cromagnum Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Gen. Batiste: Rumsfeld ' served up our great military a huge bowl of chicken feces' http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/25/batiste-rumsfeld/ How many more of these generals and retired officers will come out and criticize the top of the military command(Bush ,Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the neo-con architects of the Iraq war? Is that unpatriotic and weak like the democrats are unpatriotic and terrorist sympathizers... Will the republican media machine swiftboat General Batiste? Foxnews-rush limbaugh and michael savage are going to be at the battle stations launching a counter-offensive to reel in- general batitse in and concentrate on americas priority # 1, the all important november elections and save the republican war machine hereos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 more crtics This was a letter that was supposedly published in several major American newspapers last week. Batiste isn't alone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromagnum Posted August 26, 2006 Author Share Posted August 26, 2006 more crtics This was a letter that was supposedly published in several major American newspapers last week. Batiste isn't alone... 752415[/snapback] Thats a long list with impressive americans. I wonder how bush took that revelation? Oh thats right, bush don't read newspapers, remember him stateing that on the 04 campaign trail Remember that john travolta movie:boy in the bubble? was that based on bush's life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Thats a long list with impressive americans. I wonder how bush took that revelation? Oh thats right, bush don't read newspapers, remember him stateing that on the 04 campaign trail Remember that john travolta movie:boy in the bubble? was that based on bush's life 752497[/snapback] "Impressive"? How many of them had you actually heard of before you read that link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromagnum Posted August 26, 2006 Author Share Posted August 26, 2006 "Impressive"? How many of them had you actually heard of before you read that link? 752578[/snapback] It not the individual, it's the RANK. To me generals and admirals have achieved what few americans have in the U.S. military....Thats Impressive!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 It not the individual, it's the RANK. To me generals and admirals have achieved what few americans have in the U.S. military....Thats Impressive!!! 752629[/snapback] I'll give you that...if you also realize that achieving that level of rank is often as much (or more so) a result of political ability as it is military ability. Batiste, I actually have a measure of respect for, as I actually know something about how he handled his division. The rest of them...Becton, for example, did command VII Corps. He also retired a quarter-century ago. His knowledge of the Iran situation may very well be little better than any of ours. Ditto Johns and Shanahan. Most of them aren't just retired, they're long retired (quite a few - Shanahan, for instance - before anti-American Islamic extremism and the modern Middle East even existed). If many of these people had been on the ball for the Iranian revolution and the hostage crisis, Iran wouldn't be an issue now. The only two I'd truly trust at face value off that letter TPS linked to are Generals Hoar and Kennedy...though it's also important to note that their performance directly related to the issue they're commenting on is spotty, at best. CENTCOM's performance under Hoar - Somalia, anyone? - was questionable; Kennedy, due to her rank and position in the late 90's, has to share some blame for 9/11, and maybe even Iraq. (Doubt it...but I could make a case for it.) It's also important to note that Kennedy also seems to have had a rabidly pro-Clinton, anti-Bush axe to grind since before Bush was even president; her justifications keep changing, but she's consistently against Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 "Impressive"? How many of them had you actually heard of before you read that link? 752578[/snapback] there's a "but...but...but...I've HEARD of him" joke in there somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Hoar and Kennedy... 752697[/snapback] That's redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromagnum Posted August 27, 2006 Author Share Posted August 27, 2006 I'll give you that...if you also realize that achieving that level of rank is often as much (or more so) a result of political ability as it is military ability. Batiste, I actually have a measure of respect for, as I actually know something about how he handled his division. The rest of them...Becton, for example, did command VII Corps. He also retired a quarter-century ago. His knowledge of the Iran situation may very well be little better than any of ours. Ditto Johns and Shanahan. Most of them aren't just retired, they're long retired (quite a few - Shanahan, for instance - before anti-American Islamic extremism and the modern Middle East even existed). If many of these people had been on the ball for the Iranian revolution and the hostage crisis, Iran wouldn't be an issue now. The only two I'd truly trust at face value off that letter TPS linked to are Generals Hoar and Kennedy...though it's also important to note that their performance directly related to the issue they're commenting on is spotty, at best. CENTCOM's performance under Hoar - Somalia, anyone? - was questionable; Kennedy, due to her rank and position in the late 90's, has to share some blame for 9/11, and maybe even Iraq. (Doubt it...but I could make a case for it.) It's also important to note that Kennedy also seems to have had a rabidly pro-Clinton, anti-Bush axe to grind since before Bush was even president; her justifications keep changing, but she's consistently against Bush. 752697[/snapback] I appreciate the info, obviously you know more about their individual careers than I (I understand politics is involved with ladder climbing in the military ranks) and probably 70 % or more than the average joe in america. And I will give you that It still speaks volumes when high ranking military officials come forward and publicly say theres a problem. I will also check the list of these U.S. military professionals and see whats known and what they accomplished be it good or bad... Sure they could have an ax to grind, But they very well may have a Valid point. Rummy may have great book smarts, but his major errors have surfaced these last 5 years....Tora bora and the hunt for bin laden, iman al zarawi and al qeada and the taliban in 2001 and the failure on AZZHOLES # 1and # 1 bin laden and iman al zarawi...... The initial iraq invasion looked perfectly executed and was claimed that by many, I would love to post the foxnews pundit quotes, but it's better not to on this board... Until the errors showed up and choas set in, and it's getting worse not better.. Everybody fuggs up, the best of the best fix it,Rummy has let the iraq war dig a hole within america and the dirt is falling in, lets hope he finds a fix before it's collapses on him and all america......Lives and fortune are at stake.. Current up to date and active cost of the iraq war $ 300 hundred billion+ http://costofwar.com/embed.html Now I tend to vote for a dem, allthough there are repubs I admire and respect and would vote for them. My Thoughts are: Tell the Iraqi's we need to have more iraqi troops trained, be it in iraq or do it at the U.S. base in afghanistan or germany.. And slowly redeploy to afghanistan, while still in Iraq and funding and training and going on search and destroy missions..Here's a link about loose nukes and Al Qaeda. http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/articl...articleid=23647 Heres a link about suspected nations involved in nuclear programs, and the nuclear smugglers in it for $ and terrorism and $$$. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nukes/ I believe we are staying in Iraq for a longtime, so this is not a cut and run plan. Our military bases that were in saudi arabia are now in Iraq..Were protecting the initial investment of this war and the resources in the ground. 14 enduring U.S. military bases in Iraq. http://globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/04...uring-bases.htm And with aircraft carriers, submarines, spy satelites, and an active network of intelligence agents deep in the terrorist circles and foreign gov'ts and the increased fed budget expanding this program we are and will have better intell for the furure. Terrorism and U.S. policy, it's from 2001 ( I will post an update if I find it) http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB55/index1.html Basicaly the U.S. is able to monitor and infiltrate and destroy most problems to a certain degree..(I have no problem using nukes, but in certain cases theres details in that decision that gets overlooked by the gungho button pushers, mainly Economic repercussions..Yeah it would be easy to make the mid east glass, and for the record I know of no CTM post where you stated nuke em, I post that for the casual reader. U.S. military bases in central asia and effectively surrounding the mid-east!!! I think the texas terminology is corralled http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/200...09-attack01.htm As we slowly redeploy we ship troops to the phillipines to combat abu sayef and the other terrorist organizations there http://www.cfr.org/publication/9235/ ...We send troops as needed to different fronts in the gwot....We also pound the snot out of the remaining taliban and al qeada in afghanistan... Al Qaeda and the talibans efforts in afghanistan and Al Qeada's long march to war. Written by michael scheuer who was with the cia for 22 years and was chief of the bin laden unit. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HE31Ak02.html and TALK to the president of pakistan and explain our concerns about bin laden and al qeada being ''somewhat harbored in norhtern pakistan''. Bush in 01 told america that he would make no distinction to terrorist or those that harbor terrorist, then we went to Iraq built on ''very faulty and cherry picked intelligence''.. I am not saying invade pakistan,,,,, I am suggesting that the bush administration work their jawbones and use a ironfist wrapped in velvet and tell musharraf the U.S. CONCERNS ABOUT THESE POS azzholes bin laden-iman al zarawi and al qeada roaming the countryside and planning and executting terrorist attacks around the globe ..And are the planners and perps of 911 We also send some troops back to the U.S. southern border for their new detail of protecting that border from terrorist sneaking in with plans to detonate devices in our cities or whatever devious intentions in their twisted minds. Now we have scaled back in iraq from 150,000 to say 75,000 (my quess) over the slow but steady redeploy to afghanistan and other fronts in the GWOT Global terrorist link. http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/tgpndx.htm As well as some troops pulling duty on th U.S. southern border for security reasons to keep the global terrorist who seek revenge for a multitude reasons/any extra bodies is severly needed to assist the border agents in this thousands of mile and poorly protected border!! Here's bush at the U.S./ mexican border where an estimated 20 million illegals have entered, as well as captured terrorist including Hizb'Allah and more terrorist affiliated with groups from around the world, it's safe to say, not all were apprehended, given the #'s of illegals who have made it. And with the situation in Iran and Hizb'Allah able to be mobile, there's potential disaster. Bush at the U.S./mexican border http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4TPmfW5PS0...ush%20Politics# Terrorist and the U.S/Mexican border and the risk. http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0322/p01s01-uspo.html Islamic terrorist in the U.S. http://www.emergency.com/islamusa.htm Nuclear detonations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LDavUG54n0&search=nuke# Cities gird for bio-chem terrorist attacks http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0920/p1s2-ussc.html The U.S. ports their strengths and weakness and what congress is planning and doing to prevent a tactical nuke-chem-bio device from entering and the possibility of these WMD's being detonated in these american port cities.. http://www.counterterrorismtraining.gov/pubs/port.html WE Immediately confront Iran with stern diplomacy with the Iron fist in a velvet glove....If iran fuggs up, we are in a position to attack from afghanistan and not have all 150,000 troops that were in IRAQ facing IED's -RPG's- and an array of tactical weapons and possible dirty nuke devices and chem-bio devices.. With the knowledge our borders are more secure than they are now. And that all 150,000 U.S. troops are not stuck in a potential dead zone surrounded by shiite majority iraqi's and armed to the gills by a PISSED off Iran. Irans military capability to hit israel with missiles, fuel and arm the shiite insurgency in iraq and arm them with an array of weapons including nuke-dirty-bombs---chem and bio bombs, and send Hizb'Allah on missions to attack america, and shut down the strait of hormuz where 20% of the world oil is transported everyday and destroy saudi arabi oil production http://www.kentimmerman.com/news/2006_03_0...iran-attack.htm Shiite militant leaders in IRAQ warning the U.S.A. and Israel of counter actions! And the groups of iraq insurgents and sad'r who is shiite and the majority of iraq is shiite will side with Iran and explode the shiite insurgency in Iraq armed by Iran with an array weapons. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops..._insurgency.htm And say HELLO to kim jung il in DPRK This is N.'Koreas estimated nuclear capabilty and missile capability, at some point, ''someone'' or an experienced official representative will have to have a sitdown with kim jung il, the man is just producing weapons grade plutonium(for sale to terrorist?) or to be fitted on taepodong missles, ya I know their test splashed in the sea of japan, they are upgrading and could possibly buy better motors and guidance hardware. Military hardware is one of the worlds best economic producers. http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/nk-nukes.htm Ctm, these are my thoughts and I'm no military strategist , I felt it was reasonable to explain my concerns and unprofessional beliefs on these what ifs... I aknowledge that my formal education is limited, although I have been a voracious reader since I was a youngun, so I have compensated to some degree in what I missed in dropping out of highschool and I'm willing and eager to further my self education by absorbing books and reading material derived from many media sources and web sites,,,,,CTM can you point me in the right direction for sites or books on military strategies? I am begginning to delve into that subject for enjoyment and knowledge. And I will need it if you slay the sh1t out of me here as GWB said to the iraqi's :Bring it!!! Now tear this post down and tell me where I plain fugged up, and put your strategy on the table....Lets play you sunk my battleship...B 1? So I set the battlefied with the enemies and infrastructure and there is lots more in the gwot and global economy, so if I missed key pieces, please place them on the board, and would you CTM ?or any other PPP poster? care to wage WAR in this fashion where everybody can gain knowledge in our simulated GWOT? I know there lots of links and not much type, but it's informative and readily accessable in case I or anyone else cares to peruse... Music break to go with my fresh brewed coffee, insomnia has got me ! http://stash.nugs.net/vault/bigriver.asp?file=3104&codec= PPP Board readers and posters, check out this site, it's jam packed on tactics and hardware ect!!! USAF counterproliferation center and the GWOT, info on :nukes-bio-chem-missiles-conventonal-rivals-technology-psy ops and lots more!!! http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cps-terr.htm 911 tribute song. http://content.clearchannel.com/newsaudio/...ston_anthem.wma The United States Military Weapons and Delivery Systems. We have the power to incinerate the planet or just every country that want's to be fossilized for 10,ooo years. http://usmilitary.about.com/od/weapons/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromagnum Posted August 27, 2006 Author Share Posted August 27, 2006 I appreciate the info, obviously you know more about their individual careers than I (I understand politics is involved with ladder climbing in the military ranks) and probably 70 % or more than the average joe in america. And I will give you that It still speaks volumes when high ranking military officials come forward and publicly say theres a problem. I will also check the list of these U.S. military professionals and see whats known and what they accomplished be it good or bad... Sure they could have an ax to grind, But they very well may have a Valid point. Rummy may have great book smarts, but his major errors have surfaced these last 5 years....Tora bora and the hunt for bin laden, iman al zarawi and al qeada and the taliban in 2001 and the failure on AZZHOLES # 1and # 1 bin laden and iman al zarawi...... The initial iraq invasion looked perfectly executed and was claimed that by many, I would love to post the foxnews pundit quotes, but it's better not to on this board... Until the errors showed up and choas set in, and it's getting worse not better.. Everybody fuggs up, the best of the best fix it,Rummy has let the iraq war dig a hole within america and the dirt is falling in, lets hope he finds a fix before it's collapses on him and all america......Lives and fortune are at stake.. Current up to date and active cost of the iraq war $ 300 hundred billion+ http://costofwar.com/embed.html Now I tend to vote for a dem, allthough there are repubs I admire and respect and would vote for them. My Thoughts are: Tell the Iraqi's we need to have more iraqi troops trained, be it in iraq or do it at the U.S. base in afghanistan or germany.. And slowly redeploy to afghanistan, while still in Iraq and funding and training and going on search and destroy missions..Here's a link about loose nukes and Al Qaeda. http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/articl...articleid=23647 Heres a link about suspected nations involved in nuclear programs, and the nuclear smugglers in it for $ and terrorism and $$$. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nukes/ I believe we are staying in Iraq for a longtime, so this is not a cut and run plan. Our military bases that were in saudi arabia are now in Iraq..Were protecting the initial investment of this war and the resources in the ground. 14 enduring U.S. military bases in Iraq. http://globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/04...uring-bases.htm And with aircraft carriers, submarines, spy satelites, and an active network of intelligence agents deep in the terrorist circles and foreign gov'ts and the increased fed budget expanding this program we are and will have better intell for the furure. Terrorism and U.S. policy, it's from 2001 ( I will post an update if I find it) http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB55/index1.html Basicaly the U.S. is able to monitor and infiltrate and destroy most problems to a certain degree..(I have no problem using nukes, but in certain cases theres details in that decision that gets overlooked by the gungho button pushers, mainly Economic repercussions..Yeah it would be easy to make the mid east glass, and for the record I know of no CTM post where you stated nuke em, I post that for the casual reader. U.S. military bases in central asia and effectively surrounding the mid-east!!! I think the texas terminology is corralled http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/200...09-attack01.htm As we slowly redeploy we ship troops to the phillipines to combat abu sayef and the other terrorist organizations there http://www.cfr.org/publication/9235/ ...We send troops as needed to different fronts in the gwot....We also pound the snot out of the remaining taliban and al qeada in afghanistan... Al Qaeda and the talibans efforts in afghanistan and Al Qeada's long march to war. Written by michael scheuer who was with the cia for 22 years and was chief of the bin laden unit. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HE31Ak02.html and TALK to the president of pakistan and explain our concerns about bin laden and al qeada being ''somewhat harbored in norhtern pakistan''. Bush in 01 told america that he would make no distinction to terrorist or those that harbor terrorist, then we went to Iraq built on ''very faulty and cherry picked intelligence''.. I am not saying invade pakistan,,,,, I am suggesting that the bush administration work their jawbones and use a ironfist wrapped in velvet and tell musharraf the U.S. CONCERNS ABOUT THESE POS azzholes bin laden-iman al zarawi and al qeada roaming the countryside and planning and executting terrorist attacks around the globe ..And are the planners and perps of 911 We also send some troops back to the U.S. southern border for their new detail of protecting that border from terrorist sneaking in with plans to detonate devices in our cities or whatever devious intentions in their twisted minds. Now we have scaled back in iraq from 150,000 to say 75,000 (my quess) over the slow but steady redeploy to afghanistan and other fronts in the GWOT Global terrorist link. http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/tgpndx.htm As well as some troops pulling duty on th U.S. southern border for security reasons to keep the global terrorist who seek revenge for a multitude reasons/any extra bodies is severly needed to assist the border agents in this thousands of mile and poorly protected border!! Here's bush at the U.S./ mexican border where an estimated 20 million illegals have entered, as well as captured terrorist including Hizb'Allah and more terrorist affiliated with groups from around the world, it's safe to say, not all were apprehended, given the #'s of illegals who have made it. And with the situation in Iran and Hizb'Allah able to be mobile, there's potential disaster. Bush at the U.S./mexican border http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4TPmfW5PS0...ush%20Politics# Terrorist and the U.S/Mexican border and the risk. http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0322/p01s01-uspo.html Islamic terrorist in the U.S. http://www.emergency.com/islamusa.htm Nuclear detonations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LDavUG54n0&search=nuke# Cities gird for bio-chem terrorist attacks http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0920/p1s2-ussc.html The U.S. ports their strengths and weakness and what congress is planning and doing to prevent a tactical nuke-chem-bio device from entering and the possibility of these WMD's being detonated in these american port cities.. http://www.counterterrorismtraining.gov/pubs/port.html WE Immediately confront Iran with stern diplomacy with the Iron fist in a velvet glove....If iran fuggs up, we are in a position to attack from afghanistan and not have all 150,000 troops that were in IRAQ facing IED's -RPG's- and an array of tactical weapons and possible dirty nuke devices and chem-bio devices.. With the knowledge our borders are more secure than they are now. And that all 150,000 U.S. troops are not stuck in a potential dead zone surrounded by shiite majority iraqi's and armed to the gills by a PISSED off Iran. Irans military capability to hit israel with missiles, fuel and arm the shiite insurgency in iraq and arm them with an array of weapons including nuke-dirty-bombs---chem and bio bombs, and send Hizb'Allah on missions to attack america, and shut down the strait of hormuz where 20% of the world oil is transported everyday and destroy saudi arabi oil production http://www.kentimmerman.com/news/2006_03_0...iran-attack.htm Shiite militant leaders in IRAQ warning the U.S.A. and Israel of counter actions! And the groups of iraq insurgents and sad'r who is shiite and the majority of iraq is shiite will side with Iran and explode the shiite insurgency in Iraq armed by Iran with an array weapons. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops..._insurgency.htm And say HELLO to kim jung il in DPRK This is N.'Koreas estimated nuclear capabilty and missile capability, at some point, ''someone'' or an experienced official representative will have to have a sitdown with kim jung il, the man is just producing weapons grade plutonium(for sale to terrorist?) or to be fitted on taepodong missles, ya I know their test splashed in the sea of japan, they are upgrading and could possibly buy better motors and guidance hardware. Military hardware is one of the worlds best economic producers. http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/nk-nukes.htm Ctm, these are my thoughts and I'm no military strategist , I felt it was reasonable to explain my concerns and unprofessional beliefs on these what ifs... I aknowledge that my formal education is limited, although I have been a voracious reader since I was a youngun, so I have compensated to some degree in what I missed in dropping out of highschool and I'm willing and eager to further my self education by absorbing books and reading material derived from many media sources and web sites,,,,,CTM can you point me in the right direction for sites or books on military strategies? I am begginning to delve into that subject for enjoyment and knowledge. And I will need it if you slay the sh1t out of me here as GWB said to the iraqi's :Bring it!!! Now tear this post down and tell me where I plain fugged up, and put your strategy on the table....Lets play you sunk my battleship...B 1? So I set the battlefied with the enemies and infrastructure and there is lots more in the gwot and global economy, so if I missed key pieces, please place them on the board, and would you CTM ?or any other PPP poster? care to wage WAR in this fashion where everybody can gain knowledge in our simulated GWOT? I know there lots of links and not much type, but it's informative and readily accessable in case I or anyone else cares to peruse... Music break to go with my fresh brewed coffee, insomnia has got me ! http://stash.nugs.net/vault/bigriver.asp?file=3104&codec= PPP Board readers and posters, check out this site, it's jam packed on tactics and hardware ect!!! USAF counterproliferation center and the GWOT, info on :nukes-bio-chem-missiles-conventonal-rivals-technology-psy ops and lots more!!! http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cps-terr.htm 911 tribute song. http://content.clearchannel.com/newsaudio/...ston_anthem.wma The United States Military Weapons and Delivery Systems. We have the power to incinerate the planet or just every country that want's to be fossilized for 10,ooo years. http://usmilitary.about.com/od/weapons/ 752808[/snapback] Good morning wacka Hey man why don't you read this post and do you wan't to work a GWOT strategy game with links and typed out methods and repercussions of certain strategy's, kind of like how the political generals do it with a mic, except we will try to eliminate the political bullsh-- rhetoric and focus on the realistic possibilities...No warmonger or cut and run lingo, just war strategy and the effects on economies and stability of countries we engage or the ones effected by our tactics be it directly or indirectly.....The dems suck, repubs suck, gets stale after awhile! Anyway post your answer if your up for it? now I will hit the rack for a bit, and check it later.Learn as you go, cool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peerless Calendar Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Good morning wacka 753137[/snapback] You're replying to your own post, and saying hi to wacka? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromagnum Posted August 27, 2006 Author Share Posted August 27, 2006 You're replying to your own post, and saying hi to wacka? 753214[/snapback] Good morning P.C. ,Maybe wacka would have entered the thread as you have and took the time to read about it, and decided yay or nay on my ? asked directly to him, I also asked any posters in ppp the same ?'s , you up for the stated ?....If you do post I will respond back with a reply. I might be on a home depot run for the afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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