Billsguy Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 “They just lined up their tanks and big personnel and tried to run the ball,” said Bills’ defensive end Chris Kelsay about New England. The undersized DL has a speed advantage, but they have a distinct lack of power. The Bills opponents will pound them with brute force. There is a very good reason why some parts of a DL have to be big (as the Bills are about to discover). Being unable to stop the run is a major weakness. The Bills have been unable to stop anybody in the 2nd half and especially the 4th quarter for the last couple of years. Even when the Bills defense was statistically highly ranked, they couldn't make the key defensive stand in the 4th quarter. Until the defense proves it can stop somebody during crunch time, it's going to be a long season. The second half dominance of the Patriots was troubling. It wasn't just that the Bills lost, but it provided a game plan for future opponents to use against the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 You are correct. Teams are going to run it down our throats until we can prove we can stop the run. Teams also are going to stack the box until we either make them pay with the pass or prove that we can block them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 That's why I think the safety's we picked up in the draft are looking really good right now. Because they're both solid tacklers and good for run support as well. Our defense will right the ship as the season goes along. They will get comfotable with each other and their assignments. The offense? We'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 There is a very good reason why some parts of a DL have to be big (as the Bills are about to discover). 771598[/snapback] So how come other teams have had success running this same kind of defence that does not require any big run stuffers? This is a different kind of defence from what we are all used. This defence requires smaller, quicker linemen, and everyone plays a role in run blocking and pass blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 If the Bills' offense can start putting up points -- teams won't be able to run all the time. They'll be too far behind and have to pass which plays into the strength of the defense. Give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 That's why I think the safety's we picked up in the draft are looking really good right now. Because they're both solid tacklers and good for run support as well. Our defense will right the ship as the season goes along. They will get comfotable with each other and their assignments. The offense? We'll have to wait and see. 771605[/snapback] I do see your point, but we need more from the DTs, Anderson in particular. He was off balance and even tossed around too often vs. the pats. If he can't do it, perhaps Williams can see more snaps. I know that he is a rookie, but he is a game s.o.b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 So how come other teams have had success running this same kind of defence that does not require any big run stuffers? This is a different kind of defence from what we are all used. This defence requires smaller, quicker linemen, and everyone plays a role in run blocking and pass blocking. 771625[/snapback] Big or small, what's between the ears matters most. I suppose one could make a case for some of Sam Adam's success being attributed to a big body, but the thing with him and others is that uncanny anticipation of the snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluv Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Big or small, what's between the ears matters most. I suppose one could make a case for some of Sam Adam's success being attributed to a big body, but the thing with him and others is that uncanny anticipation of the snap. 771649[/snapback] I wish we had kept Big Sam; (Pat as well but he was too expensive). Sam wasn't expensive to keep and even though some would say he wouldn't fit our penetrating scheme I disagree for I have seen hime explode of the ball too many times. Even though the other DT such as Anderson as suppose to be lighter and quicker off the ball I have never seen any of them explode of the ball the way big Sam did. In fact that was his biggest complaint in the old system as he too often shot the gap and didn't play his 2 gap responsibilities. Some would say he go tired and didn't show the same burst late in games; which player does? But with the rotating scheme that were are suppose to use I think he would have done just fine. If he was exploding off the line the way we have saw in the past it would take 2 bodies guaranteed to keep him out the backfield. His biggest attribute would be versatile in that he could play both schemes; maybe not at a top Pro Bowl level but better than what we have. Come on admit it, who would you rather have and who do you think would be more effective, Anderson or Adams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 The second half dominance of the Patriots was troubling. It wasn't just that the Bills lost, but it provided a game plan for future opponents to use against the Bills. 771598[/snapback] This is nothing new. Even those good/great Tampa Ds used to get worn down in the second half because they were undersized. There was always a dramatic difference between their yards per play in the first half and the second half. It's one of the flaws of the scheme. I'm surprised the Bills didn't keep 5DTs. Even if there was a drop off in talent the extra rest the other players got would benefit the DL late in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tod Flanders Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 This is nothing new. Even those good/great Tampa Ds used to get worn down in the second half because they were undersized. There was always a dramatic difference between their yards per play in the first half and the second half. It's one of the flaws of the scheme. I'm surprised the Bills didn't keep 5DTs. Even if there was a drop off in talent the extra rest the other players got would benefit the DL late in the game. 771679[/snapback] And Tampa wasn't exactly undersized up the middle they did have Warren Sapp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 And Tampa wasn't exactly undersized up the middle they did have Warren Sapp 771695[/snapback] Sapp is still only listed at 300 and he's bigger now than he was. Granted, I think he's heavier than 300 right now but I'm guessing that was about where he played at when at Tampa. He was the prototypical quick, shoot the gap player that this D calls for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted September 13, 2006 Author Share Posted September 13, 2006 This is nothing new. Even those good/great Tampa Ds used to get worn down in the second half because they were undersized. There was always a dramatic difference between their yards per play in the first half and the second half. It's one of the flaws of the scheme. I'm surprised the Bills didn't keep 5DTs. Even if there was a drop off in talent the extra rest the other players got would benefit the DL late in the game. 771679[/snapback] Tampa DT's were bigger and Pro Bowl caliber. Bills 4 DT's : 2 rookies, 1 mostly a backup, and one just uninspiring (Anderson) Get ready for a steady diet of smashmouth. I don't like the prospects, but maybe Jauron will turn out to be a genius. I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Tampa DT's were bigger and Pro Bowl caliber. Bills 4 DT's : 2 rookies, 1 mostly a backup, and one just uninspiring (Anderson) Get ready for a steady diet of smashmouth. I don't like the prospects, but maybe Jauron will turn out to be a genius. I hope so. 771808[/snapback] Umm, no, Tampa's DT's were not bigger. They had more talent, but were not bigger. Both Sapp and Booger McFarland were in the 300lb range. The Tampa-2/Cover-2 defense always employs "smaller" DT's. Rarely will you ever see a Cover-2 DT over 310 or 320. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 I do see your point, but we need more from the DTs, Anderson in particular. He was off balance and even tossed around too often vs. the pats. If he can't do it, perhaps Williams can see more snaps. I know that he is a rookie, but he is a game s.o.b. 771636[/snapback] I saw very little of McCargo against the Patriots, and that's not encouraging because Anderson gets pushed back a lot on running plays. With what I saw from Denney, Schobel and Kelsay I think we should cut Powell and resign either Sape or Jefferson. We must add someone else in the interior rotation. They looked tired in the 4th Qtr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 I saw very little of McCargo against the Patriots, and that's not encouraging because Anderson gets pushed back a lot on running plays. 771902[/snapback] Uh, they don't play they same position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 I'd like to see them put McCargo at NT with a 3-4 set-up a couple of times per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Uh, they don't play they same position. 771905[/snapback] It's not about positions, I know McCargo is most likely to sub Tripplet instead of Williams. I was only saying that I'd add another body to the mix of interior linemen so they can be more effective in the last quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Remember that the role of DTs in the Cover-2 differs than what the DTs are expected to do in the more traditional defense. Their job is to penetrate and create havoc at the line of scrimmage. It is the LBs that serve as primary tacklers. I think what's missed in what happpened against NE on Sunday is the sheer number of tackles that our LBs and DBs missed. I bet the Patriots racked up more than half of their rushing total AFTER initial contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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