X. Benedict Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Islamo-fascist- I am curious about the use of this term now that the GWB has used it as well as Michael Chertoff. It seems to me that this term originated on the right side of the dial of talk radio. My question: Why the marriage of the two terms? How well/insufficiently does it describe the artists formerly known as terrorists? The term in my opinion seems inadequate or oxymoronic - Religious-Secular-Socialists if you will, and it seems to me that the administration has been using the term lazily to shore up the base. Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I personally don't think fascism is the right term - fascism denotes a central system of power lead by a dictator with belligerent nationalist overtones. What makes the extremeist different is that they are not advocating a dictatorship or a nation state - they want to promote religion. If there was a central muslim state and Allah was a tangible person, then they'd be advocating fascism. They claim to be fighting for Allah and the Muslim world - both of which are defined by religion. The more accurate term is theocracy - they want a system ruled by religion (i.e.- the Taliban). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Islamo-fascist- I am curious about the use of this term now that the GWB has used it as well as Michael Chertoff. It seems to me that this term originated on the right side of the dial of talk radio. My question: Why the marriage of the two terms? How well/insufficiently does it describe the artists formerly known as terrorists? The term in my opinion seems inadequate or oxymoronic - Religious-Secular-Socialists if you will, and it seems to me that the administration has been using the term lazily to shore up the base. Comments? 740621[/snapback] Michael Savage coined the term years ago. They are simply (and finally) parroting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Michael Savage coined the term years ago. They are simply (and finally) parroting him. 740967[/snapback] Bwak. Where's LaDumbass when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 LaDumbass 740972[/snapback] Could you narrow down who that? I have a difficult time seperating the wheat from the chaff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Could you narrow down who that? I have a difficult time seperating the wheat from the chaff. 740980[/snapback] I was thinking "LaDairis," the parrot-boy. But you're right, I could have been more specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 The more accurate term is theocracy - they want a system ruled by religion. 740670[/snapback] They have something in common with evangelical Christians in the U.S.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Fascist is a term coined by Benito Mussolini from the Latin fascis which was a symbol of the Roman Senate. Fasces are a formed by wrapping a bundle of rods around an axe. They were symbolic of strength - that the Senate couldn't be broken. So when the Roman Legions went prancing about the world with their SPQR banners, the Legion's fasces went along for the ride. The US Government liked it so much they put it on the back of the Roosevelt Dime. Today's use in the term Islamo-Fascist might relate to the fact that so many of their true believers are eager to wrap a bundle of dynamite rods around themselves before they go along on a ride to visit the nearest Jewish market, or shopping mall, or bus, or school. The term Fascism has been used to describe other forms of fascism. Check out Wiki: "Although Fascism, strictly speaking, refers only to Italian fascism, the word is often used to describe similar ideologies and movements. Italian Fascism is often considered to be a proper noun and thus denoted by a capital letter "F", whereas generic fascism is conventionally represented with the lower-case character "f". Italian Fascism is considered a model for other forms of fascism, yet there is disagreement over which aspects of structure, tactics, culture, and ideology represent a "fascist minimum" or core." Columbia's own Rober Paxton writes about fascism - "A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." And then there is this... "In a 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", the Italian writer and academic Umberto Eco attempts to list general properties of fascist ideolgy. He claims that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that " it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The features of fascism he lists are as follows: "The Cult of Tradition", combining cultural syncretism with a rejection of modernism (often disguised as a rejection of capitalism). "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dicatates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science. "Disagreement is Treason" - fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action. "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants. "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups. "Obsession With a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often involves an appeal to xenophobia or the identification of an internal security threat. He cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession. "Pacifism is Trafficking With the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" - there must always be an enemy to fight. "Contempt for the Weak" - although a fascist society is elitist, everybody in the society is educated to become a hero. "Selective Populism" - the People have a common will which is not delegated, but is interpreted by a leader. This may involve doubt being cast upon a democratic institution, because "it no longer represents the Voice of the People". "Newspeak" - fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning." All things considered - by replacing "the state" with "Islam" in the above, the definitions fit OsammaDommaDingDong and his minions of ilk very well. I think the definition is quite appropriate and the term should be adopted and used as such on those who read nothing but the Koran, propagate hate against non-Muslims, advocate killing all non-Muslims, and view themselves as being subjugated and persecuted by Israel and the US whose citizens regularly drink baby blood and are unclean homosexual vermin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 "The Cult of Tradition", combining cultural syncretism with a rejection of modernism (often disguised as a rejection of capitalism). 741426[/snapback] Kinda like the Republicanss whole "Family Values" schtick or the Democrats inability to admit the age of the welfare state has passed? "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dicatates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science. 741426[/snapback] 2 words...Patriot Act "Disagreement is Treason" - fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action. 741426[/snapback] see above "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants. 741426[/snapback] political correctness anyone? "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups. 741426[/snapback] fear of economic pressure from lower social groups = Republican campaign strategy fear of economic pressure from higher social groups = Democratic campaign strategy "Obsession With a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often involves an appeal to xenophobia or the identification of an internal security threat. He cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession. 741426[/snapback] Al'Qaeda, Saddam, and the vast right wing conspiracy "Pacifism is Trafficking With the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" - there must always be an enemy to fight. 741426[/snapback] Nazis, Japan, USSR, Saddam, Milosovich, terrorists, the Axis of Evil "Contempt for the Weak" - although a fascist society is elitist, everybody in the society is educated to become a hero. 741426[/snapback] Rome had Christians, Germany had Jews, America has illegal immigrants "Selective Populism" - the People have a common will which is not delegated, but is interpreted by a leader. This may involve doubt being cast upon a democratic institution, because "it no longer represents the Voice of the People". 741426[/snapback] War Powers Act "Newspeak" - fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning." 741426[/snapback] Political Correctness, the decline of American public education, soundbytes, and celebrity culture all come to mind. Fo'Shizzle Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromagnum Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Michael Savage coined the term years ago. They are simply (and finally) parroting him. 740967[/snapback] Hey boomer, Sorry I don't have a youtube link....I just came back from Kenya, what a desolate country with almost no internet service, although you can yoke ley heehoo from the summit of the mountain.... Back to topic: Savage and the term Islamofascist....Lets listen to the insight of this conservative politcal talk show host on Islamofascist and how to eradicate this extreme faction of the muslim religion from the planet. http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/savag...060418-duke.mp3 I tried to find savages views on Eric rudolph abortion clinic bomber, stephen jordi abotion clinic bomber idealist in so.fla and, timmothy Mcveigh the murrah building bomber and their extreme religious faction and how to eradicate this grave threat to freedom loving americans...I was unsucessful in this endevour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I personally don't think fascism is the right term - fascism denotes a central system of power lead by a dictator with belligerent nationalist overtones. What makes the extremeist different is that they are not advocating a dictatorship or a nation state - they want to promote religion. If there was a central muslim state and Allah was a tangible person, then they'd be advocating fascism. They claim to be fighting for Allah and the Muslim world - both of which are defined by religion. The more accurate term is theocracy - they want a system ruled by religion (i.e.- the Taliban). 740670[/snapback] Blatantly inaccurate. The stated objective of Al-Queda is to impose a caliphate from Spain to Indonesia - just like they had in from 750 to the late 1600's. How is taking territory and imposing your will over the conquered populace not equal to facsism. Btw, do you really think that this is about religion? BS. Just like liberals like to say that the Iraq was is about oil, SO IS THIS "JIHAD". These guys know that they are so far behind us, the only way to improve economically is to control the one thing we are dependent on. This "holy mission" is all about money and power, just like every war ever fought. And, they get cover this by stating its all about religion - yeah like the crusades were all about religion - more BS. Time to do some reading and stop getting your info from Michael Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Blatantly inaccurate. The stated objective of Al-Queda is to impose a caliphate from Spain to Indonesia - just like they had in from 750 to the late 1600's. 743919[/snapback] Thank the Fates that a few scraggly european kingdoms held out and eventually won out over such a power. I couldn't imagine speaking Arabic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I couldn't imagine speaking Arabic. 743940[/snapback] B word of a language. I tried teaching it to myself; I managed to teach myself Ancient Greek, Spanish, and friggin' Japanese...but Arabic stumped me. Trust me, if you had to speak that language, you'd want to kill yourself and take innocent bystanders with you, too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 B word of a language. I tried teaching it to myself; I managed to teach myself Ancient Greek, Spanish, and friggin' Japanese...but Arabic stumped me. Trust me, if you had to speak that language, you'd want to kill yourself and take innocent bystanders with you, too... 743949[/snapback] it's not that bad, you just have to learn how to spit at the end of each sentence and always sound really pissed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 it's not that bad, you just have to learn how to spit at the end of each sentence and always sound really pissed off. 743953[/snapback] It's all fricatives, glottals, and dentals. It's impossible NOT to sound pissed off when speaking Arabic. It's like German without vowels...and when's the last time you heard anyone speak German without sounding pissed off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 It's all fricatives, glottals, and dentals. It's impossible NOT to sound pissed off when speaking Arabic. It's like German without vowels...and when's the last time you heard anyone speak German without sounding pissed off? 743958[/snapback] i don't know any germans, except for the pissed off ones on the internet after the Dago Wops owned them but my friends are Lebanese and I laugh my ass off when i hear him talking to his parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I got it down. "Durka, Durka jihad!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Thank the Fates that a few scraggly european kingdoms held out and eventually won out over such a power. I couldn't imagine speaking Arabic. 743940[/snapback] No need to thank the Fates. Thank Charles Martel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 No need to thank the Fates. Thank Charles Martel 744604[/snapback] The very definition of frank leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 No need to thank the Fates. Thank Charles Martel 744604[/snapback] I know who Charles the Hammer is. The savior of Western Civilization... although he was an illiterate barbarian, basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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