long and semi-productive career -- nothing special, he's no all-time great, but not a bust either. Howard also had some fine ST play (in a super bowl in particular IIRC), from time to time but never became a great NFL receiver. The rest? Yeesh. Stinkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Emtman met some injuries, and Buckley had a pretty long and semi-productive career -- nothing special, he's no all-time great, but not a bust either. Howard also had some fine ST play (in a super bowl in particular IIRC), from time to time but never became a great NFL receiver. The rest? Yeesh. Stinkers. 774020[/snapback] If injury is an excuse, then you should include Gilbert (who was actually a stud DT briefly; I remember him shoving Ruben Brown around like a rag doll) and Coryatt. Howard and Buckley were from the "speedy midget from big name school" aisle and not great picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Emtman met some injuries, and Buckley had a pretty long and semi-productive career -- nothing special, he's no all-time great, but not a bust either. Howard also had some fine ST play (in a super bowl in particular IIRC), from time to time but never became a great NFL receiver. The rest? Yeesh. Stinkers. 774020[/snapback] I believe Howard won Superbowl MVP with Green Bay for his ST play. Not the greatest player to come out of that draft...but it's hard to call a Superbowl MVP a complete bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamsBuffetTable Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 #4 pick that excels only at returning kicks not at WR = bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Long Beach Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 #4 pick that excels only at returning kicks not at WR = bust 774042[/snapback] ...for a different team than the one that drafted him. el busto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Yet, he still has a Super Bowl ring and an MVP trophy from that game. He didn't live up to expectations, sure. A bust (never worth a damn, ala Mike Williams)? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Had an 11-year NFL career. Nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Yet, he still has a Super Bowl ring and an MVP trophy from that game. He didn't live up to expectations, sure. A bust (never worth a damn, ala Mike Williams)? No. 774096[/snapback] True. How many SB's did Troy Vincent play in? His teams were always a day late & a dollar short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 I think this is mostly a demonstration of overrated the NFL draft is as though having a top 5 pick must produce a HOF quality player when actually in real life your are doing a fairly average job if your early round draftee is solid starter after a few years. This draft group yielded a few players who had OK careers and a couple of great games like Howard in the SB, but in general even first round choices are crapshoots for a team. If the salary cap is an issue for you at all, a team is much better off trading a first round choice for a bunch of reliable vets who cap hit you can manage and with whom you have a better shot at predicting how they will do. Folks tend to treat the draft (thanks to the great hype by our buddies at ESPN and the surge in interest in fantasy leagues) as though it is the key to building a team and victory when actually it tends to be at most simply part (and at that even a lesser part) of building a solid team. Good players have to come from somewhere and good players tend to get drafted, but folks seem to mistake these facts for the idea that you have to draft stud players or you are doomer. There are Peyton Mannings, but there are a lot more Ryan Leafs when it comes to measuring ability versus accomplishment. Even worse. Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning have taken the exact same number of teams to SB wins or to a League Championship. Manning is strongly ahead of Leaf by one in taking teams to even play in league championships Yet, folks seem to have some expectation that an early draftee is gona play regualar season ball as well as Manning and even that is not the case generally. The draft is useful but is really overhyped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUFootball29 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Howard and Buckley were from the "speedy midget from big name school" aisle and not great picks. 774029[/snapback] Reminds me of another amazing speedster that we wasted a 2nd round pick on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 #4 pick that excels only at returning kicks not at WR = bust 774042[/snapback] Sorta like a #4 pick that excels only at returning to the buffet table not at RG = bust, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCBongo Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 The draft is not the best indicator of talent. Thurmo went second round. For many years the Bills has the 2nd to last pick of the draft and they always picked up good talent. Vincent is a class act and has had great staying power. I think before this year started he was a fraction of the player he was. Since this is not a super bowl year I say lets use youth where we can without sacrificing the entire year. We still have soild players on defense and some potential on offense. Lets go for 8-8, maybe 9-7 and plant the seeds for a super bowl run in 2007! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Bob Whitfield and Leon Searcy were the best players picked in the first round of 92. They both had long careers, and played in superbowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Emtman met some injuries, and Buckley had a pretty long and semi-productive career -- nothing special, he's no all-time great, but not a bust either. Howard also had some fine ST play (in a super bowl in particular IIRC), from time to time but never became a great NFL receiver. The rest? Yeesh. Stinkers. 774020[/snapback] Buckley not a bust? The guy was horrible. He'd risk all for an int whether it cost his team big time or not. You think he's not a bust for a top 5 pick simply because he stuck around the league for awhile? I expect more out of top 5 picks than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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