coltrane34 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 everyone should know that the defenses are way ahead of the offense at the beginning of camp. You should also know that nall and holcolm have no chance of starting game 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 i dont really think nall is "really " in contention for the job anyways................when camp is over j.p will be starting the 1st game of the season in foxboro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Not really, its JPs job to lose 731434[/snapback] Exactly. The whole competition thing is a big smoke screen and the Bills are selling the whole competition thing well. JP clearly has the best talent and upside and they want him to earn it. It'll make him better and more respected by his teamates. JP's got to stay healthy to earn it. Kelly is a terrific backup, not only in terms of his ability to step in and efficiently run the offense, but also in terms of his attitude. He's a class guy that is comfortable in that role and won't upset the applecart if he doesn't start. Nall is an unknown, but Green Bat let him go easily without a fight. With Favre aging and Rogers very unproven to date, you would expect them to make an effort to retain a guy that has been in their system if he had shown them some upside. Nalls injury hurts his chances to be #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 I say no. But I really hope his injury is not to serious. I really want Nall to get the job. Sites like billsdaily.com think so.... http://www.billsdaily.com/news/index.shtml#072906 Nall Injured: Quarterback Craig Nall was injured in Saturday's second practice session and was being attended to after injuring his left hamstring. The extent of his injury is not known at this time. If the injury is serious it could reduce the starting quarterback competition to two signal callers - J.P. Losman and Kelly Holcomb. 731388[/snapback] Not that I wish injury on any player, let alone our own, I for one do not want to see him as our starter. He's shown even less to date than Losman. Yet, If he did, I'd back him until orif he shows otherwise. Holcomb, is the known commodity, and he's simply not going to take anyone anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 i dont really think nall is "really " in contention for the job anyways................when camp is over j.p will be starting the 1st game of the season in foxboro. I'm not sure why so many people feel this way. Levy wasn't GM when Losman was picked, nor Jauron head coach, nor Fairchild the offensive coordinator. If the plan was to give Losman the starting spot all along, why bring in Nall? Why give Nall so much practice time, when that time could have been given to JP? You could say that they needed a charade of a competition anyway, so that Losman could earn his teammates' respect. But with Holcomb on the roster, it could have been a two man charade; with Losman getting more playing time than he's getting now. The bottom line is that Nall's done well in the preseason, NFL Europe, and in what little regular season playing time he's been given. He's the only one of the three QBs selected by the new regime. He's highly respected by many Green Bay fans. Other Favre backups have gone on to have successful starting careers elsewhere. Why not Nall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 Well he's now out indefinitely and out of the Qb race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Other Favre backups have gone on to have successful starting careers elsewhere. Why not Nall? 731529[/snapback] I would love to have Nall succeed as much as any other buffalo bills fan, even if he can come close to what a Brunell or Hasselbeck have done.....However, both Brunell and Hasselbeck were traded for high/middle draft picks especially when it was clear they had no chance to unseat Favre.... Considering that Favre was at the end of his career and Rogers was unproven you would think the Packers would have resigned this guy for a few more years hoping to see if he was the diamond in the rough as you paint it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Considering that Favre was at the end of his career and Rogers was unproven you would think the Packers would have resigned this guy for a few more years hoping to see if he was the diamond in the rough as you paint it.... 731798[/snapback] With Aaron Rogers on the team, I don't think Nall was that interested in doing an extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Hasselbeck wasn't traded for a high pick if I remember right...I think it was a 5th rounder? Don't quote me on that though. That sucks Nall will be out for awhile though. Injuries suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile High Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I say yes. Holcomb has no chance. But I would have felt much better if Nall was the starter. 731388[/snapback] Nall needs more cowbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 The last thing anyone needs is more cowbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 With Aaron Rogers on the team, I don't think Nall was that interested in doing an extension. 731810[/snapback] That seems silly....Here is a guy who is loved by the Green Bay fans and has been tutored under that West Coast offense for 4 years and has learnt it under the master Favre himself for 4 years and yet both Green Bay and Nall decide that all that was done in 4 years is nothing because a 1st rounder who has struggled to get anything done and has been a bench warmer will unseat him, a guy who has 4 years experience under the system....and the guy wants to move to a system that is completely different from the WC system that he has learnt and mastered in 4 years....Something is wrong with this picture... If the old regime of the Packers were sold on Craig Nall as the heir apparent, they would not have drafted Rogers in the 1st round of the NFL draft. They had so many other needs on their defense. If the new regime in Packer land was sold on Craig Nall, then they would have given him a promise to compete for the starting job with Rogers who BTW has done nothing until now... The only thing I heard from Nall is that he wanted to come to Buffalo because he had a chance at the starting job...which means the door was closed on him in Green Bay....The same rules applies as in buffalo....Green bay has a new coaching staff and they don't owe anything to the Rogers hire...They get to pick who is their best QB and go with it.... Even if Nall had to wait for another year behind Favre, if he was promised a shot at the starting position in a system where he has spent 4 years understanding the X & Os, I am sure he wouldn't have minded hanging in there for another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike formerly from Florida Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 It depends on the severity of the injury.There's a 'tweek', where you should take it easy for a couple of days. Being a QB although it might hamper him some, it wouldn't even prevent him from fully partaking in practice. At the other end of the spectrum is the 'having trouble limping for weeks', which would effectively remove him from starting QB contention. Not having seen the incident, I would assume that it's more likely toward the minor side, in which case, there's ample opportunity to continue to observe him equally w/ the the other candidates. 731421[/snapback] Depending on the severity, he can be out from two weeks to three months. Three months if it is a grade one injury with tears to the fibers. Look to Brian Bannister, rookie pitcher for the Mets as an example of the worst kind. Besides that, I think JP will make an improvement this year just based on his mental approach and learning process from last year's miserable experience. Something tells me he will step it up, and make more big plays than mistakes. The new regime will have more patience and help him get better. In Marv, we trust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 It depends on the severity of the injury.There's a 'tweek', where you should take it easy for a couple of days. Being a QB although it might hamper him some, it wouldn't even prevent him from fully partaking in practice. At the other end of the spectrum is the 'having trouble limping for weeks', which would effectively remove him from starting QB contention. Not having seen the incident, I would assume that it's more likely toward the minor side, in which case, there's ample opportunity to continue to observe him equally w/ the the other candidates. 731421[/snapback] It's more than a 'tweek'. If it's a week or more then he's out of the competition. Which really means there is no competition left. The 3-way isn't working, for my money. The QBs jump in for three plays, two plays, one play and then wait. No continuity. I don't think that procedure was going to weed anyone out of the mix. Alternating between 2, the staff might be able to get a read. Let each alternate a series. The other method was hurting all three, IMO Now, off to camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Far I Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I'm new to the board, but have been a Bills fan for 30 years... I've seen QBs great (Kelly), good (Ferguson), average (Flutie), below average (Reich) and hopeless (Johnson). Right now, I'd slot Losman in between "below average" and "hopeless". Holcomb isn't much better either, making this the worst QB controversy since Holcomb vs. Couch in Cleveland a couple of years ago. I would LOVE to be proven wrong about JP, but he could go down as final proof that the Pittsburgh Steelers of the late 1990's were all about Cowher and not about Donahoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I'm new to the board, but have been a Bills fan for 30 years... I've seen QBs great (Kelly), good (Ferguson), average (Flutie), below average (Reich) and hopeless (Johnson). Right now, I'd slot Losman in between "below average" and "hopeless". Holcomb isn't much better either, making this the worst QB controversy since Holcomb vs. Couch in Cleveland a couple of years ago. I would LOVE to be proven wrong about JP, but he could go down as final proof that the Pittsburgh Steelers of the late 1990's were all about Cowher and not about Donahoe. 731970[/snapback] Welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Yes, but I don't think any kind of announcement gets made until after the 2nd preseason game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I know Nall hasn't looked very good in camp so far and the injury sets him back, but there's something about the guy. I really think he's a "gamer" type of QB who will get it done if he gets the chance. We had one of the best practice QB's in the history of the NFL (Johnson) and look how he did on Sundays. I don't have anything tangible to make my argument with, it's just an impression I get from the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 It is Losman's season. He will perform, and if so, we will do pretty well. If he doesn't, we will have an extremely high draft pick at the end of the season. I don't see Nall fitting into the picture at all if he is out for more than a week or two. He pretty much had to come in and wow the Bills if he was going to get more than a cursory look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 That seems silly....Here is a guy who is loved by the Green Bay fans and hasbeen tutored under that West Coast offense for 4 years and has learnt it under the master Favre himself for 4 years and yet both Green Bay and Nall decide that all that was done in 4 years is nothing because a 1st rounder who has struggled to get anything done and has been a bench warmer will unseat him, a guy who has 4 years experience under the system....and the guy wants to move to a system that is completely different from the WC system that he has learnt and mastered in 4 years Now that's one long sentence! You make good points in your post. I agree Green Bay's old regime wasn't sold on Nall. Then again, Mike Sherman was relieved of his GM duties for a reason. Just because Sherman wasn't interested in a guy, doesn't necessarily mean that guy isn't any good. As for Green Bay's new regime, it's tougher to say. Maybe they really liked what they saw of Aaron Rogers in practice. Maybe Nall felt Rogers would get the benefit of the doubt due to his first round status. Suppose the following happened: Favre played for two more years, after which Rogers was put in due to his first roud pick status. He uses another two years convincing the staff he's not the answer; after which Nall is given a legitimate shot. In Buffalo, this process is further along. The established aging veteran is long gone, and the first round draft pick is already eight starts into the process of convincing the staff he's not the answer. Also, it's quite possible Nall felt Losman would be weaker competition than Rogers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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