TheMadCap Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/200...ce-scores_x.htm This study suggests improvement in the overall test scores for grade school age kids. But is it because the bar is being lowered or elevated? Anyone here know anything about these so called tests that can weigh in? IMO, science will never be elevated in the minds of people in this county until kids that are good in math and science are not labeled as "nerds" and as long as we place more value in athletics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 If you want a gauranteed job, be paid well, and be useful--go into the sciences. Never met a starving engineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted May 26, 2006 Author Share Posted May 26, 2006 If you want a gauranteed job, be paid well, and be useful--go into the sciences. Never met a starving engineer. 697809[/snapback] Interesting point. At my company, engineers are priced and valued twice what a chemist is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Interesting point. At my company, engineers are priced and valued twice what a chemist is... 698522[/snapback] What are the Sociology majors priced at? I bet scrubbing the toilets in the engineers/chemist's bathroom gives them a great understanding of income inequity between the haves and the have not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 What are the Sociology majors priced at? I bet scrubbing the toilets in the engineers/chemist's bathroom gives them a great understanding of income inequity between the haves and the have not 698562[/snapback] We all make choices. Get an easy degree in something that really has no marketable benefit and you live with the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted May 26, 2006 Author Share Posted May 26, 2006 We all make choices. Get an easy degree in something that really has no marketable benefit and you live with the decision. 698595[/snapback] It's all relative. I studied my fuggin @zzhole off in school to get my degrees. My buddies all partied and blew off class. They were business majors. They all make much more than I do at this point. Difference is, I can get a job pretty much anywhere. Guys in thier position are lucky to have jobs, can be downsized at anytime, and have saturated the market... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/200...ce-scores_x.htm This study suggests improvement in the overall test scores for grade school age kids. But is it because the bar is being lowered or elevated? Anyone here know anything about these so called tests that can weigh in? IMO, science will never be elevated in the minds of people in this county until kids that are good in math and science are not labeled as "nerds" and as long as we place more value in athletics... 697110[/snapback] I think the solution to this problem is to teach Intelligent Design... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 It's all relative. I studied my fuggin @zzhole off in school to get my degrees. My buddies all partied and blew off class. They were business majors. They all make much more than I do at this point. Difference is, I can get a job pretty much anywhere. Guys in thier position are lucky to have jobs, can be downsized at anytime, and have saturated the market... 698757[/snapback] Depends where. A lot of guys I went to high school with ended up in engineering and found jobs in the US. Actually one of my good friends found a job in North Dakota and is getting paid very well. On the other hand, those who majored in business and finance are able to stay in their current location and get paid rather well. I don't know why anyone would wanna move to North Dakota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 A lot of guys I went to high school with ended up in engineering and found jobs in the US. . 698797[/snapback] Illegal aliens? Course, that's an Oxymoron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Illegal aliens? Course, that's an Oxymoron. 698812[/snapback] What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 What are you talking about? 698814[/snapback] Slow tonight? After "Illegal aliens?" there is a question mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Slow tonight? After "Illegal aliens?" there is a question mark. 698816[/snapback] Get out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Get out! 698818[/snapback] Naaaa, I passed the drivers exam, I'm good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 Naaaa, I passed the drivers exam, I'm good. 698824[/snapback] How did you ever get that accomplished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 How did you ever get that accomplished 698845[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet baboo Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 Interesting point. At my company, engineers are priced and valued twice what a chemist is... 698522[/snapback] is your company hiring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted May 27, 2006 Author Share Posted May 27, 2006 is your company hiring? 699093[/snapback] PMed you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmet_hair Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Funny, I didn’t think the US teaches math and science anymore, thought it was outsourced to India and China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Funny, I didn’t think the US teaches math and science anymore, thought it was outsourced to India and China? 699542[/snapback] So to will those nicely paid engineers... Then and only then all will start to pitch a B word... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 So to will those nicely paid engineers... Then and only then all will start to pitch a B word... 699553[/snapback] As this thread has been hijacked big time, I might as well go with the flow. The outsourcing boom is not actually a terrible thing. Most of the work that gets done there would not be done by the US companies AT ALL if they were priced with local US labor. I think our day-to-day life is much better off as our companies are getting a lot more done with less resources. So you are more likely to get a human voice quicker when you dial a customer service number; your websites will be upgraded and featured faster etc. Conceivably, several years from now, wages in these countries will catch up those in Western countries and work will begin to get done locally again. It may take a while but it is very likely to happen. Second point is that in oil and gas construction companies in the US, there are engineering, drafting, estimating etc. positions going unfilled as there is a shortage of qualified people here in the US !!! Where did they all go ? They retired early or were downsized and left the profession in the mid to late 90s. So the current shortage is the fault of both employers who were quick to axe and of the student advisors who advised prospective students to not enter the technical (read: engineering) profession. A large outflow and reduced inflow resulted in a shrinking engineering labor pool. So if you want to not fall short of electricity in summer of 2007, how will the construction company build a power plant ? Get engineering design done in India/China and build it in time to avoid problems. Bottomline, everybody reaps what they sow. Hope I did not make this confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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