Dante Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Every time you here of a mauling or terrible incedent like this there is always a Pit Bull or Rotwieller involved. These two breeds really should be outlawed. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ia/15058759.htm
RayFinkle Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Folks who own them will defend it but personally I think they are dogs for guys who are insecure about the size of their genitals.
IDBillzFan Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Every time you here of a mauling or terrible incedent like this there is always a Pit Bull or Rotwieller involved. These two breeds really should be outlawed. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ia/15058759.htm 725206[/snapback] Actually, the way the story reads, the breeds shouldn't be outlawed, but the mother should be outlawed from breeding. The 12-year-old refused to leave the house where one dog is in heat and another is trying to nail it, so she puts him in the garage and begs him not to leave? Yeah. This one's definitely on the dog.
KRC Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Everytime you hear of a murder, there is always a human involved. Humans should really be outlawed. linky thingy
The Poojer Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 you read that article and blame th dog?????????? a friggin hampster would have mauled a kid in those deplorable conditions Every time you here of a mauling or terrible incedent like this there is always a Pit Bull or Rotwieller involved. These two breeds really should be outlawed. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ia/15058759.htm 725206[/snapback]
Dante Posted July 19, 2006 Author Posted July 19, 2006 you read that article and blame th dog?????????? a friggin hampster would have mauled a kid in those deplorable conditions 725215[/snapback] No, no other dog breed seems to do these things under any conditions. You shouldnt have to worry about your pet killing people, under any circumstances. Mother is definitely a tool but doesnt change the fact that Pit Bulls are phucked up and should not be allowed.
The Poojer Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 sure the two breeds are definitely temprimental breeds, but it has more to do with the idiots that "train" them. I know a guy that has a rot that could probably swallow me whole, but is the gentlest dog i have EVER seen...Its all about....whats that long lost word.....responsibility?????...... No, no other dog breed seems to do these things under any conditions. You shouldnt have to worry about your pet killing people, under any circumstances. Mother is definitely a tool but doesnt change the fact that Pit Bulls are phucked up and should not be allowed. 725218[/snapback]
KRC Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 No, no other dog breed seems to do these things under any conditions. You shouldnt have to worry about your pet killing people, under any circumstances. Mother is definitely a tool but doesnt change the fact that Pit Bulls are phucked up and should not be allowed. 725218[/snapback] German Shepherds do it. Dobermans do it. Let's ban them too. How about other breeds? They also do it. Hmmm...what is the common denominator among all of this....hmmm...who trains the dogs...hmmm...HUMANS!!! That's it!!! Ban all humans and dog attacks on humans will stop.
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 German Shepherds do it. Dobermans do it. Let's ban them too. How about other breeds? They also do it. Hmmm...what is the common denominator among all of this....hmmm...who trains the dogs...hmmm...HUMANS!!! That's it!!! Ban all humans and dog attacks on humans will stop. 725226[/snapback] Cocker Spaniels led the nation in dog bites a few years ago! A dog is your property, if it hurts somebody without good reason, you should be held responsible. I personally spend no time worrying about my dogs (golden ret and german shorthair) attacking somebody unprovoked due to good breeding and training. I don't even know if they would attack somebody if they broke into my house. That's what the 45 is for anyway!
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Every time you here of a mauling or terrible incedent like this there is always a Pit Bull or Rotwieller involved. These two breeds really should be outlawed. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ia/15058759.htm 725206[/snapback] Every dog mauling I know of - and I have personal experience with a few bad ones - involves an irresponsible owner. Not having the first clue on how to mate an aggressive breed safely is a pretty good example.
Dan Gross Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 It seems many of these incidents involve children. Maybe if they outlawed children it wouldn't happen...
bartshan-83 Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 The responsibility ultimately lies with the owner. Pets can be molded and shaped into a variety of personality types (just like children). Whenever one of these dog mauling stories comes out, you never find out that the dog's owner was a responsible, reputable human being. Most people don't know how to raise and control other forms of life in their care (pets and humans). However, I do believe that breeds like pit bulls and dobermans, etc. have a much higher "disaster potential" due strictly to their physical prowess. A rotweiler in the hands of a bad owner is a much more serious threat to society than a cocker spaniel. I think the process of buying one these more potentially dangerous breeds should be different. It's not very easy to enforce obviously, but in a perfect world I think buying a pit bull would require serious background checks and personal interviews, etc. Most people can't be trusted with the responsibility. It's not the dog's fault, but there should be steps taken to prevent potentially very dangerous animals coming under the control of very irresponsible people.
Alaska Darin Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 It'd be easier to eliminate idiots from the gene pool - which leads back to the always true "The only reason most people are alive is because it's illegal to kill them."
KRC Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 It seems many of these incidents involve children. Maybe if they outlawed children it wouldn't happen... 725243[/snapback] They attack adults, as well. We need to just ban the entire human race. It is the only way to solve the problem of dog attacks on humans.
Dante Posted July 19, 2006 Author Posted July 19, 2006 German Shepherds do it. Dobermans do it. Let's ban them too. How about other breeds? They also do it. Hmmm...what is the common denominator among all of this....hmmm...who trains the dogs...hmmm...HUMANS!!! That's it!!! Ban all humans and dog attacks on humans will stop. 725226[/snapback] Not giving owners a pass. Here is a pretty good site breaking down that statistics of fatal dog attacks. Here is a bit from its "The CDC study (using 238 breed identifications) concludes that Pit Bulls and Rottweilers are responsible for over 50% of all human fatalties due to dog bite during the years 1979-1998." Not as one sided as I thought it would be but stil kinda points out what Im trying to say.
Gary M Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Every time you here of a mauling or terrible incedent like this there is always a Pit Bull or Rotwieller involved. These two breeds really should be outlawed. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...ia/15058759.htm 725206[/snapback] "The dogs loved the kids and the kids loved the dogs," Stiglich said. "There is nothing about what occurred that morning ... that would have given anyone any inkling of the horror that would occur later." Really?? "She told him to prop a shovel against the door and not to go upstairs, where Ella was in heat and the male dog, Rex, had grown increasingly agitated in his spurned attempts to mate."
Alaska Darin Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Not giving owners a pass. Here is a pretty good site breaking down that statistics of fatal dog attacks. Here is a bit from its "The CDC study (using 238 breed identifications) concludes that Pit Bulls and Rottweilers are responsible for over 50% of all human fatalties due to dog bite during the years 1979-1998." Not as one sided as I thought it would be but stil kinda points out what Im trying to say. 725250[/snapback] No it doesn't. They also happen to be the most popular dogs among gangmembers and other people who tend to gravitate toward illegal activities. Much like the hulabaloo around guns, it's overblown BS meant to get the uninformed or unintelligent up in arms about something that isn't really a problem. What do I mean? There were 304 dog bite fatalities in the period you site. There were nearly 2000 deaths due to lightning strikes during the same period. That's right, you're over 6 times more likely to die at the hands of lightning than be killed by a dog and that goes up by double for a Rottweiler or Pitbull. That says nothing of the over 30,000 automobile deaths a YEAR in this country. There was a story today about a greyhound that opened up their owner's kid for 120+ stitches. Time to start whacking them as a whole, I guess.
Not a Hamster Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 you read that article and blame th dog?????????? a friggin hampster would have mauled a kid in those deplorable conditions 725215[/snapback] First of allz, it's "Hamster", not that I carem. Also, Havem you seenq their teetha? If a Hamster mauledn you, you wouldn'tp even notice. Do NOT messm with a gerbilq. We can handle ourselvesp better than you'dp think. I oncem dropped a pit bullq where he stoodp. He lookedp about as masculineq as a Honda Fit whenq I was donep.
callemasiseesem Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Not giving owners a pass. Here is a pretty good site breaking down that statistics of fatal dog attacks. Here is a bit from its "The CDC study (using 238 breed identifications) concludes that Pit Bulls and Rottweilers are responsible for over 50% of all human fatalties due to dog bite during the years 1979-1998." Not as one sided as I thought it would be but stil kinda points out what Im trying to say. 725250[/snapback] Perhaps you need to read more of that link you posted that supposedly supports your position. Try reading the section "Politics and Pit Bulls". Here's part of that: "It is extremely rare for any breed of dog to attack and kill an owner or an immediate family member. Pit bulls fatal attacks are not substantially different in pattern, victim profile or in contributory risk factors than other breed attacks. In otherwords, the same type of scenario is seen in fatal Pit bull attacks as with other breeds of dogs, namely: intact/breeding dogs, chained dogs, unsupervised children, unfamiliar child, dogs obtained for protection, mulitple dog situation, etc. (see: NCRF Page "Fatal Attack Studies"). These factors are of vital importance, because although 3 children were killed by Pit bulls in 1999, an additional 19 children were killed that same year by other (non-Pit Bull) breeds of dogs. So while Pit Bulls and aggression grab the headlines, these other 19 young victims go virtually unnoticed in a climate of breed hsyteria - and any lessons we may have learned about the cause of their tragedies are overshadowed by the Great Pit Bull Debate." You hear about Pit Bull attacks because it makes for sensational news and feeds people's fear and ignorance. The following is taken from dogbreedinfo.com: That sly smile, those determined eyes, that unwaning pleasure to please... the mere quality and characteristics of the APBT have evoked more human emotional, rational, and irrational response than any other breed that exists today. By no means are these dogs people-haters or people-eaters. Their natural aggressive tendencies are toward other dogs and animals, not people. However if they are properly socialized they will not even be aggressive with them. These are truly quality companions for quality owners only! The American Pit Bull Terrier is a good-natured, amusing, extremely loyal and affectionate family pet, which is good with children and adults. Almost always obedient, it is always eager to please its master. It is an extremely courageous and intelligent guard dog that is very full of vitality. Highly protective of his owners and the owner's property, it will fight an enemy to the death. It is usually very friendly, but has an uncanny ability to know when it needs to protect and when everything is okay. The American Pit Bull Terrier can be willful and needs a firm hand. They are generally okay with other pets if they are raised with them from puppy hood. For the most part they are very friendly, but not recommended for most people. Excellent with children in the family, they have a high pain tolerance and will happily put up with rough child play. As with any breed, they should not be left alone with unfamiliar children. Originally used as fighting dogs, the powerful American Pit Bull may go for the throat of strange dogs. A minimum of training will produce a tranquil, obedient dog. Socialize very thoroughly when young to combat aggressive tendencies and be sure to keep the dog under control when other dogs are present. It has given outstanding results as a guardian of property, but is at the same time esteemed as a companion dog. When properly trained and socialized, this is a very good dog and a great family companion. Unfortunately, some choose to promote the fighting instinct in the breed, giving it a bad name.
KRC Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Not as one sided as I thought it would be but stil kinda points out what Im trying to say. 725250[/snapback] What is it with people and not actually reading the articles they use to "back up" their claims. Here are snippets from your article: in BIG BOLD LETTERS in the FIRST PARAGRAPH: It is important to emphasize that the breed of dog is never the sole determing factor in a fatal dog attack. A fatal attack is always the culmination of past and present events that include: inherited and learned behaviors, genetics, breeding, socialization, function of the dog, physical condition and size of the dog, individual temperament, environmental stresses, owner responsibility, victim behavior, victim size and physical condition, timing and misfortune. But let's just ignore that and ban the breeds. The addition of 43 breed identifications (for a total of 281 breed identifications) significantly changes the percentage of Pit Bull and Rottweiler fatal attack involvement from the CDC reported "over 50%" to a revised calculation of 38% involvement of Pit Bulls and Rottweilers in fatal attacks from 1979-1998. Looks like your 50% number is not correct. I won't even get into the issue that the point of view of the article is advocating the exact opposite of what you want and specifically rips your POV. The irony of that alone is hilarious.
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