ganesh Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 I am bored of the McGahee, Nance and JP topics...Let us start a new thread about the defense. How does our current DE players (Kelsay, SChoebel, and Denney) fit into the new scheme. Are they going to be marquee players in this scheme brought in by Fewell ? Do these guys have the right speed to penetrate the OL. How did they work out during the OTA Your thoughts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a player to be named later Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Kelsey and Denny showed a high motor and a nose for the ball.... j/k I'm hoping that this new system is being used because it plays to our strengths not because this guy thinks hes smarter than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 If we can get the up the middle rush going you will see these ends become very productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 If we can get the up the middle rush going you will see these ends become very productive. 708874[/snapback] Yes, plus it's a contract year for Kelsay, I'm hoping to see a big improvement in his play... again. Schobel's a gamer, he'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 15, 2006 Author Share Posted June 15, 2006 If we can get the up the middle rush going you will see these ends become very productive. 708874[/snapback] But how good are they going to be against the Run, considering we will have undersized DTs manning the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 But how good are they going to be against the Run, considering we will haveundersized DTs manning the middle. 708936[/snapback] That is likely to be a concern area, but you can't fix everything in one offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 But how good are they going to be against the Run, considering we will haveundersized DTs manning the middle. 708936[/snapback] All of the DT's we currently have on our roster have been good against the run......especially our draftees...... The thing is...its a new defensive system. We are going to be good against the run by using quickness to play on the other side of the LOS.....disrupting things.... Our linebackers will be cleaning it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fla Bills Fan Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 All of the DT's we currently have on our roster have been good against the run......especially our draftees...... The thing is...its a new defensive system. We are going to be good against the run by using quickness to play on the other side of the LOS.....disrupting things.... Our linebackers will be cleaning it up 709034[/snapback] I agree with you . In this system the linebackers ( a strength of the Bills) play a big part in shutting down the run, along with the safeties (the reason they drafted Whittner). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 15, 2006 Author Share Posted June 15, 2006 All of the DT's we currently have on our roster have been good against the run......especially our draftees...... The thing is...its a new defensive system. We are going to be good against the run by using quickness to play on the other side of the LOS.....disrupting things.... Our linebackers will be cleaning it up 709034[/snapback] I am not asking how good the DTs are going to be against the Run. My question was how good our DEs are going to be against the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 "We'll defend the run with numbers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 All of the DT's we currently have on our roster have been good against the run......especially our draftees...... The thing is...its a new defensive system. We are going to be good against the run by using quickness to play on the other side of the LOS.....disrupting things.... Our linebackers will be cleaning it up 709034[/snapback] Not that I really know what I'm talking about, but the Tampa 2 system that Jauron and Fewell want to run is a one gap system on the defensive line. At least what I understand about the system is that rather than taking on offensive linemen head on, the tackles line up on the gaps between the offensive linemen. Then they try to penetrate the gap befor the offensive linemen have a chance to react. That's why quickness is at much more of a premium than brute strength. In a two gap system the tackles are more likely to line up directly across from an interior offensive lineman, then it becomes a contest to fine out which player canout-wrestle the other one. Strength and size are more important. I just read an article that suggested Tim Anderson really came on in the last two games of the season last year. Maybe he's going to be OK along with Tripplett and the rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 16, 2006 Author Share Posted June 16, 2006 Then they try to penetrate the gap befor the offensive linemen have a chance to react. That's why quickness is at much more of a premium than brute strength. 709301[/snapback] Going back to the original question....Are Kelsay/Scheobel and Denney quick enough to get that penetration....Are they speed rushers....I don't think so... that is a big concern in this scheme....We might need a Kearse type of player at the DE position to succeed in this scheme.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Don't worry. It's not about actually being able to get there. It's about hustling and working hard to look like you are trying to get there. Summary: who needs speed and ability when you can have high motors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 like tuna on white bread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Going back to the original question....Are Kelsay/Scheobel and Denney quickenough to get that penetration....Are they speed rushers....I don't think so... that is a big concern in this scheme....We might need a Kearse type of player at the DE position to succeed in this scheme.... 709431[/snapback] I think Schobel will be fine. Kelsay and Denney are question marks at this point. I'd rather have someone who was dominant at the position, but we have who we have. Who knows, they might be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Going back to the original question....Are Kelsay/Scheobel and Denney quickenough to get that penetration....Are they speed rushers....I don't think so... that is a big concern in this scheme....We might need a Kearse type of player at the DE position to succeed in this scheme.... 709431[/snapback] The original question will only be answered by talking about all of the lineman. Schobel and Kelsay are the same two players they were last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 I am bored of the McGahee, Nance and JP topics...Let us start a new threadabout the defense. Fair enough. If Losman starts, the defense had better be able to keep the other team from scoring more than ten points. That's the only way the Bills will have a hope of winning! To get back to your original point, no defensive scheme can turn coal into diamonds. If we get more production out of Kelsay/Denny, it will mostly because the players themselves have improved, and not because of the defensive scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-gunner Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 I think Kelsay showed enough flashes that this could be a breakout year for him...All Pro..no.But i think he will be a more than serviceable player for us for a few years to come.Denney..ehhh.He hasnt shown me enough to think he is starter material..i could see him being pushed out the door very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 20, 2006 Author Share Posted June 20, 2006 I think Kelsay showed enough flashes that this could be a breakout year for him...All Pro..no.But i think he will be a more than serviceable player for us for a few years to come.Denney..ehhh.He hasnt shown me enough to think he is starter material..i could see him being pushed out the door very soon. 710797[/snapback] Actually Kelsay disappointed last year....He had a excellent late season in 2004, raising expectations.....and he came falling down in a hurry....In fact last year Denney probably outplayed him quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 To get back to your original point, no defensive scheme can turn coal into diamonds. If we get more production out of Kelsay/Denny, it will mostly because the players themselves have improved, and not because of the defensive scheme. 710785[/snapback] Maybe not to the extent of coal to diamonds, but a new scheme may poor to mediocre players into servicable to good players. For example, put Kelly Holcomb into an offensive scheme that involves alot of deep downfield passes (like a St. louis offence) and he would look horrible. Put him in an offence where the deepest pass is no longer then 10 yards and he may become a pro bowler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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