Dr. K Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 I saw that Peter King has made the Cowboys his early NFC Super Bowl pick. That got me thinking about Bledsoe's 2005 season, and wondering if she played any differently than he did in Buffalo, for better or worse. So I wasted some of my Memorial Day looking up his stats and breaking them down for the two halves of the season. In the first half of 2005, Bledsoe was the QB we saw in Buffalo in the first half of 2003: Attempts 244 Completions 156 Comp % 63.9 TD 13 INT 6 Sacks 20 Fumbles 10 In the second half of 2005, we had the classic Bledsoe fall-off, and the QB most of us were happy to see leave: Attempts 255 Completions 144 Comp % 56.4 TD 10 INT 11 Sacks 29 Fumbles 7 I suppose adding Tyrell Owens could help him out, but it ain't going to change a patter that has been established over his entire career. I do not see this quarterback taking The 'Boys to the Super Bowl. FYI
MrLocke Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 I completely agree. Many of my friends claimed the Bills made a mistake, but I always reminded them of his struggles down the streach. Were Oppossing defenses really stupid? Bledsoe is so easy to gameplan against. Blitz the middle of his o-line and force him to the outside. Bledsoe has had maybe 4 good seasons in his career. I forget who, but someone likened his career to vinnie testaverde's. I completely agree.
jarthur31 Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Wow. Making a rookie the starting QB was not a mistake? How did he outplay DB? Did Holcomb outplay DB? Wow.
MrLocke Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Wow. Making a rookie the starting QB was not a mistake? How did he outplay DB? Did Holcomb outplay DB? Wow. 699604[/snapback] I should have explained myself better. I find people to be so fickle. Bledsoe plays a few good games and people think he is a franchise quarterback. It is like it does not matter what he has done over his entire career. The Cowboys had the same record last year as the Bills did in Mularkey's first year. Parcells is a hell of a coach and Bledsoe couldn't even do as much as Quincy Carter in Parcells first season.
Max997 Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Peter King likes to go out on a limb every year with his picks, that way if it happens he can say he picked it and if it doesnt he can say he was taking a shot the Cowboys will be lucky to be make the playoffs next year. Seattle will probably have a down year because every super bowl loser seems to...Carolina is the best team in the NFC in my opinion...I fully expect the Eagles to have a bounce back year
Dr. K Posted May 29, 2006 Author Posted May 29, 2006 Wow. Making a rookie the starting QB was not a mistake? How did he outplay DB? Did Holcomb outplay DB? Wow. 699604[/snapback] Losman may not be the answer, but Bledsoe wasn't going to get any better. 49 sacks, 17 (!) fumbles, 17 interceptions in a "good" season for him. And in the second half of the season an overall QB rating of 72.1, inlcuding games rated 53, 42, and 36.
Bill from NYC Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 I should have explained myself better. I find people to be so fickle. Bledsoe plays a few good games and people think he is a franchise quarterback. It is like it does not matter what he has done over his entire career. The Cowboys had the same record last year as the Bills did in Mularkey's first year. Parcells is a hell of a coach and Bledsoe couldn't even do as much as Quincy Carter in Parcells first season. 699606[/snapback] OK, so Bledsoe is not a franchise QB? You forgot something.. You also forgot about the fact that Holcomb, and especially JP stunk up the football field last season. The cowboys fielded multiple rookies on defense in 05, and both of their OTs were lost to injury. They also played in the toughest and best coached division in football and managed to finish 9-7. I readily admit that Drew needs more protection than most qbs. He isn't mobile at all. I also admit that he was a poor fit in Buffalo, where we throw away draft picks for tiny little "skill" players instead of building a big, strong football team no matter who is calling the shots. That said, JP and Holcomb have a long way to go before they can make the claim of being a pimple on Drew's ass. Another try at the link.
MrLocke Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 OK, so Bledsoe is not a franchise QB? You forgot something.. You also forgot about the fact that Holcomb, and especially JP stunk up the football field last season. The cowboys fielded multiple rookies on defense in 05, and both of their OTs were lost to injury. They also played in the toughest and best coached division in football and managed to finish 9-7. I readily admit that Drew needs more protection than most qbs. He isn't mobile at all. I also admit that he was a poor fit in Buffalo, where we throw away draft picks for tiny little "skill" players instead of building a big, strong football team no matter who is calling the shots. That said, JP and Holcomb have a long way to go before they can make the claim of being a pimple on Drew's ass. Another try at the link. 699630[/snapback] I noticed you forgot the part where I comparred him to Vinny Testeverde. Bledsoe has a big arm and thats about it. Football is a team game. I don't care about individual records. SuperBowls are what counts in football. I know Drew has a SB ring, but that was Brady's team. When was the last time Drew led a team to the playoffs? Don't give me this BS about individual records. Were talking football, not golf or tennis.
Kelly the Dog Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 TO is going to help Bledsoe a ton, and he will likely put up very good numbers. But they will be from the same old Bledsoe, and they will be misleading, and they will be a tease. And it still was a good move for TD to jettison Drew.
Bill from NYC Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 TO is going to help Bledsoe a ton, and he will likely put up very good numbers. But they will be from the same old Bledsoe, and they will be misleading, and they will be a tease. And it still was a good move for TD to jettison Drew. 699656[/snapback] Yes. It was a good move to cut a proven qb and get nothing in return, and give away much needed draft picks to grab a high-fiving, hair flopping failure. We gave away a qb and draft picks to the same team to be where we are; a 5-11 team with a ton of safeties. And you are glad?
Fezmid Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 You know what I find funny? Anytime someone says something positive about DB, they're told to shutup, he doesn't play for the team, move on, along with some vulgar personal attacks. On the other hand, when someone wants to say something negative about the guy, that's fine. Hypocrites.
Kelly the Dog Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Yes. It was a good move to cut a proven qb and get nothing in return, and give away much needed draft picks to grab a high-fiving, hair flopping failure. We gave away a qb and draft picks to the same team to be where we are; a 5-11 team with a ton of safeties. And you are glad? 699658[/snapback] That Bledsoe is gone? Hell, yes. Would we have won a couple more games last year with him at the helm? Probably, but perhaps not. But we would probably be further away from being successful even if we did. Bledsoe took us as far as he could take us. The name of the game is to win the Super Bowl, not win 7 games instead of 5. He had his chance, three years in fact. And ultimately, he proved his naysayers right a lot more than his supporters, and I was one of his supporters.
Bill from NYC Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 I noticed you forgot the part where I comparred him to Vinny Testeverde. Bledsoe has a big arm and thats about it. Football is a team game. I don't care about individual records. SuperBowls are what counts in football. I know Drew has a SB ring, but that was Brady's team. When was the last time Drew led a team to the playoffs? Don't give me this BS about individual records. Were talking football, not golf or tennis. 699655[/snapback] OK, gotcha. Marino sucks too, right? JP is great. Let's move along to the next topic, shall we?
obie_wan Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 OK, gotcha. Marino sucks too, right? JP is great. Let's move along to the next topic, shall we? 699668[/snapback] It's not the stats with Drew. He will always put up great yardage numbers between the 20s It's the mental melt downs at the worst possble time. Lke last year, when he threw a pick for a TD in the lsat 5 minutes to personally cost them the game.
Bill from NYC Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 It's not the stats with Drew. He will always put up great yardage numbers between the 20s It's the mental melt downs at the worst possble time. Lke last year, when he threw a pick for a TD in the lsat 5 minutes to personally cost them the game. 699679[/snapback] I don't dispute what you say except for 2 quick points: 1) He DID lead a team to the superbowl. Does this count? 2) He is Joe Montana x 10 compared to what we have seen since his departure. My issue is not that Drew is the best qb ever. Of course he is not. I am making the case that getting rid of him was a stupid move when there was nobody good to replace him. I also qualified this by stating that Drew was a bad fit in Buffalo. Flutie was a good fit. He thrived on broken plays behind an inept line, whereas Drew would get killed. How will JP do? You tell me.
Dr. K Posted May 29, 2006 Author Posted May 29, 2006 OK, gotcha. Marino sucks too, right? JP is great. Let's move along to the next topic, shall we? 699668[/snapback] I'm sorry I raked up all this old stuff--it was not my intention. I do not understand, Bill, what this has to do with JP Losman. Losman may be the worst QB on the planet, but that does not improve Bledsoe's record. I was skeptical of Bledsoe when we got him, mostly because we hated Rob Johnson because he took too many sacks, and I figured Bledsoe would only take more. But I also was generally his supporter while he was here. My attitude about Bills players is that I want them to succeed, even if my judgment may not be the same as the coaching staff's. You seem to have an obsession with hating JP.
Bill from NYC Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 You seem to have an obsession with hating JP. 699687[/snapback] It is not JP, but the trade for him that I hated. Do you see the difference? I hated the trade because the Bills simply refuse to build a solid front wrt both lines. They were not in a position to give away picks for Losman. They were not in a position to pass on Steinbach and wait 20 games for MaGahee (a player I DO think is very good). They were not in a position to draft Parrish with their first selection, and they were not in a position to give away an early pick, while selecting 3 defensive backs with their first 4 picks. Don't get me wrong, I am unimpressed with JP, but the state of this football team is certainly not his fault. EDIT: I will be screaming in support for JP both at my house and at RWS. As Bills fans, we need him to be a good QB. I don't want the Bills to have to spend another 1st on a qb in 07. Then again, that might be a good thing if it will keep Marv from drafting another defensive back.
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted May 29, 2006 Posted May 29, 2006 Nothing about Bledsoe or Losman in paticular, just that I dont think we need any qb to be good. More so we need to develop a team around a qb so the team can be good. I dont really care who your qb is. Quaterbacks dont win games teams do. With that said The trade for losman was probably the worst move we could've made at the time, Giving away picks to acquire a real project at quaterback when we could've maybe drafted some linemen and a later rd qb possibly a charlie frye last year or Matt Schaub in 04, instead of banking on one player to turn things around from a football standpoint would've made a hell of a lot more sense. About Bledsoe the cowboys are a relativly young team at least defensivly, their wr core is aging but if their line stays healthy this year the cowboys have probably the best shot to unseat the giants in the nfc east. Bledsoe isn't perfect but once again Quaterbacks alone don't decide your outcome the team does.
MrLocke Posted May 30, 2006 Posted May 30, 2006 OK, gotcha. Marino sucks too, right? JP is great. Let's move along to the next topic, shall we? 699668[/snapback] Marino never seemed to buy into the team concept. Better for me to take a sack than to throw an incomplete pass was always Danny's mindset because it doesn't hurt his preciuos qb rating. Better for me to throw when teams were expecting the pass than to rush the ball for four or five yards. He wouldn't buy into Jimmy Johnson's way of doing things, even though Johnson has the rings and he doesn't. Do you think Danny boy would have a ring if he was more of a team player? The truly great QBs do both put up great numbers and win championships. For example, Elway and Montana. Rings or stats alone shouldn't make a qb. Lil' Abner er umm Terry Bradshaw has the rings, but I do not know many people who would put him in the same class as Elway or Montana. I noticed you only cited Drew's yardage. How do his other numbers stack up with the greats?
Dibs Posted May 30, 2006 Posted May 30, 2006 The truly great QBs do both put up great numbers and win championships. For example, Elway and Montana. 699707[/snapback] I totally agree with your "Rings or stats alone shouldn't make a qb." statement. Your line above I feel goes contrary to this & in my mind is incorrect. If you look at the first 10 years of Elways 16year career, you will find he does not have either the stats nor the SB rings. He was however still considered one of the all time greats. The greats will generally gravitate to success but obviously if they are on sub-par teams with sub-par coaching they might only be able to get so far...i.e. Elways 3 SB losses. When a QB continually does the extraordinary & elevates his team to victories etc, we know he is a great QB regardless of his stats. If it is his team that falters at the later hurdles(not him), I don't believe he should be considered less than great because of it. I suppose the point on JP vs Bledsoe to me is/was.... Bledsoe is not a great QB...this we know. JP may become one...this we do/did not know Always go with what you know....Bledsoe is not a great QB.
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