JPL7 Posted June 24, 2006 Posted June 24, 2006 QB: JP Nall Kingsbury RB: McGahee Thomas Williams FB: Shelton Goldsberry WR: Evans Price Reed Parrish Nance Aiken TE: Royal Everett Cieslak OT: Peters Gandy Gibson Butler OG: Villarrail Reyes Preston OC: Fowlers Geisinger DE: Schobel Kelsay Word Denney DT: Tripplett Anderson McCargo Williams OLB: Spikes Posey Crowell Stamer ILB: Fletcher Watson Haggan CB: Clements McGee Youboty King Greer SS: Whitner Bowen FS: Vincent Simpson K: Rian Lindell P: Brian Moorman LS: Mike Schneck Practice Squad: Fred Jackson (RB) Martin Nance (WR) Aaron Merz © Terrence Pennington (T) Keith Ellison (LB) Joshua Cooper (DE) Jason Jefferson (DT) Kiwaukee Thomas (CB) What say you??
Mark Long Beach Posted June 24, 2006 Posted June 24, 2006 not bad. minor quibble, you have Nance on active and practice squad. Qb's: naw, I think we'd still keep KH over Kingswho RB's: tough, but I like more of what I see of Gates over Williams. (but limited viewings) FB's: Not sure if Shelton has another year in him. It seemed like he didn't do so well last year... well like the rest of the team. We may only keep one FB IMO. WR: crowded field. Your picks are the same as mine. TEs: yep OL: good. hope gibsen can revitalize himself. DE: Word? Probably one of the Rookies... DT: I think they'd like to keep 5 and rotate them more, but someone has to step up... Jefferson? LBs: yup CB: yup Safetys: Baker may stick. Although, maybe not, He's more of a hitter than a cover guy... Our system needs cover safetys. ST's: yup Nice job. It sure is hard to guess those last few roster spots...
Mark Long Beach Posted June 24, 2006 Posted June 24, 2006 I'm not sold on Davis. He's been an underacheiver. fast yes... but productive? not really. I believe that one of Reed, Price or Davis won't make the team. Wouldn't shock me that Andre is out. Nance? Maybe. He has potential. Sometimes jobs are won on potential.
Deep2Moulds46 Posted June 25, 2006 Posted June 25, 2006 Nance over Andre Davis...Yeah, sure... 713620[/snapback] You say that as if Andre Davis is some Pro Bowl WR with a handful of 100 catch seasons on his resume. He's a career underachiever, who ran a good time at his college combine, that has quickly become an NFL journeyman. I could easily see the Bills cutting him. If he were such a talent, he wouldn't have been forced to sign 1 year contracts, 2 years in a row.
valle7878 Posted June 26, 2006 Posted June 26, 2006 no way does Vincent make the team this year he sucks and joe burns makes the team
Tortured Soul Posted June 26, 2006 Posted June 26, 2006 I thought you're only allowed 5 on your practice squad.
Pyrite Gal Posted June 26, 2006 Posted June 26, 2006 no way does Vincent make the team this year he sucks and joe burns makes the team 713984[/snapback] Perhaps, but I really doubt they cut: 1. The team leader (on a bad D yes but the best producer on a bad team) in turnovers received last year as he tied for the team lead in INTs with McGee and tied with a couple of other players in fumbles recovered. 2. The switch in scheme goes away from demanding our safties play as run stoppers as the blitz might come from anywhere in out zone blitz to safeties playing more of a centerfield pass coverage in the Cover 2. Milloy was clearly a better tackler but the safety duty will move toward TV's pass coverage strength he developed as a Pro Bowl CB. 3. The acquisition of a bunch of talented rookie DBs means he is a likely goner next season, but now plays to his strength as all of these talented rookies will benefit from the on field coaching and example of TV. Further, his election as NFLPA Prez shows he has garnered the respect of his peers as a stand-up guy. While some folks hate unions for ideological reasons, the fact he us NFLPA Prez actually makes him an unlikely target for retribution even if Ralph is ticked about the new CBA, if the re is any hint to players that TV is gone becacuse of his union activity, the likely implication for the Bills attracting future FAs may not be good. Trashing TV might make some feel good ideologically but it may well be bad football. 4. The fact Milloy was cut rather than TV was probably made for the good football reason that our new scheme fits TV better than Milloy, but contractually it also was testimony to the fact that there is only a few hundred K saved by cutting TV rather than the multi-millions gained by cutting Milloy, There is little contractual reason to cut TV. The only way I see TV getting cut would be if he suddenly hit the wall as older players sometimes do and his production drops off drastically. However, given his team leading numbers for turnovers recieved last year, this drop-off would have to be really sudden as he was more productive in some regards than his peers on the team. Whitmer will be an immediate starter and getting the on field coaching from TV will be good. Youbouty is a first round physical talent who dropped to the 3rd round as many felt he could use another year of college to learn the game. He will get that year sitting and practicing with the Bills. Simpson looks like a talented player though he was taken on the second day. He likely could force his way into the line-up by mid-season but this still speaks to TV's value as a starter as the season begins. TV clearly has lost a step (or two) since his early days as a CB star. However, the speed to guard the fastest WRs means one can lose steps from this great base and still adequately play safety. Even with the Cover 2 demanding that the safety cover some field, it looks like that with Farrell we will employ a version known as the Tampa 2 where TV will be asked to cover 1/3 of the field rather than 1/2. A cut of TV can happen but looks pretty unlikely for a number of football based reasons.
Rico Posted June 26, 2006 Posted June 26, 2006 My 53-man roster, V. 2.0 QB: JP Holcomb Nall RB Willis Gates Williams Burns (RB/FB) OL: Gandy Reyes Fowler Preston Peters Jerman Geisinger McFarland Butler WR: Evans Price Parrish Reed Aiken Davis TE Everett Royal Cieslak Neufeld DE Kelsay Schobel Denney Posey DT Tripplett Tiny Tim McCargo Williams LB Stamer Fletcher Crowell TKO Watson Haggan Ellison CB McGee Nate Youboty King Greer S Whitner Baker Bowen Simpson K Lindell P Moorman LS Schneck
Pyrite Gal Posted June 26, 2006 Posted June 26, 2006 Rico- Whats your thoughts regarding the Villarial situation?
Rico Posted June 26, 2006 Posted June 26, 2006 Rico- Whats your thoughts regarding the Villarial situation? 714004[/snapback] Don't know, just a hunch. According to Chris Brown's blog, Preston got a lot of 1st-string snaps in the OTA's... if Preston looks good in pre-season, I think the V-Man is gone. If all things are equal, better to go young, especially if you want to establish some long-range continuity on the OL. I don't think Villarial is very versatile either, so I don't see them keeping him for depth at 1 position only, 2 tops.
Pyrite Gal Posted June 26, 2006 Posted June 26, 2006 Don't know, just a hunch. According to Chris Brown's blog, Preston got a lot of 1st-string snaps in the OTA's... if Preston looks good in pre-season, I think the V-Man is gone. If all things are equal, better to go young, especially if you want to establish some long-range continuity on the OL. I don't think Villarial is very versatile either, so I don't see them keeping him for depth at 1 position only, 2 tops. 714008[/snapback] Generally, I agree that I like Preston at RG more than Villarial in the long run, but right now is the short run (particularly for the Bills as I think the Golden Boys Ralph and Marv will put a premium on winning now while they are still on this planet- they will not ignore the long run completely, but particularly while there is a premium for the team in a football sense for winning now the short run will be the primary emphasis) that makes the big difference. My guess is that Villarial will not last the whole season in some significant way. What used to be nicks for him he played through are now injuries which knock him out a couple of starts or limit his effectiveness when he is in. However, I suspect that part of the reason he skipped some OTAs completely is that they/he knew he only has a certain amount of football left in him and they decuded to burn this football focus and snaps in pre-season/regular season rather than at voluntary practices. I think he likely starts until he cannot play anymore and then Preston takes over for him. My sense is that Preston is also our plan B if Fowler does not work (I think he will based on his play but there must be a plan B for everybody. Preston on the depth chart at LG is interesting as perhaps he is the plan B for Reyes as well.
Rico Posted June 26, 2006 Posted June 26, 2006 Generally, I agree that I like Preston at RG more than Villarial in the long run, but right now is the short run (particularly for the Bills as I think the Golden Boys Ralph and Marv will put a premium on winning now while they are still on this planet- they will not ignore the long run completely, but particularly while there is a premium for the team in a football sense for winning now the short run will be the primary emphasis) that makes the big difference. 714067[/snapback] After looking at this off-season, I see absolutely no premium on winning now.. every move has been building towards the future. No "impact" free agents signed, no seniors drafted on Day 1, traded away Moulds. If Marv would've put a premium on winning this year, Moulds would be back and more stop-gap, veteran FA's would've been signed. This team is on course to being a 2-14 team, optimistically 3-13... not poised in any way to make a playoff run this year. As such, the players who are going to make this team are going to be the one's who perform the best... talent (especially talent with upside) will win out over experience. That's why players like Villarial (and especially Vincent) are at risk of not making this team if they can't perform now, since they will not be part of the future. Go ahead and start an Eddie Robinson-type for the experience he brings to a bad, young team, you'll see the results. BTW, I don't disagree with the direction Marv is going in... TD should've done the same thing after the 2003 season.
1959BillsFan Posted June 26, 2006 Posted June 26, 2006 # NAME POS Ht Wt Age Exp College CB:5 43 Bassey, Eric CB 6-1 200 23 R Oklahoma 22 Clements, Nate CB 6-0 209 26 6 Ohio State 29 King, Eric CB 5-10 185 24 2 Wake Forest 39 Lee, Rob CB 6-0 193 25 1 Northern Illinois 24 McGee, Terrence CB 5-9 195 25 4 Northwestern State 33 Greer, Jabari CB 5-11 169 24 3 Tennessee 47 Ward, LaShaun CB 6-0 200 25 2 California 38 Youboty, Ashton CB 5-11 189 21 R Ohio State 37 Thomas, Kiwaukee DB 5-11 192 29 7 Georgia Southern 30 Bethea, James DB 6-0 180 23 2 California DE:4 73 Cooper, Joshua DE 6-3 261 25 2 Mississippi 92 Denney, Ryan DE 6-7 275 29 5 BYU 90 Kelsay, Chris DE 6-4 275 26 4 Nebraska 91 Powell, Eric DE 6-3 268 26 1 Florida State 94 Schobel, Aaron DE 6-4 262 28 6 TCU 63 Word, Mark DE 6-5 295 30 5 Jacksonville State 72 Neill, Ryan DL 6-3 265 23 R Rutgers 76 Hall, Jason DL 6-3 260 22 R TEnnessee DT:5 97 McCargo, John DL 6-2 295 22 R N.C. State 99 Jefferson, Jason DT 6-1 310 24 2 Wisconsin 77 Anderson, Tim DT 6-3 304 25 3 Ohio State 68 Brown, LaWaylon DT 6-5 305 26 1 Oklahoma State 93 Sape, Lauvale DT 6-1 296 25 3 Utah 98 Tripplett, Larry DT 6-2 295 27 5 Washington 65 Tupa'i, Faafetai DT 6-3 330 25 1 Washington State 95 Williams, Kyle DT 6-1 295 23 R LSU FB:1 31 Shelton, Daimon FB 6-0 262 33 9 Sacramento State 44 Goldsberry, Jon FB 6-1 246 24 2 Purdue 46 Ming, Derrick FB 5-11 245 23 R Missouri 35 Burns, Joe FB/RB 5-9 215 26 5 Georgia Tech 9 Lindell, Rian K 6-3 235 29 7 Washington State 3 Setta, Nicholas K/P 6-0 194 25 1 Notre Dame LB: 6 60 Watson, Courtney LB 6-1 246 25 3 Notre Dame 51 Spikes, Takeo LB 6-2 242 29 9 Auburn 57 Stamer, Josh LB 6-2 238 28 4 South Dakota 54 DiGiorgio, John LB 6-2 225 22 R Saginaw Valley State 64 Ellison, Keith LB 6-0 228 22 R Oregon State 55 Crowell, Angelo LB 6-1 235 24 4 Virginia 53 Haggan, Mario LB 6-3 248 26 4 Mississippi State 52 Hunter, Wendell LB 6-0 228 24 2 California 50 Ezekiel, Liam LB 6-0 249 23 2 Northeastern 59 Fletcher-Baker, London LB 5-10 245 31 9 John Carroll 96 Posey, Jeff LB 6-4 241 30 9 Southern Mississippi 54 Schneck, Mike LS 6-0 246 28 8 Wisconsin OL:10 70 Reyes, Tutan OL 6-3 310 28 7 Mississippi 75 Preston, Duke OL 6-5 311 24 2 Illinois 61 Pennington, Terrance OL 6-7 319 22 R New Mexico 71 Peters, Jason OL 6-4 328 24 3 Arkansas 67 Fowler, Melvin OL 6-3 295 27 5 Maryland 69 Gandy, Mike OL 6-4 310 27 6 Notre Dame 73 Geisinger, Justin OL 6-3 322 24 2 Vanderbilt 74 Gibson, Aaron OL 6-7 371 28 7 Wisconsin 60 Butler, Brad OL 6-8 292 22 R Virginia 76 Jerman, Greg OL 6-5 310 27 5 Baylor 62 Merz, Aaron OL 6-4 340 22 R California 58 Villarrial, Chris OL 6-3 318 33 11 Indiana(Pa) 65 Thomas, Jason OL 6-4 325 29 1 Hampton 72 Morgan, Matt OT 6-6 304 25 2 Pittsburgh 8 Moorman, Brian P 6-0 175 30 6 Pittsburg State -- Brazen, Joshua P 5-11 185 23 R Kent State QB:3 5 Kingsbury, Kliff QB 6-3 220 26 3 Texas Tech 7 Losman, JP QB 6-2 217 25 3 Tulane 10 Holcomb, Kelly QB 6-2 212 32 10 Middle Tennessee State 16 Nall, Craig QB 6-3 230 27 5 Northwestern (La.) St. RB:3 45 Jackson, Fred RB 6-1 210 25 1 Coe College 25 Gates, Lionel RB 6-0 233 24 2 Louisville 21 McGahee, Willis RB 6-0 228 24 3 Miami 28 Thomas, Anthony RB 6-2 225 28 6 Michigan 20 Williams, Shaud RB 5-7 193 25 3 Alabama Safety:4 27 Wire, Coy S 6-0 205 27 5 Stanford 36 Whitner, Donte S 5-11 205 20 R Ohio State 23 Vincent, Troy S 6-1 200 35 15 Wisconsin 40 Simpson, Ko S 6-1 201 22 R South Carolina 42 Leonhard, Jim S 5-8 190 23 2 Wisconsin 26 Baker, Rashad S 5-10 198 24 3 Tennessee 41 Bowen, Matt S 6-1 203 29 7 Iowa TE:3 86 Cieslak, Brad TE 6-3 262 23 2 Northern Illinois 85 Everett, Kevin TE 6-4 241 24 1 Miami 88 Neufeld, Ryan TE 6-4 250 30 6 UCLA 84 Royal, Robert TE 6-4 260 28 4 LSU WR:6 81 Price, Peerless WR 5-11 190 29 7 Tennessee 82 Reed, Josh WR 5-10 208 26 5 LSU 17 Nance, Martin WR 6-3 212 23 R Miami (OH) 11 Parrish, Roscoe WR 5-9 168 23 2 Miami 83 Evans, Lee WR 5-10 197 25 3 Wisconsin 89 Aiken, Sam WR 6-2 204 25 4 North Carolina 18 Davis, Andre WR 6-1 195 27 5 Virginia Tech 14 Denney, Chris WR 6-3 219 23 R Nebraska-Omaha 19 Smith, Jonathan WR 5-10 194 24 3 Georgia Tech 15 Wilson, George WR 6-0 210 25 2 Arkansas
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