Ramius Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 We got ranked 22nd in run defense. In case you were wondering they used the same formula as their other rankings, which is as followed... Start Where did they rank last season? __ if they signed someone we have heard of, increase ranking. If they did not sign a big name top dollar free agent, decrease ranking. If the team is owned by someone named Bob Kraft, team goes in the top 10. End Note: there is no actual team analysis in ESPN's rankings, just a look-see to see if you have a player that espn likes. it is recommended you take them with a grain of salt and do nto operate heavy machiney while attempting to listen to espn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Just because you don't like the rating doesn't mean that they are wrong. I think the LBs are bringing that rating up from the bottom of the barrel... if we had a healthy TKO & at least one real 1-tech DT, it'd be much higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted June 30, 2006 Author Share Posted June 30, 2006 Just because you don't like the rating doesn't mean that they are wrong. I think the LBs are bringing that rating up from the bottom of the barrel... if we had a healthy TKO & at least one real 1-tech DT, it'd be much higher. 716915[/snapback] Its nto the rating i have a problem with, its the method and their analysis/lack thereof. A prime example: when rating baltimores pass D #4, they said nothing about the 2 pro bowl corners chris mcallister and samari rolle. All espn talked about was ray lewis and ed reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Just because you don't like the rating doesn't mean that they are wrong. I think the LBs are bringing that rating up from the bottom of the barrel... if we had a healthy TKO & at least one real 1-tech DT, it'd be much higher. 716915[/snapback] It is sort of fun how the ratings have turned out. I would have had us slightly higher in some of their recent ratings (I think gave to little credit to improvements at the WR position as they do not seem to recognize that Evans had surpassed Moulds in his contributions to the O and that Evans staying and developing and that losing Moulds as a physical presence campared to what we would have lost as he got older is not s steep drop (in fact if Moulds has lost team support as exhibited by the hom-hum reaction to his suspension this may be addition by subtraction in terms of what his contribution this year would have been). However, I would have had us slightly lower in run defense as I think we have more talent playing the cover part of the Cover 2 than DL talent to run stop. I understand that other teams which run the Tampa 2 actually rely on under traditional weight DTs like we have. However, McCargo will need to be a hit rather than a reach and he will need to hit the ground fast as I have little confidence in the other 2 DTs besies Triplett. Us run stopping well in the Tampa 2 also means that it becomes even more important that TKO fully recover his health. It also is going to require a lot Fletcher who will need to register tackles at the same level he has in the past 5 years and also be a good cover guy if he gets Tampa 2 responsiblities for pass coverage. I think that some TSW folks are incorrect when they have concluded that Fletcher does not cover well because he is shorter than the norm. He makes up for the lack of height with a constant motor that has allowed him to go sideline to sideline. In addition, his great football mind has made him the D captain even with s better player like TKO around. Even if he loses a step as he ages, he can make a step in having good football smarts. However, I still have some doubts about our ability to stop the run as we are going to be pretty dependent on young players. Anderson will need to improve his game beyoud what he produced at DT his first two years, McCargo will need to demonstrate he is a first year starter we have come to expect from 1st round choices and I expect little contribution this year from second day choice Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 but, but we have fast, undersized, penetrating lineman who will attack the ball!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 McCargo will need to demonstrate he is a first year starter we have come to expect from 1st round choices and I expect little contribution this year from second day choice Williams. 716945[/snapback] Barring injury, I think it would be great if McCargo did indeed beat Tripplett out & ended up as the starter, because:1. McCargo would be a beast of a player to pull that off. 2. Tripplett would play hungry looking for more snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Just because you don't like the rating doesn't mean that they are wrong. I think the LBs are bringing that rating up from the bottom of the barrel... if we had a healthy TKO & at least one real 1-tech DT, it'd be much higher. 716915[/snapback] Add up all their ratings, colligate, and spit out an overall rating of about 86th in a 32 team league. They simply look at the last season and project downward. That's what all pessimists do..always take take worst case scenario and take it for gospel. Thankfully, that's not the way the real world operates. Negative projections do not continance positive changes, and when there are active agents of change they don't want to hear about them. ESPN and others have gone overboard in piling on the TD-less Bills, effectively stacking the deck. If their hero were still in place, their predictions would be a lot less negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 AAAAAAHAHAHAHA......22nd.......nearly into the middle third ranks. I knew all you 'DOOM & GLOOM' merchants were wrong. You all said we were the worst in the league. NEARLY MIDDLE THIRD!!!!!!! Oh happy days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 And you guys were bashing me about creating these threads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 And you guys were bashing me about creating these threads! 717097[/snapback] Pay them no mind... some people are easily annoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Barring injury, I think it would be great if McCargo did indeed beat Tripplett out & ended up as the starter, because:1. McCargo would be a beast of a player to pull that off. 2. Tripplett would play hungry looking for more snaps. 716951[/snapback] One of my bug hopes for the DL is that Jsuron is lieing to both me and more important to the enemy teame in letting us follow the conventional wisdom that McCargo and Triplett are both slotted to play the same position on this team because we have adopted the definition that they are 1 technique DTs (we fans love nothing better than finding a good buzz phrase to use so we can pretend we know more than we do). I hope they have out both Triplett and McCargo on the deopth chart at LDT in the hopes that opponents will also accept this notion. Then I really hope that Jauron/Farrell are lieing to us all and that they fool our opponents into not being prepared for something new that defensive genius Jauron is going to unleash on the opponents. I will be somewhat disappointed if we had the control we had over which FAs we pursued and used it to acquire as our big FA sigining and a 1st round pick we traded up for two players who canot both contribute to the team at the same time because in order for one to play the other must sit down. If this is fact what we did, perhaps we had to because they were the best players available we could get. However, I will consider unfortunate if this is the case as it virtually guarantees that we put out a lot of resources for a player who will only be a part time contributor to the Bills this year at least and probably for a while as both McCargo and Triplett are destined to be Bills for a long time given their contracts we signed them to. It will really be a waste of resources if we cannot put our best players on the field at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 I will be somewhat disappointed if we had the control we had over which FAs we pursued and used it to acquire as our big FA sigining and a 1st round pick we traded up for two players who canot both contribute to the team at the same time because in order for one to play the other must sit down. If this is fact what we did, perhaps we had to because they were the best players available we could get. However, I will consider unfortunate if this is the case as it virtually guarantees that we put out a lot of resources for a player who will only be a part time contributor to the Bills this year at least and probably for a while as both McCargo and Triplett are destined to be Bills for a long time given their contracts we signed them to. It will really be a waste of resources if we cannot put our best players on the field at the same time. 717130[/snapback] Agreed... that's why Bunkley at #8 and keeping the extra Day 1 pick made a lot more sense. But maybe we'll get lucky & your fantasy scenario will play out after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Agreed... that's why Bunkley at #8 and keeping the extra Day 1 pick made a lot more sense. But maybe we'll get lucky & your fantasy scenario will play out after all. 717148[/snapback] That would have been nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Add up all their ratings, colligate, and spit out an overall rating of about 86th in a 32 team league. They simply look at the last season and project downward. That's what all pessimists do..always take take worst case scenario and take it for gospel. Thankfully, that's not the way the real world operates. Negative projections do not continance positive changes, and when there are active agents of change they don't want to hear about them. ESPN and others have gone overboard in piling on the TD-less Bills, effectively stacking the deck. If their hero were still in place, their predictions would be a lot less negative. 717028[/snapback] Count me as a pessimist I guess. Im basing my pessimism on the real world. The world in which the Bills were one of the worst teams last season. The world in which they hired a 80 year old man as a gm who hasnt made any moves of significance. A highly debatable draft. Or one that is at least, questionable. A highly touted qb that hasnt shown any sign of living up to his alleged potential. I question the media more than anyone but im with them all on this one. Hope springs eternal at TBD and I can appreciate that. Hell were all fans. I really do think that anyone that thinks this team is going to be even average is living in a myopic haze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Count me as a pessimist I guess. Im basing my pessimism on the real world. The world in which the Bills were one of the worst teams last season. The world in which they hired a 80 year old man as a gm who hasnt made any moves of significance. A highly debatable draft. Or one that is at least, questionable. A highly touted qb that hasnt shown any sign of living up to his alleged potential. I question the media more than anyone but im with them all on this one. Hope springs eternal at TBD and I can appreciate that. Hell were all fans. I really do think that anyone that thinks this team is going to be even average is living in a myopic haze. 718704[/snapback] Thanks for a good summary of how I feel. As you said, hope springs eternal at TBD and well it should! What does however disturb me ever so little is the mentality that we must fall in line and praise every move Marv makes, no matter how ridiculous it may seem, or in fact be. In a small way, our outlook is healthier imo, because any Bills win will seem almost miraculous from my point of view. I also think that in 07, the Bills will pick early and have SO much cap space that they will almost have to dramatically improve. Either way, I am in this for the long haul, and so are you. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Thanks for a good summary of how I feel. As you said, hope springs eternal at TBD and well it should! What does however disturb me ever so little is the mentality that we must fall in line and praise every move Marv makes, no matter how ridiculous it may seem, or in fact be. In a small way, our outlook is healthier imo, because any Bills win will seem almost miraculous from my point of view. I also think that in 07, the Bills will pick early and have SO much cap space that they will almost have to dramatically improve. Either way, I am in this for the long haul, and so are you. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 718739[/snapback] The way your looking at it is the true upside and reality of this situation. Really like the draft and cap space end of it. Havent thought that far ahead honestly. I want nothing more than to be wrong and would love to have some of my posts quoted on this board as an example of how stupid I am. I have seen nothing thats happened this off season that would make me think thats a possibility though. I realy do hope Marv beats the odds and can compete with all the younger, proven and accomplished gms. Emphasis on the "hope" part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 I want nothing more than to be wrong and would love to have some of my posts quoted on this board as an example of how stupid I am. 718744[/snapback] It IS great when that happens on TBD. I thought that Travis Henry sucked so bad that the Bills would have to cut him. TD, (in one of the best moves I have ever seen by any GM) salvaged a 3rd for this perverted drug addict! I was more than happy (and still am) to take my medicine if you will. Truthfully, it is usually far worse to be correct wrt predictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDRupp Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 We got ranked 22nd in run defense. In case you were wondering they used the same formula as their other rankings, which is as followed... Start Where did they rank last season? __ if they signed someone we have heard of, increase ranking. If they did not sign a big name top dollar free agent, decrease ranking. If the team is owned by someone named Bob Kraft, team goes in the top 10. End Note: there is no actual team analysis in ESPN's rankings, just a look-see to see if you have a player that espn likes. it is recommended you take them with a grain of salt and do nto operate heavy machiney while attempting to listen to espn. 716862[/snapback] No way! We have a great chance to be something other than #22! I'd say a 96.875% chance which of course is 31 out of 32. But they are "right" at this point in the season... ;0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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