VABills Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 since you decide to use a cheap old un-funny joke, i'll use one as well btw how's the weather down there? 740805[/snapback] I wouldn't know. I am a little under the weather today. Maybe un-funny but still perfectly valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 11, 2006 Author Share Posted August 11, 2006 They grabbed another 17 in Pakistan today and 40 in Italy. That's over 80 so far. Also last night they caought 3 arab 20 somethings with ~1000 cell phones!. They were going around to Wal-Marts and buying phones with cash. There is a limit of 3/person/store, so they were going in and out and using different cashiers. Finally one got wise and blew them in. They were opening up the phones, putting the chargers in one box, the chips in another and the batteries in a third. They claimed they were buying them for $20 and selling them for $38, yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 They grabbed another 17 in Pakistan today 741112[/snapback] 17 Muslims were arrested in Pakistan today? Wow...I bet that almost never happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Before going to bed (I'm on the west coast) I flipped through CNN and Fox. Just heard that Britain foiled a terror plot and have arrested at least 20 islamofascist terrorists. They were planning on bringing explosives in carry on luggage. At least 20 flights to the US were targeted to be blown up in midair. England has banned carry on luggage. The pictures at the BMI check in at Heathrow show the concourse to be totally packed. The board is showing tons of cancelled flights. Fox is showing Sky News (Their English counterpart) right now. Only wallets, no purses, no carry ons, medicine, only in clear bags. They said that baby bottles will have to be tasted. They said it was liquid chemical devices. US Homeland security said no liquids on carry ons, including beverages. Anybody who thinks we are not in the beginning of WWIII, is an idiot. These islamofascists will not stop until they are eradicated, like we did with the Nazis and the Japanese. 739719[/snapback] Idiot is a bit harsh- denial or naive may be more like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 They grabbed another 17 in Pakistan today and 40 in Italy. That's over 80 so far. Also last night they caought 3 arab 20 somethings with ~1000 cell phones!. They were going around to Wal-Marts and buying phones with cash. There is a limit of 3/person/store, so they were going in and out and using different cashiers. Finally one got wise and blew them in. They were opening up the phones, putting the chargers in one box, the chips in another and the batteries in a third. They claimed they were buying them for $20 and selling them for $38, yeah right. 741112[/snapback] They are only suspects they haven't been proven guilty yet. Besides they are just doing what their religion says they should and therefore are martyrs. At least that's what the media told me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tux of Borg Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Police Eye Money Trail in Airliner Plot Aug 11 6:10 PM US/Eastern By JENNIFER QUINN and PAUL HAVEN Associated Press Writers LONDON Investigators on three continents worked to fill in the full, frightening picture Friday of a plot to blow U.S. jetliners out of the Atlantic skies, tracking the money trail and seizing more alleged conspirators in the teeming towns of eastern Pakistan. One arrested there, a Briton named Rashid Rauf, appears to have been the operational planner and is believed to have connections to al- Qaida in Afghanistan, Pakistani and U.S. officials said. British and Pakistani authorities have arrested as many as 41 people in the two countries in connection with the alleged suicidal plan, broken up by British police this week, to detonate disguised liquid explosives aboard as many as 10 planes bound from Britain to the United States. "The terrorists intended a second Sept. 11," said Frances Fragos Townsend, White House homeland security adviser. New information underlined how close they were to mounting attacks. After the first arrests in Pakistan some days ago, word went from Pakistan to the London plotters to move ahead quickly, a message intercepted by an intelligence agency, a U.S. official disclosed, on condition of anonymity. That prompted British police to move in on the conspirators, long under watch. British Home Secretary John Reid told reporters officials were confident the main suspects in the plot were in custody. But authorities "would go where any further evidence takes us," he said. The British government released the names of 19 of the 24 arrested in Britain _ many apparently British Muslims of Pakistani ancestry _ and froze their assets. One of the 24 detainees later was freed. The record of financial transactions, along with telephone and computer records, may help investigators trace more people in the alleged plot. "Think of it as a river _ you look upstream to find the source, and downstream to find out where the money is going," said Cliff Knuckey, former chief money laundering investigator for Scotland Yard. American authorities were looking for any U.S. links in the conspiracy. Hundreds of FBI agents checked possible leads the past few weeks, but the homeland security secretary said Friday nothing significant had emerged. "Currently, we do not have evidence that there was, as part of this plot, any plan to initiate activity inside the United States or that the plotting was done in the United States," Michael Chertoff said. Britain kept its threat assessment level at "critical," indicative of an imminent attack. Extraordinary security measures continued at British airports, although the backlog of passengers eased from Thursday's chaotic conditions, when hundreds of flights were canceled. At Heathrow, Europe's busiest airport, around 70 percent of flights operated Friday, but many people turned around and headed home after an announcement that a raft of flights had been canceled, including British Airways services to San Francisco and Los Angeles. At U.S. airports, airlines were recruiting more baggage handlers as U.S. travelers _ facing new rules banning almost all liquids from carry-on luggage _ adapted by checking bags they normally would have carried aboard. American passengers faced a second level of security checks starting Friday, with random bag searches at boarding gates. The alleged terrorists were planning to assemble their bombs aboard the aircraft, apparently with a peroxide-based solution disguised as beverages or other harmless-seeming items, and using such electronic equipment as a disposable camera or a music player as a detonator, two U.S. law enforcement officials told The Associated Press. A U.S. intelligence official said they planned to deploy a couple of attackers per plane, and the two dozen plotters didn't all know one another _ a typical security measure in terror groups. London's Evening Standard reported the plotters apparently chose next Wednesday as a target date, since they had tickets for a United Airlines flight that day, as well as ones for this Friday, apparently a test-run to see whether they could smuggle chemicals aboard in soft- drink containers. The paper didn't report the flight's destination, but United has flights from Heathrow to New York, Washington, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco and Seattle. The British say their inquiry began months ago _ prompted by a tip from within the British Muslim community after the bloody July 7, terror bombings of the London transit system, The Washington Post reported. There were signs preparations stepped up recently. One of the houses raided by British police this week had been bought last month by two men in an all-cash deal, in a neighborhood of $300,000 houses, neighbors reported. Pakistani officials said British information led to the first arrests in Pakistan about a week ago, of two British nationals, including Rauf, called a "key person" by the Pakistani Foreign Ministry. Pakistan's interior minister, Aftab Khan Sherpao, said Rauf has ties with al-Qaida and was apprehended in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area. The Foreign Ministry in Islamabad spoke of "indications" of a link between Rauf and al-Qaida in Afghanistan. On an unspecified date, Pakistani authorities also arrested five Pakistanis as alleged `facilitators" for the Britons in the major cities of Lahore and Karachi. An intelligence official in Islamabad said 10 other Pakistanis had been arrested Friday in the district of Bhawalpur, about 300 miles south of Islamabad near the Indian border. Pakistan is both a key U.S.-British ally in the antiterror campaign, and a hotbed of Islamic radicalism and likely hiding place for al- Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. "I am 120 percent convinced there's a link" with al-Qaida, Louis Caprioli, a former top French counterintelligence official, said of the trans-Atlantic bombing plot. "Was it al-Qaida who contacted them, or vice versa? Only the investigation will be able to tell." Scotland Yard didn't identify the lone detainee released Friday from among 24 arrested in London, its eastern suburb of High Wycombe and the central city of Birmingham. The 19 identified ranged in age from 17 to 35, had Muslim names and appeared to be of Pakistani descent, although many were born and all reared in Britain. One not on the list of 19 names was believed to be a young woman in her 20s with a 6-month-old baby. At least three people among the suspects were converts to Islam. It was unclear how the alleged plotters met, or who the ringleader was, although suspicion fell on the only one identified who is over 30 _ Shamin Mohammed Uddin, 35, of east London. A teenage neighbor of suspect Assad Sarwar, 26, who lived with his parents in High Wycombe, said Sarwar had become increasingly strident after the London transit bombings, in which four suicide bombers killed 52 other people. "He started talking about terrorism and acting like it's OK to blow up people," said Nawaz Chaudhry, 17. At least one "martyrdom" tape, the type left by suicide bombers, was found in the British raids, a U.S. law enforcement official said. Under Britain's toughened antiterrorism laws, suspects can be held for up to 28 days without charge. On Friday, detention orders for 22 suspects were extended through Wednesday. The 23rd suspect, still in custody, will have a detention extension hearing Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Way to miss the point as usual. 739896[/snapback] "As usual", huh? How condescending of you. Your point was that what we are doing in the Middle East is "making them hate us", to paraphrase. My point is that they hate us no matter what we do and what we support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 "As usual", huh? How condescending of you. Your point was that what we are doing in the Middle East is "making them hate us", to paraphrase. My point is that they hate us no matter what we do and what we support. 745413[/snapback] If you're right, and I don't think you are, why the case for the Iraq war based on democracy-building? If they hate us no matter what, why do we think we'll be "greeted as liberators?" I call bull sh--. It's a lot easier to hate someone if they're doing visible damage to your community, deposing your leaders, calling for democracy and then, unhappy with the results of democracy, de-stabilizing those leaders. And we've been doing that for decades, not the past few years. I'm not saying we're all wrong, but I am saying that we have power and we have a history of exercising it in ways that are strictly for our own gain and at the expense of others. That's why when we exercise it now, claiming good intentions, it's perceived as facetious at best. Read up on the history of Iran and tell me straight-faced that they just hate us because we drink Coke. I'll subsequently laugh. Give me a break. And if you take this as a blanket endorsement on my part of the cruelty of radical Islam, as often happens around this place, you are more lost than I give you credit for. I'm looking at the bigger picture, at a long history, and trying to understand why things are the way they are right now. Others would only look at the present and offer short-sighted "solutions," then later prove curious as to why things worked out the way they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 If you're right, and I don't think you are, why the case for the Iraq war based on democracy-building? If they hate us no matter what, why do we think we'll be "greeted as liberators?" I call bull sh--. It's a lot easier to hate someone if they're doing visible damage to your community, deposing your leaders, calling for democracy and then, unhappy with the results of democracy, de-stabilizing those leaders. And we've been doing that for decades, not the past few years. I'm not saying we're all wrong, but I am saying that we have power and we have a history of exercising it in ways that are strictly for our own gain and at the expense of others. That's why when we exercise it now, claiming good intentions, it's perceived as facetious at best. Read up on the history of Iran and tell me straight-faced that they just hate us because we drink Coke. I'll subsequently laugh. Give me a break. And if you take this as a blanket endorsement on my part of the cruelty of radical Islam, as often happens around this place, you are more lost than I give you credit for. I'm looking at the bigger picture, at a long history, and trying to understand why things are the way they are right now. Others would only look at the present and offer short-sighted "solutions," then later prove curious as to why things worked out the way they did. 745462[/snapback] Way to miss the point, as usual. To spell it out for you: I was merely responding to your post that I "missed the point" ... and yet you completely neglected addressing your charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Way to miss the point, as usual. To spell it out for you: I was merely responding to your post that I "missed the point" ... and yet you completely neglected addressing your charge. 745519[/snapback] What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 What's your point? 745539[/snapback] Hey, don't you start with me now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Way to miss the point, as usual. To spell it out for you: I was merely responding to your post that I "missed the point" ... and yet you completely neglected addressing your charge. 745519[/snapback] You "miss the point" by insisting that we base policy on a caricature of the Muslim world at large, which is not getting us anywhere. Even the Bush administration, short-sighted as it is, makes no such mistake -- at least not publicly. You'd think a steadfast supporter of Israel would recognize the dangers of blanket statements. But nope. Power blinds most. Does that address it enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 You "miss the point" by insisting that we base policy on a caricature of the Muslim world at large, which is not getting us anywhere. Even the Bush administration, short-sighted as it is, makes no such mistake -- at least not publicly. You'd think a steadfast supporter of Israel would recognize the dangers of blanket statements. But nope. Power blinds most. Does that address it enough? 745582[/snapback] In an "ADD" sort of way... no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 You "miss the point" by insisting that we base policy on a caricature of the Muslim world at large, which is not getting us anywhere. Even the Bush administration, short-sighted as it is, makes no such mistake -- at least not publicly. You'd think a steadfast supporter of Israel would recognize the dangers of blanket statements. But nope. Power blinds most. Does that address it enough? 745582[/snapback] A caricature? Oh, yeah. They've only been burning American flags in the Middle east for what, 40 years now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tux of Borg Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Like it matters, on Aug 22nd Iran is going to nuke Israel. ....so I've been told by a man wearing a tin-foil hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 A caricature? Oh, yeah. They've only been burning American flags in the Middle east for what, 40 years now? 746011[/snapback] I saw photos recently of "toilet art", one of which had an American flag decorating the tank and the four corners, plus the seat. I'd rather see it burnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts