JStranger76 Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 I'm not taking up for Gandy(I like many would love an upgrade here) but also remember Richard Seymore is arguably the best defensive lineman in the game.
Acantha Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 Honk! Honk! (Sirens Blasting)....Reach Alert...Reach Alert...Go To Your Football Shelters Immediately! Repeat.....Reach Alert!!!! It does strongly help of course to draft the ones who CAN play, because if you miss (as did the Bills and Raiders), you are going to pay a very steep price for years, but I suppose it is the same at any position. 770416[/snapback] So the way to build an offensive line though the first day of the draft, is to draft them 2-3 years after they turn pro, that way you never make a mistake.
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 Honk! Honk! (Sirens Blasting)....Reach Alert...Reach Alert...Go To Your Football Shelters Immediately! Repeat.....Reach Alert!!!! I will go a year at a time, OK.... 1997 You list a third round pick....Adam Treu who was a bust, but a funny thing happened on the way to the 3rd round....OTs Orlando Pace, Walter Jones and Tarik Glenn were taken in round 1. Chris Naole was also selected as a guard, as was Ross Verba. 1998 Right you are...Mo Collins DID go in the 1st, but Kyle Turley and Tra Thomas went before him. Victor Riley and Flo Adams went just a tad later, as did a pretty good OG.....Alan Faneca. 1999 Not a stellar year for OTs, but the first one taken, John Tait, is doing rather well. Randy Thomas was also a nice OG at pick 26. 2002 Walker in the 2nd? You should have listed Mike Williams as a bust, however the contracts that McKinnie and Jones (picked slightly later) just signed total close to 100 million. Someone is glad that they chose them. 2004 Well yeah, ya got me there. I too thought Gallery would be great. How on earth did Max Starks last until the 12th pick of round 3? Also, Steinbach, the 1st pick of round 2, is a very good player. 2006 Too early to comment. Like I say, teams pretty much are forced to draft these guys, and rarely to never trade them. Do you think we can pry Starks from the Steelers? It does strongly help of course to draft the ones who CAN play, because if you miss (as did the Bills and Raiders), you are going to pay a very steep price for years, but I suppose it is the same at any position. 770416[/snapback] But the reason the draft is the draft is because you have no idea what you are getting in theory. For your past posts, what the Raiders did is exactly what you wanted the Bills to do. It is really easy to look back and say they should have know these guys were busts, but GMs aren't Marty McFly. This is again what people missed when they ripped the Bills draft this year. They like Whitner a lot as a player and he fit a need. To me, that's a great pick. And personally, I'd rather have a guy like Fowler, who is young and has proven he can play in the league, than an unknown like Mangold, who may or may not be great. And despite the late game collaspe, this line played really well against one of the best front 7s in the league. They were constantly moving the ball down the field. They were awesome if you consider this was their first game together. I honestly believe this line (with a little more depth and maybe an upgrade at one of the guards spots) can be a really good one if they can stay together for several years.
Bill from NYC Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 And despite the late game collaspe, this line played really well against one of the best front 7s in the league. They were constantly moving the ball down the field. They were awesome if you consider this was their first game together. I honestly believe this line (with a little more depth and maybe an upgrade at one of the guards spots) can be a really good one if they can stay together for several years. 770690[/snapback] You gotta stop setting your goals so high C-Man!
dave mcbride Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 But this makes no sense.... 1997 Adam Treu 3nd round Tim Kohn 3nd round 1998 Mo Collins 1st round 1999 Matt Stinchcomb 1st round 2002 Langston Walker 2nd round 2004 Robert Gallery 1st round(#2 overall) Jake Grove 2nd round 2006 Paul McQuistan 3rd round I have been repeatedly told that the way to build a great team is by drafting OL on the first day. Now I don't know what to think. 770396[/snapback] ??? from 1998-2002, the raiders' offensive line was one of the most effective ones in the league. why are you only basing it on this year (and this game)? you're also forgetting the fact that they picked up first rounder lincoln kennedy very early in his career.
JStranger76 Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 I'll say I'd like the left side upgraded but by the time that happens we will need a RG too, cuz Villarial we be retired. I know it's coulda shoulda, but I thought we should have signed Neil from the Pats and planned for the future. One way or the other, I hope we somehow address this next offseason.
BillsGuyInMalta Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 One way or the other, I hope we somehow address this next offseason. 770740[/snapback] Sadly...we've been saying that for the last six years...
JStranger76 Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 I like to keep trying to walk through walls.
GG Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 But this makes no sense.... 1997 Tim Kohn 3nd round 770396[/snapback] And just think, we could have had him had we not robbed Raiders of Billy Jim Bob Joe Hobert.
daquixers_is_back Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 Hate to break everyone's love fest with Merriman but jeez you guys are contradicting yourself. "merriman looks unstoppable. but gallery and the Oakland line sucks" You just made your own point. Merriman looks so darn incredible because its the Oakland 0-line he is going against. Dont get me wrong. THe guy is very good. But take a break on saying that he will surpass the sack record just because he got 3 sacks on a bad 0-line.
GG Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 Hate to break everyone's love fest with Merriman but jeez you guys are contradicting yourself. "merriman looks unstoppable. but gallery and the Oakland line sucks" You just made your own point. Merriman looks so darn incredible because its the Oakland 0-line he is going against. Dont get me wrong. THe guy is very good. But take a break on saying that he will surpass the sack record just because he got 3 sacks on a bad 0-line. 770757[/snapback] Hey, if Vonnie Holliday got a sweet free agent deal for going against Fina, there's no reason not to send Merriman to Canton for lining up against the hairdo with the tats.
apuszczalowski Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 Sadly...we've been saying that for the last six years... 770741[/snapback] And now with new guys running the ship, hopefully they listen and will do just what we have hoped the previous guys would It gets tiring hearing everyone say that the Bills have been bad for the past 5 years, or since we didn't do something in those years we probably won't because that was a different group leading this team. Right now, those 5 years can't be used as a baseline anymore becuase there are new guys in charge now with different ideas and different ways of running things. If in a couple of seasons we are still in the same situation, then we can include the previous 5 years. There is only so much you can do in one offseason and I have faith they did whatever they could to fix what they could
Bill from NYC Posted September 12, 2006 Posted September 12, 2006 And now with new guys running the ship, hopefully they listen and will do just what we have hoped the previous guys would It gets tiring hearing everyone say that the Bills have been bad for the past 5 years, or since we didn't do something in those years we probably won't because that was a different group leading this team. Right now, those 5 years can't be used as a baseline anymore becuase there are new guys in charge now with different ideas and different ways of running things. If in a couple of seasons we are still in the same situation, then we can include the previous 5 years. There is only so much you can do in one offseason and I have faith they did whatever they could to fix what they could 770761[/snapback] Posts such as this are the hope that we cling to and it keeps us going, but Marv (and the Bills) have an ugly history of chasing defensive backs in early rounds, only to watch them walk. It hasn't worked, will not work, and needs to stop.
bdelma Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 Gallery needs more hair and tats. Dude your overated.
Typical TBD Guy Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 Posts such as this are the hope that we cling to and it keeps us going, but Marv (and the Bills) have an ugly history of chasing defensive backs in early rounds, only to watch them walk. It hasn't worked, will not work, and needs to stop. 770854[/snapback] Plus, I don't think much changed with our scouting team once TD left. And those guys couldn't spot a talented OL draft prospect if he was standing in the war room with 'em.
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 They're awful. Hey, at least we know we won't be the worst.
Lori Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 Sadly...we've been saying that for the last six years... 770741[/snapback] Only six?
Bill from NYC Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 FWIW, i believe Starks is a RFA this upcoming offseason. 770597[/snapback] That is great info. You think that the Panthers might be in the market for his services as well? Pitt is probably trying to extend him now but if they fail to do so, he is going to get offers in the range of 40 - 50 million, or so it would seem. A bit of trivia..... The Steelers parted ways with a very good LT (John Jackson) in 1997 or so, but he was not young as is Starks.
VABills Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 I'm not taking up for Gandy(I like many would love an upgrade here) but also remember Richard Seymore is arguably the best defensive lineman in the game. 770635[/snapback] I think not. Not even close. Try: Peppers Freeney Strahan Jenkins Rogers Stroud Granted Seymours good, but Gandy is going to be facing better guys. And back to the original point of the post. So what if Oakland has a worse line. So we are 31st. Victory dance all around.
Bob in STL Posted September 13, 2006 Posted September 13, 2006 I really don't think our line looked too bad yesterday. Except for Gandy on a couple plays we looked much improved. Am I the only one who thinks this? 770380[/snapback] The story of their game has to be: 1) no push on the 4th and 1; 2) a sack for a safety; and 3) a sack on our last possesion. They were horrible in the 2nd half which to me offset a very good first half. Improved over last season? Maybe, but last season is a poor measuring stick. I think they can develop as the season progresses but if I were Marv my prioirity for the off season would be to upgrade the talent at LT, RG and LG.
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