Holy cow.....

[Garranimal]

...what the heck is wrong with people in buffalo. I just saw a good number of highlights on the NFL network. The pick for TD is totally on Reed...what kind of route involves sort of running and stuttering around? Even the announcers said that reed needs to run a route and make a decision.

 

But good god, looking at the other throws they showed of Losman's....damn, that kid can sling the football....and be extremely accurate. What are you people looking for.....he is going to make mistakes....Jim used to throw at least a dumb pick a game..or so it seemed....so what....he had the skills and clearly...so does JP.

 

Support our team, stop the Craig Nall nonsense and get on board. I don't hear anyone suggesting we should bench Willis for his gaff? Why is that? it resulted in a touchdown....if he does that every game....as you are assuming JP will do, should he get the hook?

 

They are both number 1 picks....they deserve to be given the chances...uh chances....to succeed.

 

You guys are amazing......watch the plays....watch it like it is a practice game.....don't look at this like it is exemplary of what a regular game would look like.

[RayFinkle]

...what the heck is wrong with people in buffalo.  I just saw a good number of highlights on the NFL network.  The pick for TD is totally on Reed...what kind of route involves sort of running and stuttering around?  Even the announcers said that reed needs to run a route and make a decision.

JP and Jauron both stated in their press conferences the pick was JP's fault. Hey if 3 turnovers in a half of football don't bother you then I guess JP is undoubtedly the man.

Support our team, stop the Craig Nall nonsense and get on board. 

Craig Nall is on the Bills team right?

[UConn James]

What are you people looking for.....he is going to make mistakes....Jim used to throw at least a dumb pick a game..or so it seemed....so what....he had the skills and clearly...so does JP.

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I remember a game later in his career, against the Falcons I think in OP, Jimbo misfired and was picked. Tackled the guy at the sideline and broke the DB's leg. He later said that he was mad at his mistake and was trying to make up for it by making sure it didn't go back for 7. That, ladies and gents, is a football player. Make a mistake, all right, everyone does it; get back in the play and try to do better next time. I see a lot of the same level of spirit in JP. And remember that it was not JP who took himself out last year, it was Meathead who had unrealistic expectations for an essential rookie starter.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

...what the heck is wrong with people in buffalo.  I just saw a good number of highlights on the NFL network.  The pick for TD is totally on Reed...what kind of route involves sort of running and stuttering around?  Even the announcers said that reed needs to run a route and make a decision. 

 

But good god, looking at the other throws they showed of Losman's....damn, that kid can sling the football....and be extremely accurate.  What are you people looking for.....he is going to make mistakes....Jim used to throw at least a dumb pick a game..or so it seemed....so what....he had the skills and clearly...so does JP.

 

Support our team, stop the Craig Nall nonsense and get on board.  I don't hear anyone suggesting we should bench Willis for his gaff?  Why is that?  it resulted in a touchdown....if he does that every game....as you are assuming JP will do, should he get the hook? 

 

They are both number 1 picks....they deserve to be given the chances...uh chances....to succeed.

 

You guys are amazing......watch the plays....watch it like it is a practice game.....don't look at this like it is exemplary of what a regular game would look like.

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Amen brother!

[MartyBall4Buffalo]

Support our team, stop the Craig Nall nonsense and get on board. 

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Last time I checked the roster Craig Nall is on the bills, so I'll continue that nonsense and keep on supporting him

[inkman]

JP and Jauron both stated in their press conferences the pick was JP's fault. Hey if 3 turnovers in a half of football don't bother you then I guess JP is undoubtedly the man.

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Which has susequently been broken down and realized that they were covering for Reed's mistake. JP could have made a better throw, but Reed isn't doing anyone any favors.

[jarthur31]

I remember a game later in his career, against the Falcons I think in OP, Jimbo misfired and was picked. Tackled the guy at the sideline and broke the DB's leg. He later said that he was mad at his mistake and was trying to make up for it by making sure it didn't go back for 7. That, ladies and gents, is a football player. Make a mistake, all right, everyone does it; get back in the play and try to do better next time. I see a lot of the same level of spirit in JP. And remember that it was not JP who took himself out last year, it was Meathead who had unrealistic expectations for an essential rookie starter.

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I don't remember if I saw that live but I've seen that highlight quite a few times on ESPN. They need to show that alot more. It's funny in a way cuz I don't think the DB realized his leg was broke. He just kept running and that limb was flopping around wildly. I guess the adrenaline in his system numbed the mind to any pain. I woulda fell down like a lil sissy girl and cried my eyes out.

[Catholic Guilt]

I remember a game later in his career, against the Falcons I think in OP, Jimbo misfired and was picked. Tackled the guy at the sideline and broke the DB's leg. He later said that he was mad at his mistake and was trying to make up for it by making sure it didn't go back for 7. That, ladies and gents, is a football player. Make a mistake, all right, everyone does it; get back in the play and try to do better next time. I see a lot of the same level of spirit in JP. And remember that it was not JP who took himself out last year, it was Meathead who had unrealistic expectations for an essential rookie starter.

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Yes it was against the Falcons at Rich. He snapped it pretty good. I also remember Jim throw three picks in the first half against the Begals on a Monday night . We came back and won the game.

[buffaloboyinATL]

...what the heck is wrong with people in buffalo. 

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Although I agree with your sentiments, I don't think there is anything wrong with our fan base, we're just passionate. Some people just like to complain, others truly believe JP is not capable of leading this team to a winning record, however, we all care enough to actually give up some time on our precious weekends to read about the team and post our opinions.

 

My personal opinion is that it is time to name JP the starter and use the next 2 weeks to prepare for our first game. I believe he has shown enough to be given the opportunity to fail or succeed.

[gobillsinytown]

I agree. I saw the replay several times and it looked to me like Losman was throwing to a spot. It also seemed to me that Reed was supposed to get to a certain point in his route and make an adjustment based on what he saw in the secondary. Maybe Reed saw one thing and Losman saw something else.

 

Which has susequently been broken down and realized that they were covering for Reed's mistake.  JP could have made a better throw, but Reed isn't doing anyone any favors.

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[Shamrock]

I remember a game later in his career, against the Falcons I think in OP, Jimbo misfired and was picked. Tackled the guy at the sideline and broke the DB's leg. He later said that he was mad at his mistake and was trying to make up for it by making sure it didn't go back for 7. That, ladies and gents, is a football player. Make a mistake, all right, everyone does it; get back in the play and try to do better next time. I see a lot of the same level of spirit in JP. And remember that it was not JP who took himself out last year, it was Meathead who had unrealistic expectations for an essential rookie starter.

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...I've got that on a Bills tape and if memory serves, Jimbo was described as a LBer playing the QB position...

[rastabillz]

Yes it was against the Falcons at Rich. He snapped it pretty good. I also remember Jim throw three picks in the first half against the Begals on a Monday night . We came back and won the game.

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Yeah I remember that game well. Sam Wyche blew a gasket during the game. I think that was his last year as head coach IIRC.

[UConn James]

Everyone might also remember that teams do very little opponent-specific preparation/game-planning for preseason games. This is the time for vanilla. This is not a time when smart teams show their hand (as Meathead and JG did --- then again, the blitz comprised 95% of JG's defensive knowledge).

 

JP throwing to a spot, as mentioned upthread, shows me that he's got a lot more polish (not Polish! ) to his game. But I do root for Nall, to push as much as he can.

 

Also, I expect there will be emphasized work this week with the new center Fowler on the snap. This is the time to work the kinks out.

[CosmicBills]

JP and Jauron both stated in their press conferences the pick was JP's fault.

 

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Yup -- they sure did. But if you watch the press conference rather than just read the highlights, you'll see that it was double talk.

 

JP fell on the sword for Reed and said it was his fault. As a good QB should do. He didn't hang Reed out to dry. He scored points in my book for that move.

[stevewin]

I saw Losman stare at Reed and throw it to him and a DB jump in front and pick off the pass. He looked right at him before he threw it. I don't get all this bad route crap. It was just a bad throw plain and simple - and JP and Jauron both know it and said as much. No bullets being taken, no swords being fell on - just an honest response to a bad pass.

[Trip]

Yeah, I fault JP for that throw too.

 

Reed was indecisive in his route but Losman telegraphed it. If he would have pumped, it might have been six. (He may have also been sacked too, he was under pressure)

 

Still, JP looks A LOT better this preseason.

[ExWNYer]

I remember a game later in his career, against the Falcons I think in OP, Jimbo misfired and was picked. Tackled the guy at the sideline and broke the DB's leg. He later said that he was mad at his mistake and was trying to make up for it by making sure it didn't go back for 7. That, ladies and gents, is a football player.

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I don't remember if I saw that live but I've seen that highlight quite a few times on ESPN.  They need to show that alot more.  It's funny in a way cuz I don't think the DB realized his leg was broke.  He just kept running and that limb was flopping around wildly.  I guess the adrenaline in his system numbed the mind to any pain.  I woulda fell down like a lil sissy girl and cried my eyes out.   

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I was at that game...still have the ticket stub. It was in November of '95 and extremely cold, IIRC...snow flurries and something like -1 with the wind chill. It also marked the return of Marv Levy, who had missed three games because of prostate cancer surgery.

[Mickey]

I agree.  I saw the replay several times and it looked to me like Losman was throwing to a spot.  It also seemed to me that Reed was supposed to get to a certain point in his route and make an adjustment based on what he saw in the secondary.  Maybe Reed saw one thing and Losman saw something else.

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Doesn't matter if Reed ran the "right" route. The DB was there and read it. The ball shouldn't have been thrown. At best, maybe Reed could have been there to play DB and stop the INT. Besides, WR's run the wrong routes sometimes, especially hot reads on blitzes. That is no excuse for not seeing a DB who was standing right where that ball was going.

 

It looked to me like they blitzed on that side and JP saw the blitzer coming in and thought he had a guy wide open in the spot vacated by the blitzer so he threw it out there quick. The DB saw that reaction coming and jumped the route.

 

No big deal. He is still young, he is going to get outfoxed like that once in awhile.

 

There doesn't seem to be much objectivity when it comes to JP. Every mistake he makes triggers a mad search for an excuse that leaves him blameless. I don't get it, we can love JP and look forward to his future and at the same time, still recognize when he screws up without being a "JP hater".

[Tasker]

No big deal.  He is still young, he is going to get outfoxed like that once in awhile.

 

There doesn't seem to be much objectivity when it comes to JP.  Every mistake he makes triggers a mad search for an excuse that leaves him blameless.  I don't get it, we can love JP and look forward to his future and at the same time, still recognize when he screws up without being a "JP hater".

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I haven't seen the play, because I have to wait for NFL network to fit us in sometime in May of 2009, but I agree with your sentiment here. I am one of the biggest JP boosters out there, but he doesn't need to be handled with kid gloves and put on a pedestal just because we don't want Holcomb to start and we have faith. The INT and two fumbles were three plays he accepts responsibility for, and should do his best to learn to avoid. We don't have to justify each one for him. We can just say "bad decision" or "bad throw" without adding "but the line broke down, the receiver ran the wrong route, and Holcomb wouldn't have made the play either".

 

Mularkey is gone and JP will start 16 times, so we can call a lump a lump and stick with him as he takes his lumps, and hopefully develops this year into a solid NFL QB. But just think how nice it would be to have JP as a very good (if not great) QB for the next 10 years? Think of how nice that potential is, and understand through his mistakes this year that the QB position has varying learning phases, and we aren't a "win now at all costs" team.

 

JP may or may not be that guy, but we don't have a more likely alternative this year, so taking that chance all season long with a lot of hope, but also realistic appraisals seems like the best thing.

[Pyrite Gal]

I agree that it is a good thing that JP took the blame even assumimg Reed ran the weong route. I think this is the right perspective take not because it frees Reed on fany blame, but because the QB is the natural leader of the offense because he is the one calling (yes in Jimbos case but with the headset and the modern offense the QB is transdering the call) the plays and touches the ball on virtually every offensive play.

 

Even if Reed was at fault, the buck stops with the QB and he simply is the blame for virtually any miscue which happens.

 

I think the key question is what is the QB going to do about this. Responses can include a bunch of things from the QB improving his play to getting in the face of the WR's (usually privately is the right way) face.

 

I think Jauron probably said it was JP's fault even if Reed blew his route because ultimately JP is the one who needs to get Reed to run his routes the right way or to sit down if he cannot.

 

The important thing for getting Ws is not who we fans blame, but for the QB and all the WRs to work to make it work. Right now, I think there is clear positive chemistry between JP and Evans as seen in the bomb for a TD this weekend and the three scores for TDs ;ast year against Miami.

 

JP and Price show little signs clicking in games but the practice scuttlebut about their plays connecting has been good. This appears to be a case where JP can fix their miscues himself as he has shortarmed a number of passes headed his way.

 

Ironically, Reed and Losman seemed to have a bit of chemistry last year as Reed seemed to be his go to guy on 3rd downs last year more than Evans or Moulds.

 

U;tomately the key to this is not going to br a simple matter of which reciever is a better player (right now I would put Reed 4th among our recievers with Aiken threatening him a bit with his play in the first game and in pracice) but will ultimately be determined by how well the QB and receivers work together.

 

JP and Jauron are sening the right message and taking the right approach if they recognize that JP is taking the responsiblity for it working and he will be a better QB when he truly operates from a standpoint the buck stops with him.