mtdoak Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 I'm off to Vegas again in about 6 weeks. I've been about every 6 months for the last three years and was there in February so I was about due. A friend of mine qualified for the main event of the WSOP on Full Tilt, so we're going to go out and support him. This time I'm staying at the Tropicana, wasn't my choice but I've never stayed at that end of the strip before so I'll give it a shot. I've heard it has a really nice pool so I'll look forward to checking that out. Has anybody stayed there before? If so any comments? I realize this it isn't the nicest place but that's fine, I'm not really that concerned about where I lay my head for a few hours. Also, anybody who has been out there recently, are there any new sights or attractions in the last six months? 707816[/snapback] I just made my first trip to Vegas over memorial day weekend. I stayed at the trop. Cheap? yes. But bad food, no amenities, long hike to any of the big poker casinos (read: the Mirage, Bellagio, and Wynn) and an even longer hike to the Rio. And the odor comment is bang on. Just a strange smell throughout the whole casino/hotel. Not the best choice if you are going to watching the WSOP. The 1st 5 days will be at the Rio, quite a hike if you don't have a rental car. The final day will be at Binions. My advice? Stay someplace nice in the center of the strip, espically if you have a group of guys to split the costs. The time you waste trying to get where your going will pay for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bprulz Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Caesar's pool is topless now so is the Cherry at the new Red Rock Station(off the strip).I think Mandalays has a topless pool day also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Like i said, if surrender is offered, i am jumping at it on that particular hand707945[/snapback] How very Asian of you. I would like to get paid for every time I've heard some Asian dude at the table yell "Surrender" because he didn't like his hand. "Sue-REN-Dah! Sue-REN-dah!" If you're going to surrender half your bet because you THINK you're going to lose, you really need to stop gambling. I hope, at least, you're at the $5 table. I don't mean that in a condescending manner, though that's probably how it reads. But "Surrender" and "Even Money" were created by Vegas for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 How very Asian of you. I would like to get paid for every time I've heard some Asian dude at the table yell "Surrender" because he didn't like his hand. "Sue-REN-Dah! Sue-REN-dah!" If you're going to surrender half your bet because you THINK you're going to lose, you really need to stop gambling. I hope, at least, you're at the $5 table. I don't mean that in a condescending manner, though that's probably how it reads. But "Surrender" and "Even Money" were created by Vegas for a reason. 707949[/snapback] Yes, but i think if you could run some kind of simulated model, surrending 88 vs 10 showing you would make money, or lose less i guess should be the proper term. That is really the only hand i surrender, and i think always splitting 8s is so ingrained in peoples head, they just think its the only move to make. Like i've said, ive played a ton on hands in 20 years, but no where near where the computer models say it increases your chances of a positive expectation to 52%. So if i only have a 50% chance of winning, why would i want to double my bet? I just think if im playing $25, my standard amount, i do not want to split these things agaisn't an ace or ten, rathet take my chances next hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Yes, but i think if you could run some kind of simulated model, surrending 88 vs 10 showing you would make money, or lose less i guess should be the proper term. That is really the only hand i surrender, and i think always splitting 8s is so ingrained in peoples head, they just think its the only move to make. Like i've said, ive played a ton on hands in 20 years, but no where near where the computer models say it increases your chances of a positive expectation to 52%. So if i only have a 50% chance of winning, why would i want to double my bet? I just think if im playing $25, my standard amount, i do not want to split these things agaisn't an ace or ten, rathet take my chances next hand. 707961[/snapback] Something my buddies & I used to do was pool our money together and just have 1 guy who knew what he was doing (usually me) play and split the winnings/losings. This way you don't go broke after one bad shoe and you can focus on making the correct mathematical decision of doubling/splitting rather than playing a chickenpoop risk-adverse style. Of course when I won $300 for 5 of us I could only think: "Damn I could've won $1500 on my own" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 This way you don't go broke after one bad shoe and you can focus on making the correct mathematical decision of doubling/splitting rather than playing a chickenpoop risk-adverse style. 707993[/snapback] Brother, ask any body who knows me, I am anything but risk averse. I'm just saying i am pretty sure over a weekend of playing, not a year of playing, surrending 88 agianst a ten provides a better w/l expectation. I know what the book says, i know what the model says, and yes sometimes if ya woulda split you woulda hit 21 on both hands. I get all that. But let me ask you this, would you double 5-3 agaisnt a ten? Is that not what you are doing splitting the 8s agaisnt the ten. Again, im stricly focusing on when you have 88 and the dealer has ten showing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 OK whatever, just throwing out suggestions. Your weekend/year comment doesn't make any sense. It is true that the greater the sample size, the more likely probability is to work itself out. This does not mean that the lesser of two expectations becomes greater than the other over a short sample. No, I would not double 5-3 against a 10. You're neglecting the previously mentioned #16 factor, which is the only alternative when you have 88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 But let me ask you this, would you double 5-3 agaisnt a ten? Is that not what you are doing splitting the 8s agaisnt the ten.708003[/snapback] No. Not even close. But in the end, you stick with what you think works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 It is true that the greater the sample size, the more likely probability is to work itself out. This does not mean that the lesser of two expectations becomes greater than the other over a short sample. 708030[/snapback] True, dat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 No. Not even close. But in the end, you stick with what you think works. 708034[/snapback] God damn LA, ya hit the winner. Its like i tell my wife, If yer not gunna hit on 16 agin a 10, never hit the 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 God damn LA, ya hit the winner. Its like i tell my wife, If yer not gunna hit on 16 agin a 10, never hit the 16. 708078[/snapback] As soon as I have my first push of the night, I pay attention to the hand after that. Did I win or lose? I'll do that for three pushes, and whichever I do more, I follow that trend. If, after a push, I win 2 out of 3, then after every push from that point forward, I double the bet I had for the push. If I lose 2 out of 3, I pull back. And I stick to that for the entire night. No rhyme. No reason. No sense whatsoever. But it works 90% of the time. If it works for you, keep doing it. Which is why, in the end, you can do whatever the !@#$ you want with your two 8s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 As soon as I have my first push of the night, I pay attention to the hand after that. Did I win or lose? I'll do that for three pushes, and whichever I do more, I follow that trend. If, after a push, I win 2 out of 3, then after every push from that point forward, I double the bet I had for the push. If I lose 2 out of 3, I pull back. And I stick to that for the entire night. No rhyme. No reason. No sense whatsoever. But it works 90% of the time. If it works for you, keep doing it. Which is why, in the end, you can do whatever the !@#$ you want with your two 8s. 708089[/snapback] LOL, bro are you right!!!!!!!Was gunna edit my above post to say if ya don't hit 16, don't hit 16. And another point, one of my most profitable nights playing was next to a lady who played crazy. Shed have 8-6 agin a 4 and hit, get a 4, i'd have 11 and just knew my ten was coming. Lordy, that lady won me bout $4000 that night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZC-Boston Posted June 14, 2006 Author Share Posted June 14, 2006 Sweet I started a debate on black jack theory. I'm a traditionalist and believe in playing by the book. It drives me nuts when others do not and will cause me to leave. Tell me it's your money all you want but when your dumbass hits a 16 against a 6 and gets a 10 and then I double down 11 and get a stupid 5 instead of the 10 that you stole, then it is my money.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 Sweet I started a debate on black jack theory. I'm a traditionalist and believe in playing by the book. It drives me nuts when others do not and will cause me to leave. Tell me it's your money all you want but when your dumbass hits a 16 against a 6 and gets a 10 and then I double down 11 and get a stupid 5 instead of the 10 that you stole, then it is my money.... 708166[/snapback] Which is the primary reason I like roulette better than blackjack. Nothing done by anyone else at the table will alter my bet. The Chinese are the absolute worst at blackjack because they are not aware other people are at the table with them. They have more money than common sense and will split 10s and double down on a 16 because they were born in the year of the !@#$ing muskrat and muskrat litters average sixteen per litter and that's double the amount of any other animal in China's animal birth kingdom so it only makes sense to double down on a sixteen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZC-Boston Posted June 14, 2006 Author Share Posted June 14, 2006 How very Asian of you. I would like to get paid for every time I've heard some Asian dude at the table yell "Surrender" because he didn't like his hand. "Sue-REN-Dah! Sue-REN-dah!" If you're going to surrender half your bet because you THINK you're going to lose, you really need to stop gambling. I hope, at least, you're at the $5 table. I don't mean that in a condescending manner, though that's probably how it reads. But "Surrender" and "Even Money" were created by Vegas for a reason. 707949[/snapback] By the way, this slipped through as one of the funnier comments on TBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac17 Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 How very Asian of you what about yelling "monkey" hoping for a face card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZC-Boston Posted July 28, 2006 Author Share Posted July 28, 2006 The day has come. At 8PM tonight I get on a plane and head to Sin City. Can't wait to gamble, booze, hit the WSOP, go to the titty bars, etc. Vegas Baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I think the basic idea is that while 8 vs. a 10 may not necessarily be a favorite, it has less of a negative expectation than 16; which you're going to lose with so often even when the dealer busts. Of course you're risking more $, but you might get lucky with a 3 and have a doubling opportunity on one of your splits, etc. Yeah, surrender adds a pretty cool aspect to the game as well. Of course, the dealer hits on soft 17 at some of those casinos, which isn't a good thing. 707924[/snapback] Hops where do you live in south florida? I am in davie. I know a guy with the same nickname and also has a friend named scotty. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeseburger in Paradise Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I'd tell you all about my trip, but it is all supposed to stay in Vegas (J/k, I've never been, but would like to bring my jeep down sometime and wheel it in the dessert) 707912[/snapback] Go to Tahoe (northern NV) instead and take your jeep on the Rubicon Trail. Very cool experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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