Bush adviser quits

[clumping platelets]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/21/...boat/index.html

 

 

Bushies behind this all the way

[Guest RabidBillsFanVT]

It's so obvious

 

I don't know why were still talking about it!

[BRH]

By the way, I see Michelle Malkin apologized to Keith Olbermann for saying he called her an "idiot" on Countdown the other night, when what he really said was "she made a fool of herself." She apologized for "mischaracterizing his insult."

 

Olbermann read her apology on air last night and said, "Apology accepted... although journalists usually refer to it as 'getting the quote completely wrong,' and not as 'mischaracterizing an insult.'"

 

[IUBillsFan]

quote=RabidBillsFanVT,Aug 22 2004, 03:04 AM]It's so obvious

 

I don't know why were still talking about it!

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I'm sure you think Zach should step down also, right or is it different? Move On

[BRH]

quote=RabidBillsFanVT,Aug 22 2004, 03:04 AM]It's so obvious

 

I don't know why were still talking about it!

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I'm sure you think Zach should step down also, right or is it different? Move On

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Here's a quote from the article. I know the article is part of all the GOPblog talking points today, so you no doubt read it carefully:

Exley and the staff of all MoveOn entities have agreed that they will not be in contact through the election period to avoid the appearance of coordination, "even though federal election rules permit some forms of communication."

Quite a bit different, that is, from -- oh, say -- Ken Cordier being a Bush campaign operative and appearing in an SBVL commercial.

[IUBillsFan]

Here's a quote from the article.  I know the article is part of all the GOPblog talking points today, so you no doubt read it carefully:

 

Quite a bit different, that is, from -- oh, say -- Ken Cordier being a Bush campaign operative and appearing in an SBVL commercial.

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Yes I read it and I'm sure that being the honest group that moveon is that they are sticking by that agreement...even though they can if they want talk...

 

Sure you can think that but it is an extreme coincidence that Kerry has a move on guy on staff…Move on comes out with an ad so that Kerry can condemn it to look good…I’m sure that there was no talking between the groups, of course they could if they wanted according to Move on…Do you think that dirty politics are just one-sided?

[BRH]

Yes I read it and I'm sure that being the honest group that moveon is that they are sticking by that agreement...even though they can if they want talk...

 

Sure you can think that but it is an extreme coincidence that Kerry has a move on guy on staff…Move on comes out with an ad so that Kerry can condemn it to look good…I’m sure that there was no talking between the groups, of course they could if they wanted according to Move on…Do you think that dirty politics are just one-sided?

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Normal dirty politics (isn't that an oxymoron?) knows no party label. But the only party practicing out-and-out gutter politics is the one that is condoning -- and thereby at least tacitly encouraging -- the baseless smear of a decorated war veteran.

 

Kerry has a former MoveOn guy on staff. I said before, and I say again, that's different from a Bush campaign operative appearing in a SBVL ad. Oh my bad, he resigned the day after the ad appeared. But while he was filming it, he was connected to the Bush campaign.

[IUBillsFan]

Normal dirty politics (isn't that an oxymoron?) knows no party label.  But the only party practicing out-and-out gutter politics is the one that is condoning -- and thereby at least tacitly encouraging -- the baseless smear of a decorated war veteran.

 

Kerry has a former MoveOn guy on staff.  I said before, and I say again, that's different from a Bush campaign operative appearing in a SBVL ad.  Oh my bad, he resigned the day after the ad appeared.  But while he was filming it, he was connected to the Bush campaign.

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That's fine if you think the "former" moveon guy has no contact with them anymore good for you.

[nozzlenut]

That's fine if you think the "former" moveon guy has no contact with them anymore good for you.

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That former Moveon guy was hired months ago and it was publicly announced. If there was a hint of impropriety the GOP would be all over it. In fact, given their penchant for lying, they wouldn't wait for that.

 

Are you saying that people can't be trusted? What about James Carville, who advises the Kerry campaign, and his wife Mary Matelin who advises Bush? I know several married couples where one works for Kodak, the other Xerox, etc etc etc. and they manage to find ways to work without breaking confidences.

 

The Moveon guy may well have social contact with the former co-workers, but that's a far cry from coordination with them. Kerry has denounced the ads. I am sure he'd like them to focus differently - but it's Moveon's money and he can't tell them what to do.

 

If he did, why he'd be a Republican.

 

Oh and by the way it's been documented that Bush workers in Florida (surprise) were handing out Swift Boat Liars For Bush leaflets .... no connection? Uh huh.

[IUBillsFan]

That former Moveon guy was hired months ago and it was publicly announced.  If there was a hint of impropriety the GOP would be all over it.  In fact, given their penchant for lying, they wouldn't wait for that.

 

Are you saying that people can't be trusted?  What about James Carville, who advises the Kerry campaign, and his wife Mary Matelin who advises Bush?  I know several married couples where one works for Kodak, the other Xerox, etc etc etc. and they manage to find ways to work without breaking confidences.

 

The Moveon guy may well have social contact with the former co-workers, but that's a far cry from coordination with them.  Kerry has denounced the ads.  I am sure he'd like them to focus differently - but it's Moveon's money and he can't tell them what to do.

 

If he did, why he'd be a Republican.

 

Oh and by the way it's been documented that Bush workers in Florida (surprise) were handing out Swift Boat Liars For Bush leaflets .... no connection?  Uh huh.

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Missed the point but that's ok...IT HAPPENS ON BOTH SIDES...Do I think GWB has contact with SBVT yep...Do I think Kerry has contact with Moveon, yep...It bothers me when one side tries to play the holier than thou card.

 

Documented yep when a Kerry guy "found" one in a stack of other literature...I'm sure the guy just happened to find it the day Kerry files a lawsuit how lucky

[BRH]

It bothers me when one side tries to play the holier than thou card.

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One side?

 

Didn't the Bush campaign file an FEC complaint about MoveOn four months before Kerry finally decided he'd had enough of the Bush-SBVL smears?

[blzrul]

I think that the Moveon ads do nothing for Kerry - they could actually hurt him, because they are negative ads, although not full of blatant lies like the SBLFB (swift liars for bush).

 

Kerry's ads have been notable for NOT being negative. I'd imagine therefore that he'd prefer Moveon's not be negative.

 

However, he has nothing to say about it. If he asks them to stop, then he's colluding. So all he can really do legally is denounce their ads when appropriate.

 

Which he has.

[gmac17]

there is a reason negative ads are used - they work.

[IUBillsFan]

One side? 

 

Didn't the Bush campaign file an FEC complaint about MoveOn four months before Kerry finally decided he'd had enough of the Bush-SBVL smears?

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OMG>>>I will type it different if one side OR THE OTHER...Better, jeez. I thought you or anyone could get the point I don't like it when EITHER SIDE does this crap and tries to say they don't it's just the other side...Clear enough?