Acantha Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 A guy like Ko Simpson? Not sure what you mean by that. He was slated to go earlier, right? Are you indicating that this makes him a good selection? Well, Whitner was slated to go much later. Does this make him a bad pick? You see, I don't buy into this concept. Any way you slice it, we had 5 picks in the first 4 rounds, and came away with 3 defensive backs and a DT. In the process, we are said to have spurned multiple offers to trade down and gain yet additional picks. Again, if this sits right, or even looks like a good thing to you, great! From where I sit, it looks like your view is poorly ananlyzed "crap." 753357[/snapback] No, not because he was slated to go earlier, but because he is a talented player that was picked at a great time in the draft. And the judgement of my analytical skills from the guy who insisted that we cut Travis Henry because there was no way we would get a pick for him (and then refused to admit he was wrong), pretty much means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 The secondary is a place where free agents are out the all the time. Besides, the Bills (and Marv) have a doccumented history of using their early draft selections on defensive backs, and then letting them walk in free agency. T. Smith, Clements, Burress, Winfield are examples of this, and Clements, as YOU say, is likely to join this losing parade. You might enjoy this and/or think that it is a good way to build a winning football team. I disagree. >>>>I doubt it was even planned to draft a FS. But when you have a guy like Ko drop to the second day of the draft, you grab him.<<<< A guy like Ko Simpson? Not sure what you mean by that. He was slated to go earlier, right? Are you indicating that this makes him a good selection? Well, Whitner was slated to go much later. Does this make him a bad pick? You see, I don't buy into this concept. Any way you slice it, we had 5 picks in the first 4 rounds, and came away with 3 defensive backs and a DT. In the process, we are said to have spurned multiple offers to trade down and gain yet additional picks. Again, if this sits right, or even looks like a good thing to you, great! From where I sit, it looks like your view is poorly ananlyzed "crap." 753357[/snapback] So who exactly would you have taken instead of Whitner? Do tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 No, not because he was slated to go earlier, but because he is a talented player that was picked at a great time in the draft. And the judgement of my analytical skills from the guy who insisted that we cut Travis Henry because there was no way we would get a pick for him (and then refused to admit he was wrong), pretty much means nothing. 753360[/snapback] Not entirely accurate. I predicted that TD would have to cut him because he openly declareed that he would not accept a late round pick. TD stuck to his guns and got a great pick for him. In this sense, I was wrong, and I mean DEAD wrong! It was TD in his finest hour. I also said (along with VA Bills, SDS and a few others) that Travis Henry sucked. Well since his release, he has a few hundred yards, an injury, and a drug suspension. I guess one cannot always be wrong. Why don't you tell us what your expert views were wrt Travis, Love to hear them, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 So who exactly would you have taken instead of Whitner? Do tell. 753362[/snapback] We both know that one trade would have changed the order of the draft, but I will attempt to answer anyway, because this is all in fun. I would have liked to take a guard (Joseph perhaps) and gained an additional 2nd round pick. Denver was said to have offered a 2nd, and and yet another pick. This btw is NOT to say that it would have worked out better my way. Who really knows? What I do say that the pattern of this draft was quite familiar and hasn't worked yet. That said, there is always hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Not entirely accurate. I predicted that TD would have to cut him because he openly declareed that he would not accept a late round pick. TD stuck to his guns and got a great pick for him. In this sense, I was wrong, and I mean DEAD wrong! It was TD in his finest hour. I also said (along with VA Bills, SDS and a few others) that Travis Henry sucked. Well since his release, he has a few hundred yards, an injury, and a drug suspension. I guess one cannot always be wrong. Why don't you tell us what your expert views were wrt Travis, Love to hear them, ya know? 753369[/snapback] Travis Henry did not suck. He was a good straight ahead runner who was very decisive and hit the hole hard. He also gave his all on every single play. He had some drawbacks; he didn't possess great hands and his blitz pickups left something to be desired. His running style also subjected him to a lot of punishment and it was apparent that he would not sustain a long career. Somehow everything ends up being black and white with people, the player is either great or he sucked. Overall TH was an average starting RB while with the Bills, nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 We both know that one trade would have changed the order of the draft, but I will attempt to answer anyway, because this is all in fun. I would have liked to take a guard (Joseph perhaps) and gained an additional 2nd round pick. Denver was said to have offered a 2nd, and and yet another pick. This btw is NOT to say that it would have worked out better my way. Who really knows? What I do say that the pattern of this draft was quite familiar and hasn't worked yet. That said, there is always hope. 753378[/snapback] I don't like Joseph, I didn't think he was that good at OU. The other thing to keep in mind is there weren't really any OL worthy of a first round pick, even at Denver's pick, if we had traded down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaLee83 Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 It depends mostly on Whitner. This draft is marked by Whitner, and what we turned down in order to take him. After this, while looking at the Bills draft at this early stage, one is still left to wonder as to why the stupid, inexplicable emphasis on yet more defensive backs. If your scenario holds true, it would be something of an afterthought imo. Levy chose to focus his early draft resources on defensive backs. If either of the DTs is a good player, it would be pretty much a wash. That said, I am thrilled by what I have seen of Williams. 753110[/snapback] I was really hoping to see more out of the secondary in the first 3 PS games. Maybe an INT would have been nice, even more knockdowns than what have been mentioned. I understand that Whitner needs a bit of time to learn but I thought Youboty and Simpson were supposed first round projections. They don't seem to peforming too well against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Time will only tell though, all could end up being studs. I will say this for Marv, his emphasis on studious hard working players was refreshing, although it did go against alot of the draft PhD's. Who cares what they have to think anyways though. I think a good evaulation time will be during week 9 (bye for the BB) for the DB's and DT's. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fla Bills Fan Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 The secondary is a place where free agents are out the all the time. Besides, the Bills (and Marv) have a doccumented history of using their early draft selections on defensive backs, and then letting them walk in free agency. T. Smith, Clements, Burress, Winfield are examples of this, and Clements, as YOU say, is likely to join this losing parade. You might enjoy this and/or think that it is a good way to build a winning football team. I disagree. >>>>I doubt it was even planned to draft a FS. But when you have a guy like Ko drop to the second day of the draft, you grab him.<<<< A guy like Ko Simpson? Not sure what you mean by that. He was slated to go earlier, right? Are you indicating that this makes him a good selection? Well, Whitner was slated to go much later. Does this make him a bad pick? You see, I don't buy into this concept. Any way you slice it, we had 5 picks in the first 4 rounds, and came away with 3 defensive backs and a DT. In the process, we are said to have spurned multiple offers to trade down and gain yet additional picks. Again, if this sits right, or even looks like a good thing to you, great! From where I sit, it looks like your view is poorly ananlyzed "crap." 753357[/snapback] Pro Football Weekly had Ko Simpson rated the 5th best safety in the draft. They slated him to go 2nd or 3rd round. Donte Whitner was rated the #1 safety & slated to go in the 1st round. Since he was slated to go in the same round he was selected in, how can you say he was slated to go much later than he was selected?Simpson on the other hand was slated to go 2nd or 3rd and was drafted in the 4th. The bottom line is I think there were more than a few teams that were suprised and pissed that Whitner was gone when there turn to pick came up. PFW had Whitner on the Hot list to draft for: the Falcons, Bengals, & Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Marv had nothing to do with the draft. The question should be is "Tom Modrak a genius or a goat". 753114[/snapback] Disagree....TM finds the players....It was up to Marv and Juron to decide if they wanted to stay at their position and pick Whitner or accept the trade offer from Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 I don't like Joseph, I didn't think he was that good at OU. The other thing to keep in mind is there weren't really any OL worthy of a first round pick, even at Denver's pick, if we had traded down. 753429[/snapback] I only watched Tampa's first preseason game, but what I saw from both Joseph and Jeremy Trueblood was encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 It depends mostly on Whitner. This draft is marked by Whitner, and what we turned down in order to take him. After this, while looking at the Bills draft at this early stage, one is still left to wonder as to why the stupid, inexplicable emphasis on yet more defensive backs. If your scenario holds true, it would be something of an afterthought imo. Levy chose to focus his early draft resources on defensive backs. If either of the DTs is a good player, it would be pretty much a wash. That said, I am thrilled by what I have seen of Williams. 753110[/snapback] On draft day, the Bills had two quality DB's on the roster - and one of those was (and is) a on a one-year franchise tag contract, whom we had promised not to tag for next season. Most NFL teams need 5 good DB's, as in this day and age in the NFL, the nickel CB is a virtual starter. That left us 3-4 quality DB's shy of having a good secondary. So I guess that I don't see anything inexplicable about it. JDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 I only watched Tampa's first preseason game, but what I saw from both Joseph and Jeremy Trueblood was encouraging. 753789[/snapback] Thats good. Joseph always seemed slow to me at OU, he got beat quick D-lineman. Maybe he's picked his game up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Thats good. Joseph always seemed slow to me at OU, he got beat quick D-lineman. Maybe he's picked his game up though. 754166[/snapback] He was also playing out of position. He should be playing guard, where his weaknesses (like his quickness) will be limited and his strengths (like his pass blocking) will be increased. Now, that said, I saw Joseph get to the 2nd level fairly well in their first preseason game, so maybe he has been working on his game. I remember from the pre-draft stuff I read about how astute he is and how much he studies game film and is constantly working on his techinique. Sure would've been nice to see the Bills grab him after a trade down, but I digress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 When you look at a draft...you have to look at the WHOLE draft not just the top picks..... I personally feel that this draft is going to be remembered as the place where the core of our team was put together for our championship run..... Whitner.....he doesn't even know what he is doing yet and he is already making plays...... McCargo....keep in mind that a. McCargo is a junior and b. he needs to add some strength....this is why he is in a rotation and not being counted on as "the guy".....McCargo is going to need a year but watch out with this guy Yobuty....is going to be special....Ko Simpson is looking like a player Kyle Williams...nuff said and believe it or not I think that Brad Butler has had himself a solid camp as well....good enough that they released a former first round pick veteran..... This draft is looking REALLY good to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 This draft is looking REALLY good to me.... 754339[/snapback] Everything looks really good to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted August 28, 2006 Author Share Posted August 28, 2006 Everything looks really good to you. 754365[/snapback] I used to have that problem back in college when I drank a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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