John from Riverside Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Last year with lack of inside DT pressure we had a lot of QB's feeling very comfortable in stepping up into the pocket to buy extra time.... I think that this year we are going to get a lot more pressure from our DT's......allowing an edge rusher like Schrobel a lot more opportunites for sacks.... JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Last year with lack of inside DT pressure we had a lot of QB's feeling very comfortable in stepping up into the pocket to buy extra time.... I think that this year we are going to get a lot more pressure from our DT's......allowing an edge rusher like Schrobel a lot more opportunites for sacks.... JMO 697897[/snapback] lets hope so. last year any QB could have sat back there at lunch and took a nap and still completed the pass. Schobel has to have another solid year for us to be competative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Personal changes?!? He didn't transgender did he?!?! If he did, every 4th Sunday he'd come off the edge like some raving, menstruating bich. I like it......I like it a lot!! Huh?...wha???.....OH!.....PERSONNEL changes......my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Last year with lack of inside DT pressure we had a lot of QB's feeling very comfortable in stepping up into the pocket to buy extra time.... I think that this year we are going to get a lot more pressure from our DT's......allowing an edge rusher like Schrobel a lot more opportunites for sacks.... JMO 697897[/snapback] As if his 12.0 sacks last year wasn't a good season? I'm amazed as to how many dismiss Schobel as a very good player even by Bills fans. I think Schobel's biggest problem isn't that he's an average player but he's a very good player who happens to be following a great, once in a lifetime franchise, player in Bruce Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 I really have no problem with aaron schobel he's a very good but not great player. He doesnt command the respect that guys like freeney, peppers, strahan, taylor rice etc command, but he's far from a slouch he's a borderline top tier de, who would benefit greatly if we had a true pass rusher opposite him or at least another source to generate pressure. We should get that from our dt's at least hypothetically, and it should free up schobel to give him more opportunities to rush the passer, and make plays in the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 As if his 12.0 sacks last year wasn't a good season? I'm amazed as to how many dismiss Schobel as a very good player even by Bills fans. I think Schobel's biggest problem isn't that he's an average player but he's a very good player who happens to be following a great, once in a lifetime franchise, player in Bruce Smith. 697993[/snapback] Schobel has tallied 40 sacks in the past 4 years. While those numbers don't put him in the Strahan, Taylor, Rice or Freeney class they're still pretty damn good (in fact Julius Peppers only has half a sack more than Schobel over that period). I doubt there are many players in the league that have as many sacks as Schobel over that span yet he is consistantly overlooked by everybody, including Bills fans. Schobel is no Bruce Smith but I'd say he's a top 10 DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Schobel is no Bruce Smith but I'd say he's a top 10 DE. 698022[/snapback] That's the point I was trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Schobel has tallied 40 sacks in the past 4 years. While those numbers don't put him in the Strahan, Taylor, Rice or Freeney class they're still pretty damn good (in fact Julius Peppers only has half a sack more than Schobel over that period). I doubt there are many players in the league that have as many sacks as Schobel over that span yet he is consistantly overlooked by everybody, including Bills fans. Schobel is no Bruce Smith but I'd say he's a top 10 DE. 698022[/snapback] Maybe his stats lie a bit (what's that saying? "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics"). Schobel doesn't appear to be a game-changer, the way guys like Freeney and Peppers are. I wonder how Schobel compares with those guys in hurries, knockdowns, pressures, and FF. I wonder if Schobel sees as many double teams as those guys, freeing up other d-linemen. I wonder if his sacks come in small bunches and then he disappears for stretches. To the naked eye, Schobel doesn't look like a 12 sack guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 John, You have been doing this for years and I have been correcting you for years. It's SCHOBEL. There's no 'R' in his name dammit!!!!!!!! Whew had to get that off my chest. Thank you Last year with lack of inside DT pressure we had a lot of QB's feeling very comfortable in stepping up into the pocket to buy extra time.... I think that this year we are going to get a lot more pressure from our DT's......allowing an edge rusher like Schrobel a lot more opportunites for sacks.... JMO 697897[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 25, 2006 Author Share Posted May 25, 2006 Dammit Dawg you know I cant type or spell worth a crap... The point isn't to downgrade Aarons accomplishments so far but to say that he may have his best year yet this upcoming season.... Edge rushers get ridden out of plays when there is not interior pressure because the QB steps in under Guard/Center and the Tackle rides the edge rusher upfield...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Maybe his stats lie a bit (what's that saying? "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics"). Schobel doesn't appear to be a game-changer, the way guys like Freeney and Peppers are. I wonder how Schobel compares with those guys in hurries, knockdowns, pressures, and FF. I wonder if Schobel sees as many double teams as those guys, freeing up other d-linemen. I wonder if his sacks come in small bunches and then he disappears for stretches. To the naked eye, Schobel doesn't look like a 12 sack guy. 698034[/snapback] I agree that pressures are far more important than sacks but sadly there are no "official" pressure stats. The teams keep them and they tend to pad the stats of their stars. As for Schobel's sacks coming in bunches that's generally how most guys tally them, you just don't watch every single game that Freeney or Peppers play. My brother is a Indy fan and his main complaint about Freeney? It's that he's streaky and disappears for stretches. There is no way for any DE to be dominating all the time though the great ones do tend to make big plays at big moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBills#1 Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Schobel is a good DE and is above average, but he is no where close to being a bonafide top 10 DE. Players like Freeney and Peppers get double teamed every single play, and sometimes even tripple teamed. Schobel on the other had rarely gets double teamed and when he does he just runs himself out of the play. I like Schobel alot though, and if he ever develops an inside move to go along with his outside rush he could end up being a number 1 DE. Right now however, I see him as one of the top #2 DE's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Last year with lack of inside DT pressure we had a lot of QB's feeling very comfortable in stepping up into the pocket to buy extra time.... I think that this year we are going to get a lot more pressure from our DT's......allowing an edge rusher like Schrobel a lot more opportunites for sacks.... JMO 697897[/snapback] I hope so but I doubt it unless we can stop the run from the front four and little help from the backers. BTW, people seem to forget who those big name DE's have on that line with them. I know for a fact these guys are not beating double teams constantly and putting up those numbers. They have help from the other side or a stud DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 As if his 12.0 sacks last year wasn't a good season? I'm amazed as to how many dismiss Schobel as a very good player even by Bills fans. I think Schobel's biggest problem isn't that he's an average player but he's a very good player who happens to be following a great, once in a lifetime franchise, player in Bruce Smith. 697993[/snapback] I agree....I think that he gets no respect because he is a "white high motor" guy.... ...seriously though....he does get inflated numbers for "beating down" the weak links but hell......why not do that.....personally, I love his play and look for more out of him this year!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Maybe his stats lie a bit (what's that saying? "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics"). Schobel doesn't appear to be a game-changer, the way guys like Freeney and Peppers are. I wonder how Schobel compares with those guys in hurries, knockdowns, pressures, and FF. I wonder if Schobel sees as many double teams as those guys, freeing up other d-linemen. I wonder if his sacks come in small bunches and then he disappears for stretches. To the naked eye, Schobel doesn't look like a 12 sack guy. 698034[/snapback] One of the reasons which I think plays into Schobel not looking like a 12 sack guy and not beng feared as a pass rusher is that actually in the zone blitz scheme as Jerry Grau designed and ran it the last three years, Schobel was actually not called upon to pressure the QB at all in many passing situations. The zone blitz worked because the OL did not know whether the blitzers would be the traditional folks on the DL or whether there might be an unexpected blitz from an LB or safety. The zone blitz compensated for the hole left by one of these blitzers by actually having the DEs drop back into short zone pass coverage or in Schobel's case due adding to his athleticism by shedding a few lbs, these past three years he would even do man to man coverage on the TE or cover the medium zone. I actually was most impressed with his registering 12 sacks by the fact this was not the typical RDE role of rush, rush, eush in passing situations. I suspect he will be credited with having a much better year if his sack #s merely go up because he is pressuring the passer more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Schobel was a great draft pick by TD, and extending him was an even better move. He is probably the player that the Bills can least afford to lose this year if we are to even approach respectability. When he first came up, the better OTs used to push him around, but this is no longer the case. He has registered sacks against some of the best LTs in football. AS IS a top ten DE in this league. While he does lack size, he has pure speed, and is able to pursue. Because of his speed, he is a hard hitter as well. He is also clearly stronger than he was a few years ago. A top ten DE? Again, I think so, and for a bargain price as DEs go. Jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Schobel was a great draft pick by TD, and extending him was an even better move. He is probably the player that the Bills can least afford to lose this year if we are to even approach respectability. When he first came up, the better OTs used to push him around, but this is no longer the case. He has registered sacks against some of the best LTs in football. AS IS a top ten DE in this league. While he does lack size, he has pure speed, and is able to pursue. Because of his speed, he is a hard hitter as well. He is also clearly stronger than he was a few years ago. A top ten DE? Again, I think so, and for a bargain price as DEs go. Jmo. 698280[/snapback] I'm actually curious whether Schobel will actually attempt to put on a little additional weight the is off-season as the switch to the Cover 2 from the zone blitz will actually reduce the need for him to be lmore manuverable and the lighter weight which sometime come with this. My understanding is that Schobel shed 5-10 pounds from his rookie season as the move to the LeBeau and then the Hray zone blitz demanded greater athleticism from him as he at first played the short zone in pass coverage (allowing TKO and Fletch to blitz more ) but he actually improved his body and play even more that by 2005 he was comfortable playing some man to man against releasing RBs and TEs. He did a great job at this body sculpting IMHO as he managed to cut weight while also increasing his resilience against the run as he learned how to get and use leverage on OL plauers. He eve improved his sack game (as seen in the increase in sack stats by developing additional moves he was comfortable with to beat a block and rush the passer. It will be interesting to see if his weight now goes up as his pass coverage duties will drop and his pressure the QB and run stopping duties increase in the Cover 2. As I think run stopping will still not be his primary responsibility in the Cover 2, it still might make sense for his weight to increase, but speed and explosiveness will be a key to the rush in the Cover (or likely the Tampa) 2. Yf any additional weight is simply bulk and blubber, it might make him harder to move on run plays. Hpwever, in the best worlds it will be extra weight from extra muscle which should allow him to pressure the QB still while also being a bigger more difficult load to move out of the way on rushes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Schobel was a great draft pick by TD, and extending him was an even better move. He is probably the player that the Bills can least afford to lose this year if we are to even approach respectability. When he first came up, the better OTs used to push him around, but this is no longer the case. He has registered sacks against some of the best LTs in football. AS IS a top ten DE in this league. While he does lack size, he has pure speed, and is able to pursue. Because of his speed, he is a hard hitter as well. He is also clearly stronger than he was a few years ago. A top ten DE? Again, I think so, and for a bargain price as DEs go. Jmo. 698280[/snapback] Nice post, I agree. I was very skeptical about extending or re-signing anyone after the wretched 2003 season, but Schobel sure proved me wrong... one of TD's finer moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven in MD Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Schobel = Hansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alg Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Schobel = Hansen 698477[/snapback] I consider that a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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