Bob in STL Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I expect to get a lot of grief but I believe that this is yet another game that we let get away. I am not just talking about the failed 4th and 1 attempt, there were lots of "non plays" in the second half. As for the 4th and 1 call --- DJ took a big gamble when just taking the points would have been enough. I am talking about precious points on the road. The Pats were reeling. There was no reason to "go for the jugular". I think you show confidence by taking those hard earned points and sending an inspired defense out there to get you the ball back. Even the old high octane Bills of the 90's would have taken 3. This was a call that resonated this message ... "we better get all the points we can, before we blow it". Guess what? They blew it anyway. Clements penalty on the Whitner interception is typical of the mistakes that plague this team. I don't know if the call was fair or not but I expect more from Clements. The worse part of the game was the second half collapse of both the OL and the DL. Especially the OL. There is no moral victory. The only way to turn this around is to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 You know what would have showed a lot of confidence? If on 4th and one, JP just kneeled down. We don't need any points. We were playing one of the best teams in football, on the road, with a penchant for late-game heroics. You gotta go for the knockout if you have any faith in your running game, your offensive line, and your defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Holding a 10 point lead against the Patriots is not going to guarantee you a win, even a 13 point lead is still not a guarantee. They took a chance (and if they would have made it, everyone would be talking about how it was great) and it didn't work out. They still kept up with a very good team, and only lost by 2 points. Yet typical of Buffalo fans, they have to find a problem with something that should be positive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 You know what would have showed a lot of confidence? If on 4th and one, JP just kneeled down. We don't need any points. We were playing one of the best teams in football, on the road, with a penchant for late-game heroics. You gotta go for the knockout if you have any faith in your running game, your offensive line, and your defense. 768786[/snapback] Given the benefit of hindsight three points WAS the knockout. I take the 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 Holding a 10 point lead against the Patriots is not going to guarantee you a win, even a 13 point lead is still not a guarantee. They took a chance (and if they would have made it, everyone would be talking about how it was great) and it didn't work out. They still kept up with a very good team, and only lost by 2 points. Yet typical of Buffalo fans, they have to find a problem with something that should be positive 768798[/snapback] I am not sure I am typical of Bills fans. I do know that we win 20-19 with those points. I would take a 13 point lead and the momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Given the benefit of hindsight three point WAS the knockout. I take the 3 points. 768800[/snapback] Belichek ( Mr God !!) had a 2 point lead and oh my gosh went for it on 4th and 1 with a 2 pt lead.....was he admitting the lead was not safe? was that poor coaching??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Given the benefit of hindsight 768800[/snapback] TSW official motto... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I expect to get a lot of grief but I believe that this is yet another game that we let get away. I am not just talking about the failed 4th and 1 attempt, there were lots of "non plays" in the second half. As for the 4th and 1 call --- DJ took a big gamble when just taking the points would have been enough. I am talking about precious points on the road. The Pats were reeling. There was no reason to "go for the jugular". I think you show confidence by taking those hard earned points and sending an inspired defense out there to get you the ball back. Even the old high octane Bills of the 90's would have taken 3. This was a call that resonated this message ... "we better get all the points we can, before we blow it". Guess what? They blew it anyway. Clements penalty on the Whitner interception is typical of the mistakes that plague this team. I don't know if the call was fair or not but I expect more from Clements. The worse part of the game was the second half collapse of both the OL and the DL. Especially the OL. There is no moral victory. The only way to turn this around is to win. 768751[/snapback] We were dominating the game, and running very effectively- I think he was looking to put them away. I was completely for going for the fieldgoal, but we need to be able to get that yard and have killer instinct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 Belichek ( Mr God !!) had a 2 point lead and oh my gosh went for it on 4th and 1 with a 2 pt lead.....was he admitting the lead was not safe? was that poor coaching??? 768807[/snapback] Completely different situation. Belichek did not give up points. I never said this was poor coaching either. I think this was one of the best coached Bills games since about 1995. I just think the call was wrong. There were easy points to put on the board and we squandered them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I am not sure am typical of Bills fans. I do know that we win 20-19 with those points. 768806[/snapback] Yeah, because they would've taken a knee at the end down by 1 deep in our territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 We were dominating the game, and running very effectively- I think he was looking to put them away. I was completely for going for the fieldgoal, but we need to be able to get that yard and have killer instinct 768813[/snapback] We need to get that yard someday. What is Rob Riddick doing these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDyl7993 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 As for the 4th and 1 call --- DJ took a big gamble when just taking the points would have been enough. I am talking about precious points on the road. The Pats were reeling. There was no reason to "go for the jugular". I think you show confidence by taking those hard earned points and sending an inspired defense out there to get you the ball back. Even the old high octane Bills of the 90's would have taken 3. This was a call that resonated this message ... "we better get all the points we can, before we blow it". Guess what? They blew it anyway. I disagree. Last year, Mularky would have already given up on the team and replace Losman. It is one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations. We gambled and lost. Would it have been my choice? Probably not, but either way, Pats most likely would have won. I am proud of what I saw today. A far cry of the last few years. Pats perfomed worse than expected and Bills exceeded all expectations. Let's see what the next game shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I am not sure I am typical of Bills fans. I do know that we win 20-19 with those points. 768806[/snapback] How do you know that? How exactly can the game play out the exact same way if the Bills kick those points? Nothing that happens after that gets repeated if the Bills kick that FG, it's not like you can just add those points to the final score and say, "we would win 20-19". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 Yeah, because they would've taken a knee at the end down by 1 deep in our territory. 768815[/snapback] Well maybe they don't march 93 yards for a TD after we go up 20-7? It is hard to say how it would have played out. We may have lost 22 to 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Toboggan M.D Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I expect to get a lot of grief but I believe that this is yet another game that we let get away. I am not just talking about the failed 4th and 1 attempt, there were lots of "non plays" in the second half. As for the 4th and 1 call --- DJ took a big gamble when just taking the points would have been enough. I am talking about precious points on the road. The Pats were reeling. There was no reason to "go for the jugular". I think you show confidence by taking those hard earned points and sending an inspired defense out there to get you the ball back. Even the old high octane Bills of the 90's would have taken 3. This was a call that resonated this message ... "we better get all the points we can, before we blow it". Guess what? They blew it anyway. Clements penalty on the Whitner interception is typical of the mistakes that plague this team. I don't know if the call was fair or not but I expect more from Clements. The worse part of the game was the second half collapse of both the OL and the DL. Especially the OL. There is no moral victory. The only way to turn this around is to win. 768751[/snapback] this is a crock of shiiit. going for it for 4th down is going for the jugular. thats putting the dagger into the heart of the patriots. down by 17? thats hard to come back from. Thats what jauron was trying to do. We had momentum, we had everything going our way. we wanted to finish them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I am not sure I am typical of Bills fans. I do know that we win 20-19 with those points. I would take a 13 point lead and the momentum. 768806[/snapback] Fair point to say you would take the 13 point lead in that situation. And we may have won. To simply add three points to the final score and say we would have won 20-19 if we kicked it is foolish, juvenile, ill-informed and unrealistic in historic proportions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 How do you know that? How exactly can the game play out the exact same way if the Bills kick those points? Nothing that happens after that gets repeated if the Bills kick that FG, it's not like you can just add those points to the final score and say, "we would win 20-19". 768835[/snapback] I agree. I don't know that and lots of plays would have been different. Just like no one else knows that getting 7 instead of the easy 3 is really "going for the juggler". That is my real point. Once we blew the 4th and 1 we lost all momentum. We did not get another first down. Three points adds to the lead and keeps the momentum on our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I expect to get a lot of grief but I believe that this is yet another game that we let get away. I am not just talking about the failed 4th and 1 attempt, there were lots of "non plays" in the second half. As for the 4th and 1 call --- DJ took a big gamble when just taking the points would have been enough. I am talking about precious points on the road. The Pats were reeling. There was no reason to "go for the jugular". I think you show confidence by taking those hard earned points and sending an inspired defense out there to get you the ball back. Even the old high octane Bills of the 90's would have taken 3. This was a call that resonated this message ... "we better get all the points we can, before we blow it". Guess what? They blew it anyway. Clements penalty on the Whitner interception is typical of the mistakes that plague this team. I don't know if the call was fair or not but I expect more from Clements. The worse part of the game was the second half collapse of both the OL and the DL. Especially the OL. There is no moral victory. The only way to turn this around is to win. 768751[/snapback] Ummm... Momentum was clearly on our side at that point. There was no doubt in my mind (or, it seemed, in the doubt of all the other Bill's fans at Busby's) that you go for it. Hell, you're not even Monday morning quarterbacking...you're Sunday evening quarterbacking. Besides, a lot of the chicken little's on this board talk about how conservative Jauran is, and now you complain when we don't convert? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 Fair point to say you would take the 13 point lead in that situation. And we may have won. To simply add three points to the final score and say we would have won 20-19 if we kicked it is foolish, juvenile, ill-informed and unrealistic in historic proportions. 768841[/snapback] It is oversimplifed ok, maybe even foolish. But it is not juvenile, ill-informed and unrealistic in historic proportions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 i would have went for it if i was the coach.......i thought it was a great call! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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